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Title: what does this occupation say??
Post by: truebritmega on Sunday 12 September 10 15:59 BST (UK)
Hi there, this one is from the 1851 census for Joseph Smallwood, I can see its a something... maker, but whats the something? lol

 Piece: 2023; Folio: 478; Page: 44
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 12 September 10 16:01 BST (UK)
Ladies slipper maker  ;D
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: truebritmega on Sunday 12 September 10 16:04 BST (UK)
Oh well done Carol!! LOL id not have guessed that in a million years!!... ty Carol lol
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: janan on Sunday 12 September 10 16:04 BST (UK)
I'd got the Slipper bit but could not work out the first word - I agree with Carole it is Ladies

Jan
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: truebritmega on Sunday 12 September 10 16:46 BST (UK)
hmmm got a query here now tho lol.. I agree with Ladies slipper maker, but one thing I just found has thrown doubt lol... His son, John Smallwood(only just found him) is in the 1881 census as "Ladies Stirrup Maker"... and as its a walsall family (walsall is famous for its leather, saddlery etc...) ??

Piece: 2828; Folio: 14; Page: 22 << 1881
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 12 September 10 17:06 BST (UK)
I don't think it is Ladies Stirrup Maker. 

Stan
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: Hackstaple on Sunday 12 September 10 17:21 BST (UK)
It would be very hard to make that read as "stirrup".
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 12 September 10 17:29 BST (UK)
There is an Iron Stirrup Maker at the previous address. If John Smallwood was a stirrup maker I don't think he would just specialise in those for women. Do women have different stirrups? Not according to http://www.britishsaddlery.co.uk/stirrups.html unless side saddle ones were different

Stan
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: Hackstaple on Sunday 12 September 10 17:40 BST (UK)
Joseph Smallwood in 1841 is also shown as an iron stirrup maker. Stan is right, a stirrup is a stirrup. the length is adjusted by the saddlery. I suppose that a man with a very large boot would have wider stirrups.

I think the 1851 census was something the enumerator misheard.
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 12 September 10 19:24 BST (UK)
There is an illustration of a side saddle stirrup at http://www.sportingcollection.com/stirrups/stirrup078/stirrup078.html


Stan
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: truebritmega on Sunday 12 September 10 23:08 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone, I really appreciate it :)
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: janan on Monday 13 September 10 14:00 BST (UK)
Quote from: stanmapstone on Sunday 12 September 10 19:24 BST (UK)
There is an illustration of a side saddle stirrup at http://www.sportingcollection.com/stirrups/stirrup078/stirrup078.html


Stan

And I notice some of the side saddle stirrups are called slipper stirrups, these began to be replaced by safety stirrups c1850

http://www.greenacres-stud.com/sidesaddle.htm

Fascinating stuff - it is amazing what you learn  :D

Jan ;)

Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: truebritmega on Monday 13 September 10 14:26 BST (UK)
I wonder then... if it is a slipper-stirrup... for I was jsut generally ssearchign the smallwoods and found this in connection with the walsall leather museum..

Smallwood, James Devonshire slipper maker Newport Street
Smallwood, John Devonshire slipper maker Freer Street
Smallwood, Joseph Collarmaker Caldmore Place

what on earth is a "devonshire" slipper? lol

And the Joseph smallwood entry on the 1841 census definitely says "Devonshire" as first word of his occupation... and the other word does look again, like stirrup

Piece 983 Folio: 9; Page: 9

Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: truebritmega on Monday 13 September 10 14:28 BST (UK)
googling it, i see mentions of devonshire stirrup boots... I think... there like a leather  foot... within, attached.. to the iron stirrup?
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: truebritmega on Monday 13 September 10 14:30 BST (UK)
yup Janjan.. your right:) that seems to be the thing.. and yup, fascinating what you learn lol
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: janeyanne on Thursday 30 September 10 00:35 BST (UK)
 this is why i love coming on rootschat,   there is always something i have missed first time around n even 2nd now n again.
Title: Re: what does this occupation say??
Post by: truebritmega on Thursday 30 September 10 00:41 BST (UK)
LOL glad you liked the thread :)