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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: sarah kelly on Saturday 11 September 10 22:59 BST (UK)
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Hi, I have just started researching the hoare family line.....they were all born and lived around the deptford, new cross area in SE london...they were strong baptise...and all attend church regularly....the head of the family wasin the army in south africa in ww1......any help please.
sarah kelly
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The 1901 census alone has 1,648 entries for that surname in London and you haven't mentioned any christian names so without more detailed information we have no way of determining the right entry
We need full names and birthyears (but not of any living persons)
If any were born and still alive pre-1911 - you can look them up on the 1911 census at http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx which is a paysite
Births/Marriages and Deaths can be looked up on www.freebmd.org.uk
If any were born pre-1881 - the 1881 census is free at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
The IGI is a good source for baptisms/christenings and is also free at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
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thanks.....it was quite a large family....siblings are as follows..bessie, elizabeth, florence, charles, joesph, ivy, winifred, william.....my grandmother was bessie, I have her marriage certs and I have a few addresses..
sarah kelly
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And they were born when? See my reply above
We need full names and birthyears (but not of any living persons)
We also need to know their parents names and when they married
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sorry,they have all died, my grandmothe died in 1968...aged 62....as for the others I have no idea when they were born or died....only the area
sarah k...
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Hi Sarah
As Carole says difficult to help without more information. I think you may have more than you realise.
.my grandmother was bessie, I have her marriage certs and I have a few addresses..
So was she Bessie Hoare born 1906? If so you should be able to find her birth in Freebmd. Her marriage certificate probably gives her father's name and occupation, so you can look for him in the 1911 and 1901 and gradually trace him back in censuses until you find him with his parents. If you can then find their marriage that takes you back another generation.
Jan
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It might be worth you contacting John Hoare, his branch of the Hoare family used to live in Deptford.
His Great Grandfather Edward Hoare used to be the landlord of the Railway Tavern in Deptford 1870’s to 1880’s. That pub was knocked down in the 1970’s.
It might just be geographic coincidence that two separate families named Hoare lived in Deptford or there may be a connection.
John has put a lot of work in and we both trace our Hoare ancestors back to the village of Chiddingstone in Kent around 1750.
He maintains a website with a section on Hoare genealogy here.
http://www.johnh.co.uk/history/railwaytavern.htm
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Many thanks for that.....will follow up lead....fingers crossed... sarah
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Hi Sarah - I think this is the family in 1901
RG 13/ 568/123/2
Cambridge Barracks, Frances St, Woolwich
Eliza Hoare wife 24 wife of Sgt Hoare 3rd Mddx Regiment St Georges London
Lillian Hoare dau 5 Camberwell
Elizabeth Hoare dau 4 Kensington
Rose Hoare dau 2 Stepney
Joseph Hoare son 4 mths Woolwich
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RG 13/307/153/21
St Botolph (Without) Aldgate
Joseph Hoare 34 Sergeant 4th Battalion Middlesex Reg Knightbridge Mddx
So he must have been on duty that night. ;D ;D
Jan
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Here's the marriage from Freebmd
June quarter 1894 Poplar 1C 821
Joseph Hoare
Eliza Jane Mitchell
If you send for that it will give you both their fathers' names and you should be able to work back from there. If you get stuck just ask.
Good luck
Jan
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Here's the marriage from Freebmd
June quarter 1894 Poplar 1C 821
Joseph Hoare
Eliza Jane Mitchell
If you send for that it will give you both their fathers' names and you should be able to work back from there. If you get stuck just ask.
Good luck
Jan
The marriage was on 14 May 1894 at All Saints, Poplar. The fathers were Alfred Hoare (D), linguist and James Mitchell, stevadore. Joseph is indicated as being aged 27, a Sergeant in the 2nd Middlesex, at Hounslow, at the time. Eliza Jane was aged 18.
Nigel
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Hi, I have just started researching the hoare family line.....they were all born and lived around the deptford, new cross area in SE london...they were strong baptise...and all attend church regularly....the head of the family wasin the army in south africa in ww1......any help please.
sarah kelly
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Hi, just seen your notes about your grandmother Bessie and I am the granddaughter of her sister Elizabeth. I have a list of all the children and most of their dates of birth. There were 12 children in total but only 9 survived. I remember visiting your grandmother in New Cross with my Nan and also visited her when she moved to Gravesend. Pauline
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Hi, how wonderful. I am arnie santons daughter....bessies granddaughter....I know very little about the hoares as bessie died when I was about 2,,, so sadly we never met...
hope to hear from you
kind regards sarah...
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Well, I remember your Dad and is your Mum's name Marion? I think they lived in Meopham. Has your Dad given you much information? Anything I can help you with let me know. All of the brothers and sisters in the Hoare family are now no longer with us and even some of their children. Do you have a brother? My Mum and Dad's names were Jack & Violet and I also have a brother John. Violet was Elizabeth's daughter. x
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Hi, yes that is them.....Dad is sadly no longer with us he died in 1995...aged 57...he had a stroke 5 yrs before....Mum is still very much with us 71 and still going strong...she hasnt changed..probably since u last remember her...
I have a brother and sister...Mark who has 2 children Lucy and Maddie and Julie both younger than me...42 and 35 respectively...
Do u remebber Hubert Moby...DIck... dad brother.. he is 80 this year and still very active...
look at my tree to get cert info...
speak soon sarah kelly nee santon.
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Hi, yes that is them.....Dad is sadly no longer with us he died in 1995...aged 57...he had a stroke 5 yrs before....Mum is still very much with us 71 and still going strong...she hasnt changed..probably since u last remember her...
I have a brother and sister...Mark who has 2 children Lucy and Maddie and Julie both younger than me...42 and 35 respectively...
Do u remebber Hubert Moby...DIck... dad brother.. he is 80 this year and still very active...
look at my tree to get cert info...
speak soon sarah kelly nee santon.
Hi, I have just started researching the hoare family line.....they were all born and lived around the deptford, new cross area in SE london...they were strong baptise...and all attend church regularly....the head of the family wasin the army in south africa in ww1......any help please.
sarah kelly
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Hi Sarah
As I came upon this website by accident not sure how to get into your tree. However, I have all the info on brothers and sisters but would like to know more about Joseph and Eliza Hoare. I know that Joseph was a Regimental Sergeant Major and, I think, an only child. I do not know how many siblings Eliza had. As regards your uncle I am afraid I do not remember him at all. You mum most probably will remember my brother more than me as they are nearer in age, I will be 65 this year. So sorry to hear about your Dad - he was young when he died and that seemed to happen to a lot of the Hoare family. Pauline
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hi, my tree is on ancestry...and is open to any one...My uncle Dick had a visit from a cousin...winifred I think...she is also doing the family tree...and she is on ancesrty...
Dick Moby is from bessies first marriage..dick father died young and she then married my grandfather harold santon...this might help...
I will give u my phone number (*)...
sarah.
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Sarah - I think you should remove your phone number as this can be seen by anyone on the web and you are liable to be bombarded by all sorts of people.
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Hi Sarah
You phone number was removed so that was more sensible. I keep in contact with Winifred, albeit only now and again, and I will look on ancestry to see what I can find. I am on there also. Any info I can give you let me know. Pauline
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hi, my tree is on ancestry...and is open to any one...My uncle Dick had a visit from a cousin...winifred I think...she is also doing the family tree...and she is on ancesrty...
Dick Moby is from bessies first marriage..dick father died young and she then married my grandfather harold santon...this might help...
I will give u my phone number (*)...
sarah.
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