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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: BanffAnnie on Thursday 09 September 10 23:16 BST (UK)
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Researching John Carney, born 1859, married to Mary Ann Rippingham. Police Constable / Sargent in London approx 1880 to 1905, then publican.
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Hi BanffAnnie ;D
What specifically are you looking for - and what do you already have (census, BDMs etc) , so we don't duplicate what's already done?
Cheers
AMBLY
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I know his marriage, children, censuses including 1911, dates joined and left police force. I don't have his date of death, or for his wife. Interested to know if any other descendents are researching him.
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I looked up the 1901 Census where they are in the Brentford district.
Is this his death?
DEATH - FreeBMD
John CARNEY age 68, Mar Qtr 1927 Brentford
PROBATE: Index of Wills and Admins, England & Wales
John CARNEY of 9 Julian Road, Ealing Middlesex
Died 25 Jan 1927
Probate London 13 April 1927 to William Peter CARNEY inspector
Effects: GBP 217. 1s. 4d
They have among their children in 1901, son named William Peter CARNEY
Cheers
AMBLY
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This is very helpful. Yes, I think this might be him. His son, William Peter, is my grandfather and was a gas inspector. Seems too much of a coincidence. WP also took on the guardianship of one of his brother's chidlren (following both parents deaths) in 1925. The original intended guardians were WP's parents, John and his wife. If John died in 1925 this would explain why that didn't happen. Thank you so much. Where did you access this information?
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I have just come across this which conflicts with what you found.
3 January 1925
Death John CARNEY of 6 Bushwood Road, Kew, Surrey, died 3 January 1925. Administration limited to William Peter Carney, assistant gas inspector company. Effects £212.8s
The 1925 date fits better with WP becoming guardian in 1925. 1927 is too late.
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Hi
The only death that I can see on FreeBMD to fit the 1925 Probate is one registered Mar Qtr in Richmond Surrey - John CARNEY age 41.
So the 1925 death is William Peter's brother, John?
And the 1927 death is their father, John?
With the Probate Index details of both deaths supported by the FreeBMD date of registration and recorded age at death.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Of course! You are so clever! Why didn't I think of that! You are totoally right and this all fits. Two William Peter's being involved was too specific. Yes, his brother died in 1925, and so his father later in 1927. THANK YOU!
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You're welcome ;D
I tried to work out Mary Ann too, but couldn't find a death to fit ???
Cheers
AMBLY
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She is tricky. There was chat that she ended up in a loony bin. After 17 kids (and 7 infant deaths) I am not surprised! I am intrigued as to why you get involved in others searches?
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;D I call it the "Hercule Poirot Syndrome". Or Miss Marple! I just really love the fun of detectiving - and plus I get to learn a lot of history and of places I otherwise never would have come across.
Most facinating is seeing & feeling both the ordinary & extraordinary lives of ordinary people unfolding. That everyone has a story to tell ;D Puts our world in perspective too, to know a lot of the 'basic' life dramas we go through have been happening for hundreds of years.
Yes, I often wonder how it was in those days - how mothers coped - to have so many children and so many deaths of little ones. I was looking at a page of deaths in a Canada index the other day - of 12 consecqutive recorded deaths, 8 were infants or stillborn.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Well I might have some more mysteries 8) you could help me clear up! I am relatively new to this. :P
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Fire away ! Post lots of topics and that keep us Poirots and Marples happy, lots of us on Rootschat ;D We have a way of sniffing out the real mystery topics to get stuck into.
We all started off new; a good lot of what I've learned and still am learning, has been from being a Rootschatter !
Cheers
AMBLY