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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Kent => England => Kent Lookup Requests => Topic started by: peterfelgate on Thursday 09 September 10 13:52 BST (UK)
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I am seeking the baptism of a William (John) DALEY born circa 1854/5, Woolwich. Census and other records have the surname variously as Daley, Daly or even Dalle, then of course there is Daily or Dailey or Dayley or even Dayleigh!
William's father was Michael (John) Daley and his mother Mary (Ann), surname unknown; both parents are highly likely to have come from Ireland.
There is a William Dale born Greenwich Sep Qtr 1855 according to freeBMD, but I have spent a **LOT** on incorrect GRO certificates lately so am reluctant to buy another one; and I wouldn't mind some kind soul seeing if they could find a possible Woolwich baptism with the right parent's name!
Thanks.
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I have found your 'wrong' one, with parents John & Sophia.
Still looking.
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Have you considered that they could have been non comformists?
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I've checked the available parish records on Ancestry. The Familysearch pilot, the BMD Non - conformists, and the IGI.
No luck I'm afraid.
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Hi Peter
Have you found William John in all the census ie. 1861+? Is John his second name or a name he sometimes used for his forename? Similarly the forenames for his parents ........... are the ones in brackets second names or alternative forenames? What is the source for the names of the parents?
Casalguidi :)
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William, 7, is living with his parents "Micle Dalle" (sic!) and Mary, and sister Ellen,4, , in Moulsham, Chelmsford, in the 1861 census. "Micle" is described as "Hawker" and is shown as "Mirle" in one of the sites I use to search the census records. No wonder it took ages to track the family down, especially as they were in a lodging house, and so Micle is shown as "lodger" with Mary as "wife", and hence all searches for "head" or "husband" were in vain - I learned a valuable lesson through that to not make assumptions when searching...
William, with sister Ellen and Mother Mary Ann ("Hawker's wife) is living in Gt Baddow near Chelmsford in the 1871 census aged 17, "born Woolwich"; Ellen is "born Bishops Stortford" aged 14 matching a freebmd entry - I am waiting for this certificate to arrive to see if it is the right Ellen. Michael is not with them and Mary Ann is described as "Married" and not as "Widow". I have yet to trace Michael from then until 1901, and Mary from 1871 on.
I have the marriage certificates for William John Daley's two marriages in 1873 and later (to two sisters after the first died; they went to Islington for this almost clandestine second marriage as it is against CoE teaching to marry your dead wife's sister...) and BOTH certificates show his father as "Michael John Daley", first as "pedlar" then as "labourer". I can trace William through the 1881 to 1911 censuses; in all cases apart from the 1861 mentioned census he is "born Woolwich", though the 1861 census has all the family "born Ireland" - I am waiting on the certificate on the Ellen of Bishop's Stortford to see if that is in error for at least her!
I believe Michael John Daley was in a workhouse in the 1901 census and MAY be the Michael John Daley who died in Chelmsford 1903 "aged 90".
After his second wife died in 1911, William married the local barmaid, "Trixie" (shown as "Swissie" in the civil records!); I met her once as an old lady in her nineties....
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PS Many thanks to all who have replied so far!
Regarding non-conformists, there is a chance of that, though William certainly married in an Anglican church - twice!
There's also a good chance William may have been born in Ireland nad have covered this up either unknowingly or deliberatley, though I am waiting to find out if Ellen was born in Bishop's Stortford or not...
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Regarding the bracketted names, they are known middle names, not alternative first names (as far as I know); and are mainly from the two marriage certificates and census returns for William; and from the father's name on the two marriage certificates for Michael. Mary is Mary Ann in the 1871 census return but just Mary in the 1861 one. Apologies that that was not clear!
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I have found your 'wrong' one, with parents John & Sophia.
Still looking.
Thanks, that is helpful as it eliminates one possibility - though unfortunately I may be facing a dead end as a result.
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PS Many thanks to all who have replied so far!
Regarding non-conformists, there is a chance of that, though William certainly married in an Anglican church - twice!
Certainly all my con-conformists came from the Chelmsford area, by co-incidence!
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I have Michael John Daley's death certificate now showing he died in the Union Workhouse in 1903, occupation "formerly a Hawker of Chelmsford", so I believe this is William John's father; Michael was also in the workhouse in the 1901 census of Chelmsford.
As a further favour, can anyone look up the marriage corresponding to the December quarter 1852 civil registration of a marriage somewhere in Greenwich (Greenwich 1d 857) of Michael John Daley? It is to either Ellen Jeffries or Mary Ann Plummer; if the latter this COULD be William's parents' marriage.
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Again - not on some of the parish records.
Non conformists???
Looks like you may have to buy the certificate.
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You could try contacting St Peter's Roman Catholic church in Woolwich .......... they may well have been RC if baptisms can't be found ............ they should know where the baptisms/marriages are if they survive :-\
http://www.greenwich-church.net/churches/St._Peter_the_Apostle_073.htm
Casalguidi :)
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You could try contacting St Peter's Roman Catholic church in Woolwich .......... they may well have been RC if baptisms can't be found ............ they should know where the baptisms/marriages are if they survive :-\
http://www.greenwich-church.net/churches/St._Peter_the_Apostle_073.htm
Casalguidi :)
Thanks for that. As my family and that of my wife are largely CofE (with a short period of being Independent on one side) I have never encountered the need to use Roman Catholic records before 8-)
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I have just found out that Michael states he was born in Roscommon so the chances are he was a Roman Catholic....
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There is a record of a Michael Daly baptised in Roscommon in 1819, but without looking, you cannot be sure whether he is Catholic or Church of Ireland
www.rootsireland.ie
(I have a 'Daly' friend whose family originated from Roscommon!!)
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I have spotted a William DACEY birth in Greenwich in the September quarter for 1853; can anyone see if this is any of the local parish registers, and if it is DACEY or DALEY? Again, I know the family were in Bishop Stortford by 1856...
UOPDATE - forget it - there's a WIlliam Dacey aged 8 still in the are in the 1861 census!