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Does anyone have any information on William Coatsworth (possible spellings Cocksworth, Cortsworth or Colesworth) born in Kent around 1772 and transported for life on the Calcutta in 1802/3/4?
I have found his details in Marjory Tipping's wonderful book "Convicts Unbound" in the British Library, but no record is found of him after the 1811 Muster of convicts in Hobart Town.
Did he die, marry or have children? Or did he get back to England? Does anyone in Tasmania have the surname Coatsworth today?
My grandmother was a Coatsworth and I'd love to find out more about this man.
Molly Turner
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This may or may not be helpful.
On the Tasmanian Family Links site there is a Mary Coatsworth b 1830.
Married, 8 Nov 1852 to Michal DUNN, registered in Hobart, #432
One child is recorded - Thomas DUNN b 1856.
Seems to be the only Coatsworth in the Tasmanian on-line records (unfortunately Tasmanian BMDs are not on-line). There is also a Coatsworth family around Wycheproof in Victoria but in the second half of the 19th century so too late for your man but perhaps descendants as the name seem uncommon. I don't have access to Victorian BMDS but other R'chatter do so maybe someone else can have a look for you.
Judith
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Thanks for that, Judith.
Any descendants of the Dunn family out there? A long shot, but you never know!
Molly
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This would be him ;)
William Cortsworth, arrival 1st Jan 1804 on board Calcutta, departed 24th April 1803 from Portsmouth.
Convict number 15110. Reference - (you may be able to request)
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=C&id=15110
Reference to Con22/1/1 page 155
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/default.aspx?detail=1&type=I&id=CON22/1/1
He is listed as William COALSWORTH alias William CORTSWORTH, vessel Calcutta
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~austas/convictsC.htm
He has also been recorded as William COTSWORTH, Trial in Kent 15/3/1803 - sentenced for Life.
In particular the vessel the Calcutta
Calcutta 1803 - Prisoners landed at Port Phillip, later moved to Van Diemen's Land
(Reel 2418, item 2/8249)
NSW State Records NRS 1155 Musters and other papers relating to convict Ships.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs11
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Voyage of the Calcutta 1803
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tcowley/Ships.htm
Book -
Tipping, Marjorie. (1988) Convicts Unbound: The story of the Calcutta Convicts and
their Settlement in Australia. (Ringwood, Victoria: Penguin Books). ISBN 0 670 90068 0
Image of the Calcutta 1804 in Port Phillip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kearley_Calcutta.jpg
Memo Book of H.M.S. Calcutta 1803-1804 [manuscript]
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1132926
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Thank you, lots there for me to follow up.
Molly
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Hello Molly
Are you just interested in Wm Coatsworth because of the similarity of surname?. If are you looking for a possible connection to your grandmother, it would be useful to have some details about the grandmother - place, date of birth, names of parents, and try to connect her to him, rather than him to her.
About the Dunn family - you need to give good details about which Dunn family you are after. Are they connected to the Coatsworth Family?. If not, then a separate enquiry for this family name would make it easier to respond to.
Wivenhoe
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Hello Wivenhoe,
My Coatsworth ancestors are from Maidstone and the surrounding villages in Kent. There are Coatsworths in the north of England but we have no known connection to them.
The furthest I can go back for certain is William Coatsworth, born 1791 in Mereworth, who married Mary Cook in 1819. They ran a pub in Maidstone, the Duke of Brunswick, as did their son Alfred and his wife Isabella, the parents of my grandmother Harriet, who was born there in 1886.
The William born 1791 is probably the son of Thomas Coatsworth, born 1768 in Teston and his wife Sarah Tupper whom he married in 1790. Further back than that is speculation but this is what I have so far.
William Coatesworth and his wife Sarah, who must have been born in the 1690s, had a son William, baptised in 1715 in Marden.
His son William married Elizabeth Bunyard in 1759 in Teston.
They had seven children,
1. William, who married Jane Groombridge in 1782 in Nettlestead, and whose daughters Elizabeth and Nancy were baptised in 1783, in Nettlestead. (Twins perhaps, or sisters baptised together?) William was a gardener, and was appointed Borsholder (Parish Constable) at Nettlehead in 1783 according to records of West Kent Quarter Sessions.
2. Elizabeth, baptised 1760, in Wateringbury
3. Sarah baptised 1762, in Wateringbury
4. Mary baptised 1764, in Teston, who had an illegitimate son William baptised 1784, in Teston
5. Nancy baptised 1766, in Teston (Nancy is often a version of Ann, and there is a record of Ann marrying Joseph Waghorn in 1788 in Nettlestead).
6. Thomas baptised 1768, in Teston, who married Sarah Tupper in 1790, in Nettlestead, and whose son William was born in 1791 in Mereworth, married Mary Cook, and is my great great grandfather. Thomas was in Maidstone Union Workhouse in the 1841 Census, age given as 70, actual age 73.
7. Margaret, baptised in 1775 in Nettlestead.
As you can see, convict William doesn't fit into this, because his age is given as 30 in "Convicts Unbound", making his date of birth as around 1772.
I was hoping he had family in Tasmania who might know more about him, but no luck so far.
Of course he may be nothing to do with my lot, but I think all the Coatsworths in Kent were from the one family.
Thanks for your interest.
Molly
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No mention of Mary Coatsmith in TAS BDM but she arrived 25 Dec 1851 on the "Lady Franklin" from Norfolk Island, one year before Mary Coatsworth marries..
Search with 1851 and Ladt Franklin -
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=91
Not many people arriving in Dec 1851 voyage so Mary might be a servant/maid etc with one of the families.
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RE Coatsworth Family from Kent Thank you for the information! My father grandmother was from Maidstone Kent and she was Emma Coatsworth, daughter of William. Emma emigrated to Canada in 1912 with my grandfather and two of his sisters.
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Hi there. Nice to know the Coatsworth thread is still out there.
Do you have a date of birth for Emma? I have Emma Coatsworth, age 8, staying with Edward and Frances Coatsworth in Maidstone in the 1861 Census. Edward and Frances are brother and sister but recorded as husband and wife, and were Emma's uncle and aunt.
Emma was born in Salcombe in Devon in 1853, as her father William (born in Maidstone in 1821), was working there as a coastguard.
Do you think this is the right Emma?
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Emma Jane married James Thornington and had 13 children. She was widowed at young age. She remarried John Finey. He had one son John Victor. After John passed away Emma joined her eldest daughter Laura in Toronto, Ontario Canada.
Emma Jane Coatsworth
Birth 31 JAN 1853 in Salcombe Devonshire Enland
Death 05 OCT 1935 in Toronto, York Cty, Ontario, Canada,
Family Members
Parents
William Coatsworth 1821
Sarah G Warn 1831 1864
Spouse & Children
James Thornington 1853 1898
Laura Emma Thornington 1876 1933
Frances Elizabeth Thornington 1879 1880
Mary Ellen Thornington Coatsworth 1880 1924
William James Thornington 1882 1951
Edith Charlotte Thornington 1883 1884
Olive Margaret Thornington 1885 1898
Rose May Thornington 1886 1886
Edwin John Thornington 1887 1954
Emma Jane Thornington 1888 1962
Alfred Daniel Thomas Thornington 1890 1953
Lizzie Thornington 1891 1893
Alice Mabel Thornington 1893 1894
Charles Henry Thornington 1896 1967
Spouse & Children
John Finey 1850 1907
John Victor Mawdsley A Finey 1903 1961
Laura followed her husband to Canada first. Emma Jane with her daughter Emma and son Charles in 1912 and then Alfred James and his wife in 1920.
Mary Ellen was given to relatives to raise after James died and she took on their surname Coatsworth. She married Walter Low later in Scotland.
My grandfather was Charles born 1896 who married Alice Weale and they had 11 children. My father the eldest was named Lawrence Coatsworth Thornington.
So indeed we are related.
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Re the Maidstone William, he entered the Coastguard Service on 12 October 1849 having been nominated from HMS Calypso, with a first posting to Salcombe CG Station. On 12 June 1860 he was transferred to Hope Cove, then on 22 May 1863 to Rochester in Kent, where on 18 November 1865 he was promoted to Commissioned Boatman (a petty officer in the CG Service). He was pensioned from Rochester on 6 July 1869.
While working at Salcombe he re-entered the Navy as one of the 2600 Coastguards recalled for service during the Crimean War, where he served on HMS Duke of Wellington, being awarded the Baltic Medal. It is also probable that he had seen active service before on HMS Harlequin during the 1st China War - if you are able to confirm this I would be grateful.
On the later CG records his date of birth is given as 19 January 1821, and from the BDM Index he looks to have died in the Oct-Dec qtr of 1879 in the Maidstone Reg. District. Following the death of his first wife he married an Elizabeth Carter in the July-Sept qtr of 1865.
In the National Archives is an entry for William and Sarahs son William Edwin, who was sent to the Greenwich Hospital School (ADM 73/196/91). On the application reference is made to Emma, Frances and Lora. Additionally there is a possible pension application for William (ADM 29/59/383), if Im correct this will list his previous service prior to joining the CGs. Both these documents can be ordered online, but are not available as instant downloads.
Hope there is some new information here.
Martin
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Thank you! I really had no information on the Coatsworth side of the family at all. Emma's brother Will according to 1906 Census was the Harbour Master in Dysart Fyfe Scotland. He married Margaret and had no children. I have a picture of him, will have to find. He died in 1935 in Sculcoates, Yorkshire East Riding England.
William, his father's first wife was
Sarah Grace Warn 1831 1864
William Edwin Coatsworth 1851 1935
Emma Jane Coatsworth 1853 1935
Frances Eliza Coatsworth 1857 1907
Sarah Grace Coatsworth 1864 1864
Spouse & Children
Elizabeth Carter 1824
The Laura I think they are referring to maybe Emma daughter. Emma was widowed young with a lot of children and she had to work. So some of the children went to relatives.
I will follow up on your suggestions. Thank you.
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Thank you. I now have much more information about my great grandfather's eldest brother and his family. And found a new cousin!
Cheers,
Molly
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MagyPast
I think Lora is infact Laura Elizabeth sister to Emma. See the following site : http://www.our4bears.net/parishes/Salcombe/Salcombe_bap.htm (http://www.our4bears.net/parishes/Salcombe/Salcombe_bap.htm).
I also note that there are two navy service records available on the National Archives website (£3.36 each) for a James Thornington born Maidstone 13/2/1853.
Martin
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Laura Elizabeth Coatsworth born 1859 in Salcombe, sadly died there in 1861. (Ref. Free BMD First quarter 1861, Kingsbridge 5B 157)
After the family moved to Kent, Sarah Grace was born and she and her mother both died in the first quarter of 1864. (Ref. Free BMD First quarter 1864, North Aylesford, 2a 357 and 2a 268)
Molly
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Hello Wivenhoe,
My Coatsworth ancestors are from Maidstone and the surrounding villages in Kent. There are Coatsworths in the north of England but we have no known connection to them.
The furthest I can go back for certain is William Coatsworth, born 1791 in Mereworth, who married Mary Cook in 1819. They ran a pub in Maidstone, the Duke of Brunswick, as did their son Alfred and his wife Isabella, the parents of my grandmother Harriet, who was born there in 1886.
The William born 1791 is probably the son of Thomas Coatsworth, born 1768 in Teston and his wife Sarah Tupper whom he married in 1790. Further back than that is speculation but this is what I have so far.
William Coatesworth and his wife Sarah, who must have been born in the 1690s, had a son William, baptised in 1715 in Marden.
His son William married Elizabeth Bunyard in 1759 in Teston.
They had seven children,
1. William, who married Jane Groombridge in 1782 in Nettlestead, and whose daughters Elizabeth and Nancy were baptised in 1783, in Nettlestead. (Twins perhaps, or sisters baptised together?) William was a gardener, and was appointed Borsholder (Parish Constable) at Nettlehead in 1783 according to records of West Kent Quarter Sessions.
2. Elizabeth, baptised 1760, in Wateringbury
3. Sarah baptised 1762, in Wateringbury
4. Mary baptised 1764, in Teston, who had an illegitimate son William baptised 1784, in Teston
5. Nancy baptised 1766, in Teston (Nancy is often a version of Ann, and there is a record of Ann marrying Joseph Waghorn in 1788 in Nettlestead).
6. Thomas baptised 1768, in Teston, who married Sarah Tupper in 1790, in Nettlestead, and whose son William was born in 1791 in Mereworth, married Mary Cook, and is my great great grandfather. Thomas was in Maidstone Union Workhouse in the 1841 Census, age given as 70, actual age 73.
7. Margaret, baptised in 1775 in Nettlestead.
As you can see, convict William doesn't fit into this, because his age is given as 30 in "Convicts Unbound", making his date of birth as around 1772.
I was hoping he had family in Tasmania who might know more about him, but no luck so far.
Of course he may be nothing to do with my lot, but I think all the Coatsworths in Kent were from the one family.
Thanks for your interest.
Molly
Hello Molly,
Sorry I can't help with your search for William Coatsworth the convict but I am interested in your Thomas who married Sarah Tupper. My husband's ancestor Charles Tupper was Sarah's brother.. So I can tell you about the Tupper line if you are interested. They were also from Mereworth.
Sylvanne
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Thank you for your message. Sarah Tupper was my 3 x Great Grandmother, so yes please, I would love to know more about that side of the family.
I'm still intrigued by the convict story, but I think it is probably impossible to find out any more about him.
I haven't done much work on my tree lately, but you have prompted me to take a further look at it. There are posts on this thread I didn't follow up at the time, so thanks for the nudge!
Molly
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Hello Molly,
You may already know that Sarah (Sally) was the daughter of William Tupper and Sarah Smith who were married at Mereworth on 10th October 1759. Sarah Smith was the daughter of John and Elizabeth Smith and had been born at Mereworth on the 10 October 1733 and died in Mereworth in 1825.
I haven't been able to find who William Tupper's parents were or where he was born but there were a number of other Tuppers in Kent at that time. William and Sarah had nine children, Sally was the third child and my husband's 2Xgreat-grandfather Charles was the eighth. He was born on 27 May 1775 and married Susanna Powell at St Andrew, Holborn in 1799. They had 7 children, one of whom was William born in 1809. He emigrated to Australia with his family in 1852 during the gold rush and settled in Bendigo. His son William had a son Henry born 1878 who had a son Edward in 1902 who was my husband's father.
That's a potted history version of the family. Naturally I have much more but Rootschat is probably not the best way to communicate it.
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Thank you so much for all that. Lots to be getting on with!
I'll keep in touch. Where are you? I'm in London.
Molly
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I'm in Melbourne, Australia .
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Hi there. Sorry I went quiet, I was going back over my Coatsworth stuff all weekend!
I can send you my postal address and my e-mail address in a personal message, if you want to send me more about the Tupper side. I really only need Sarah's ancestors though and I think you already told me as much as you know about them, thank you.
I plan to go to the National Archives in Kew on Thursday, which is also where my nearest Latter Day Saints Family History Centre is located. If I can't get anything further there, I might have to go to Kent, to the Archives which are in the library at Canterbury Cathedral.
I'll let you know if I find anything relevant.
Molly
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Hi Molly,
If you don't mind sending me your email address that would be good. A few years back I discovered a Tupper relative living in Hampshire who had inherited a whole drawer full of letters dating back to the late 1700's and a family bible. I wrote an article about these letters for our Australian genealogical magazine . I could send you a copy if you like. Some of them were from Sarah's brother Charles.
I would be very interested in anything you are able to find in the archives. I haven't been to the Canterbury ones.
Sylvia