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I am compiling a database of as many people I can find, and as far back as I can go, who lived or were born in Thurnham (between Glasson Dock and Cockerham). I am also researching its history. I would love to hear from anyone with info and, in return, I may have info for someone.
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I am also interested in members of the Hornby family who were born and lived in the Thurnham area. I do have some details already.
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I have 50 Hornbys although some may be duplicated entries, as I don't always know if certain details apply to a particular one or not - there are many with the same christian name. If I can't link it to anyone, I create a new entry until I find out more. What is the best way for me to share my info? Have just joined this website so am still finding my way. Can I send my Hornbys as an Word attachment?
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Hi,
just read your thread on families in Thurnham. My ancestors were the Penningtons and were mostly farmers in and around Ellel and Thurnham. Will be glad to give you more info if you are interested?
Kind regards
Dianer
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By one of those strange coincidences that make a genealogist's life worth living I was updating my notes on this man earlier today:
Papist Returns 1767
Ribchester and Stidd
John Swarbrick Farmer aged 30 resident 7 years
Ann Swarbrick his wife aged 32 resident 7 years
A John Swarbrick, Farmer of Ribchester, signed the Oath of Allegiance at Preson dated 12th January 32nd year of George III [1792] so did Thomas Swarbrick Farmer of Ribchester on the same date.
John Swarbrick married Mary Brownforth by licence. He was described as "John Swarbrick of the Parish of Cockerham, farmer." The other man who stood surety was William Proctor of the Town and Parish of Lancaster, Butcher. The marriage was to take place in the Parish Church of Lancaster. The marriage duly took place at St Mary's Lancaster on the morning of 4th April 1796.
The will of John Swarbrick late of Cock Hall, Thurnham, Yeoman dated 7th September 1805 - Probate granted 8th June 1807 - Estate valued at £300
Executors: his wife Mary & Joseph Chew of Preston, innkeeper & Thomas Duckworth of Preston, sawyer.
Beneficiaries: to his wife Mary his estate in Hothersall - also mentioned sons John and Richard and daughter Betty.
Date of Probate 8th June 1807
Testator: John Swarbrick of Cock Hall within Thurnham in the County of Lancaster, Yeoman
Executors: Mary Swarbrick, Joseph Chew, Innkeeper & Thomas Duckworth, sawyer, both of Preston aforesaid.
Legatees: John , Richard & Betty Swarbrick
Testator ordered that all his just debts to be paid, and beqeathed to his wife Mary Swarbrick, sons and daughter John, Richard and Betty Swarbrick all share and share alike.
Cock Hall Farm is next to Thurnham Hall and the Catholic Church of SS Thomas & Elizabeth. Thurnham Hall was the home of the Catholic family the Daltons.
I've probably got more on this family and I'm sure I've got one or two more references to Swarbricks in the area if you are interested.
jds1949
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Hi Deaner. Many thanks for this. I have some Penningtons on my list as follows: Isabella - b.1772 married Richard P in 1796, no address.
Jane - b.1825, lived at Bamber's Farm Thurnham.
Margaret - b.1835, married 1856-9 to John Croskell, lived in Thurnham somewhere, had 9 children, d.1916.
Thomas - a papist mentioned in Lancaster Sessions in 1717, was a cordwainer.
Thomas - a husbandman in Thurnham, d.1751.
Thomas - b.1721, lived at Pennington's (don't know wherre that is in Thurnham).
William - lived at Bamber's Farm Thurnham, mentioned on farm rental list in 1892.
Any more info would be gratefully received.
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Thanks JDS1949 - I have John, Mary and his children on my list, as well as this for John - he was mentioned in farm rents 1794-lease expires 1809. Serving in the Lancashire Militia in 1799.
Also have Ann b.1800, Ann b.1838, Edward b.1825 - became a priest, James b.1822 also a priest, Thomas - no birth date but rented a cottage and garden in 1892 which burnt down, and Thomas b.1807.
Is John from Ribchester the same John who later lived in Cockerham parish?
Thanks for this info - much appreciated.
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James Swarbrick was the parish priest at Thurnham Catholic Church for a number of years.
Census entry 1871 [roll 4228 folio 33]
Thurnham
Woodside
James Swarbrick Head Single 48 Roman Catholic Priest of Thurnham Church occupying 28 acres of land & employing 1 farm manservant b. Nateby
Edward Swarbrick Nephew Single 14 Scholar b. Nateby
William Gillett Servant Single 64 Groom & herdsman b. Woodplumpton
Clementine Bretherton Servant Single 29 Housekeeper b. Thurnham
Mary Hudson Servant Single 15 Assistant servant [domestic] b. Elswick
At some point in the 1870s he moved to St Mary’s Fernyhalgh, but was back at Thurnham in 1878 for a short while before moving to Cockerham.
Both he and his brother Edward, also a priest who was at St Augustine's in Preston, are buried in the same grave at Thurnham Catholic Church. Their particular Swarbrick family was the one that farmed for many years at Nateby; the best known member of that family being Nicholas Joseph Swarbrick who was the last surviving member of the Merchant Navy who had served in the Great War. He died in 2006.
The John Swarbrick who held Cock Hall was from a different Swarbrick family who were at Singleton in the early 1700s.
I'm intrigued by the reference to the Lancashire Militia - do you have any further information on that, or the reference for the information?
This might be the Thomas whose cottage burnt down:
Census entry 1891 [roll 3462 folio 24]
Thurnham
Thurnham Road & Thurnham Hall
Thomas Swarbrick Head Married 30 Market gardener b. Nateby
Annie Wife Married 29 b. Claughton
John Hornby Serv Single 14 Assistant b. Thurnham
William Henry Bullen Serv Single 12 Assistant b. Kellet
He was another member of the Nateby lot. Again, I would be interested in any further details you might have on the fire.
jds1949
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Hiya tortiegirl,
I had the Johnson's living in Cockerham. I will get my stuff together and post it on here if you want me to :)
Jacky
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We have some Jolleys, from Cockerham and some of them ended up in Thurnham, but the branch I was following moved to Cheshire so I don't know too much about the Thurnham ones, claytonbradley
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Hiya tortiegirl,
I had the Johnson's living in Cockerham. I will get my stuff together and post it on here if you want me to :)
Jacky
Many thanks for the offer, but I am just doing Thurnham and I haven't encountered any Johnsons from there. Offer much appreciated though. :)
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Hi,
I've got seven people on my tree born in Thurnham, but they are all relatively recent - the earliest birth was 1881. Surnames are all PARKINSON or WILDING.
Tim
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Hiya tortiegirl,
I had the Johnson's living in Cockerham. I will get my stuff together and post it on here if you want me to :)
Jacky
Hi Jacky I have ancestors connected to Cockerham I was wondering if they could be related to yours. Mine is James Johnson born 1813 in Slyne, he married twice in the local church at Cockerham. He first married Margaret Webster then after the death of Margaret he married Ann Nightingale I would be very interested if the ancestors are connected. Thanks Ken.
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Hello All,
I've only just seen these postings and am very interested. One of my families were the HOUGHTONS who lived in THURNHAM. We have got back as far as JOSHUA b.1810 to THOMAS & ELIZABETH, but hit the 'brick wall' some time ago. JOSHUA was actually christened in nearby COCKERHAM because the family were CofE and the church in THURNHAM [SS Thomas & Elizabeth]was Catholic. JOSHUA married JENNET HOLDEN in 1834 and they lived in SCOTFORTH Village. If anyone has any info reguarding Joshuas parents etc, I would be very pleased!!
tortiegirl, if I can help you with my info please let me know. Also I have Inscriptions of St. Michaels Cockerham and Scotforth Cemetery, if anyone has a surname they would like me to look up, I'm quite happy to. Lastly, coincidence, I also have PENNINGTONs going back to around the same time, but mine were born and lived in East London.
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That's interesting about the name Joshua as it seems to be a strong name in the Jolleys and it carried on in the Jolleys who moved to Cheshire where the census takers weren't always sure what it was. Was it a popular name in the area? claytonbradley
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Hello 'dianer',
Unfortunately, for some reason I'm unable to send a personal reply to you. Do you want me to put the info on here?
clayton, not sure how popular the name Joshua was, have only found two in my Houghton family. Unusually, haven't found any records of the one I mentioned above naming any of his four sons after himself.
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:)Hi Pencan,
yes please..go ahead and post the info. and many thanks for your help. Happy New Year!
Dianer
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Hello dianer,
There's:- RICHARD PENNINGTON of Latham House, Ellel, died nov. 5th 1865 aged 84.
Wife ALICE who died oct. 11th 1868 aged 84.
Their two daughters JANE & ALICE who died in infancy.
Also ANN, their daughter, wife of ROBERT BLEZARD, who died apr. 27th 1840 aged 37.
Another eroded stone has THOMAS PENNINGTON of Thurnham.........rest illegible.
Lastly:- MARGERY PENNINGTON died dec. 23rd 1925 aged 49, and THOMAS LIDDLE PENNINGTON died aug. 28th
1944 aged 68.
Hope this is of interest to you. Also, there are also some Penningtons buried in Scotforth Cemetery that were born in the late 1800s.
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:)thanks for this info. Pencan. This helps alot! If you don't mind , would you be able to give me the Mi's for Scotfrth please?
Once again, thank you
Dianer
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Dianer - I have three Thomas Penningtons in my database.
One was a cordwainer from Thurnham who attended the papist sessions on 30/4/1717 at Lancaster (I presume); another also from Thurnham who was a husbandman involved in a Dalton's rental sale in 1720 and have probate record for date of 14/9/1751; the last was born in 1721and lived at "Pennington's" Yearly rents 1783, BCL2- Life lease 1776, rents in 1794 for ?Half Driver’s and have burial at St M - old gravestone. I have slipped up slightly in recording one or two entries for St Mary's Lancaster with the same abbreviation as St Michael's Cockerham - oh dear - will have to go through my lists!
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We have some Jolleys, from Cockerham and some of them ended up in Thurnham, but the branch I was following moved to Cheshire so I don't know too much about the Thurnham ones, claytonbradley
Hi Clayton. I have 3 Jolleys on my database. One called Peter, born 1775, married Mary Shaw (local name), lived at Bank House (a farm on the shore south of Cockersand Abbey) as a husbandman, on Dalton’s estate jury 1836-wreck and estuary bailiff, married 1800. Wife lived at Abbey. Next one is Joshua who also lived at Bank House, land rents 1794-lease expires 1800. The last is John, again at Bank House, Bulmer’s Tr Dir 1910, Trustee of Thurnham Village Institute 1920.
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Pencan - I have Hogtons and Houghtons from my database but it won't send as an attachment. Shall I email you offline from here?
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Pencan,
If it's not too much trouble, I'd be very interested in any Clifton inscriptions you may have at Cockerham. My husband's ancestors married and were baptised there in the early 1700s and later moved allegiance to Garstang St Helen's for some reason.
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Thank you very much, Tortiegirl. Peter Jolleys was bap 15 May 1774 Cockerham, a twin and married Mary Shaw 5 May 1800 St Mary's Lancaster. His twin sister, Betty , had an illegitimate son, Peter. That Peter moved to the Blackburn area with his uncle John Jolleys, married and moved to Cheshire. Was the Joshua you mention subsequent to Peter 1775? I'm a bit confused because Joshua was the name of Peter's (1775) father, but of course Peter 1775 may have had a son Joshua. Thanks again, claytonbradley
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Hello dianer,
PENNINGTONS in Scotforth Cemetery are:-
BEATRICE, dau. of WILLIAM H. & ELIZABETH PENNINGTON died jul. 19th 1906 aged 13.
GEORGE HENRY their son [killed Ypres] nov. 3rd 1917 aged 23.
STANLEY CROMPTON [Crompton as in surname?] youngest son, died jan. 6th 1920 aged 28.
ELIZABETH wife of H. PENNINGTON died may 10th 1932 aged 63.
W.H. PENNINGTON died oct. 26th 1942 aged 77.
THOMAS WILLIAM PENNINGTON husband of Laura died nov. 17th 1958 aged 61.
SARAH JANE PENNINGTON died 2nd mar. 1926 aged 59
THOMAS WALTER PENNINGTON [husband] died 5th jan. 1929 aged 65.
EDITH PENNINGTON died jul. 23rd 1934 aged 32
JOHN PENNINGTON [husband] died aug. 1st 1937 aged 36
FREDERICK their son, died jun. 10th 1947 aged 19.
FREDERICK PENNINGTON died jul. 10th 1932 aged 63.
ANNIE PENNINGTON [wife] died sept. 24th 1939 aged 72
RHODA ANNIE their dau. died feb. 9th 1954 aged 57
ETHEL TINSLEY died feb. 12th 1970 aged 78
FREDERICK JOHN TINSLEY died jan. 13th 1967 aged 78
there's also BERTHA PENNINGTON died jul. 30th 1951 aged 57, she's in a plot with a family called JONES.
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Thanks Pencan for your help-this is very useful
Kind regards
Dianer
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Hello clayton,
At St. Michaels, Cockerham there's :-
JOSEPH JOLLEYS of Ellel, died jun. 8th 1848 aged 71
BETTY [wife] died jan. 31st aged 77
JOSEPH JOLLEYS [grandson] died jan. 20th 1854 aged 7 months.
ELLEN JOLLEYS of Bank House Cockersands died may 7th 1918 aged 53
JOHN JOLLEYS [husband] died feb. 26th 1932 aged 74
there's also an eroded stone with JOHN JOLLYS died may 1778 aged 13
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Hello Glenpenny,
Sorry, there's no inscriptions for CLIFTONs at St. Michaels, Cockerham, and only one inscription at the Scotforth Cemetery:-
JOHN CLIFTON died may 25th 1928 aged 65
ELIZABETH JANE [wife] died june 21st 1931 aged 63
GLADYS MAY THATCHER [daughter] died sept 20th 1992 aged 94
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Thank you very much, Pencan. I'm not sure where they fit in but I've made a note of them. It has been suggested to me that Jolleys were Huguenot refugees, but I was rather puzzled as to why they would go to the Lancaster area. The earliest parish references I found were Thomas Gelye buried at Lancaster Priory 10 Jul 1599 and Cockerham 3 April 1608 bap son of Thomas Jolius. Thanks again, claytonbradley
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tortiegirl
Thanks, I'm quite happy for you to put any info on here. It may also help someone else who may be looking!! This is the first time I've come across any discussions about Thurnham and surrounding areas, never mind the HOUGHTONS!! They seem an illusive lot, maybe moved from somewhere else as the only inscriptions I've found are for:-
JOHN HOUGHTON of Thurnham, died jul 27th 1857 aged 75
JOSHUA [son] died may 11th 1880 aged 73.
DOROTHY, wife of THOMAS HOUGHTON died jun. 21st 1859 aged 41
MARY ANN, MARY, RICHARD & OLIVER children of above, all died in infancy
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clayton-bradley: thanks for this early info on the Jolleys (Gelye/Jolius) - I have added it to my database. Looking at the dates of the farm rents of 1794, I think this Joshua must be Peter's father.
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Thank you for checking Pencan. Happy New Year!
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Pencan - thanks also for your info on the Jolleys which I have added to my database. I am trying to post my info on 19 Hogtons/Houghton names that I have but I'm having trouble. They are in a table in landscape form with 11 columns and won't convert or transpose without it mixing all the info up. Help please from someone more savvy than me as to how best to do it.
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Many thanks, tortiegirl. That means Peter Jolleys 1793 lived there as he lived with his grandparents. I'm very pleased to know that.Have just realized it says on his bap that his mother was of Bankhouse, but I thought it was an area.His mother married James Mason 30 apr 1798 in Pilling and the witnesses included her twin, Peter. Joshua married Sarah Parker 1 dec 1765 in Pilling. She was older than him so they only had five children. There was an admon 21 feb 1801 when Joshua died (buried 26 jan 1801 Cockerham) which names Sarah his widow (buried 29 jan 1811 Cockerham) and his probable brother Thomas Jolleys cooper and clerk of Cockerham church=Jane Porter, 28 dec 1762 at St Helen's Garstang. I think someone said before that Mary Shaw was a local name. She married Peter, Betty's twin, but I seem to have Westmoreland for her birthplace, I'm not sure why. I think Joshua and Thomas may be the sons of William Jolleys, but I'm not sure. I have a list of 17th century Lancaster Priory Jolleys dates and can pm them if any use. Thanks again, claytonbradley
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tortiegirl,
That last sentence leaves me out. Landscapes, columns, converting and transposing are another language to me!!!
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Thanks for that info claytonbradley - now I'm confused! I have Peter's birth date as 1775 and marrying Mary Shaw. Who is the Peter you mention with a date of 1793? Also, if you look at a map of Thurnham with Cockerham you can see there is Bank House, Bank House Farm, Bank House cottage and further down, Bankhouses on the coast just south after Cockersand Abbey-a bit confusing for me sometimes. Bankhouses seems to me to be a little community of cottages and I've come across loads of info of occupants especially on Lancashire Records Office website but haven't documented it as it is outside my area of Thurnham.
Pencan - can I send you a personal message with my Word doc attachment for the Hoghtons as I know of no other way to do it. Anyone else on here can have the info on them with pleasure as well.
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Hello tortiegirl,
Sorry, but you see I'm a silver surfer and don't have much idea what to do most of the time!! Could you please advise how I go about giving you the info you need, thanks.
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Peter born 1775 was a twin. His twin, Betty Jolleys of Bankhouse had a natural child as the vicar put it, in 1793 and she called him Peter after her twin. Then she got married so she left little Peter with his grandparents, Joshua and Sarah. Sounds as though maybe I should go back to thinking it an area rather than a house then, thanks claytonbradley
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Hi claytonbradley - thanks for that. Do you know which Peter married Mary Shaw? Having two Peters now makes it awkward to link up which one was on the Dalton estate jury (see my previous info) but I can always put a question mark against that info which is what I do when I'm not sure which person it refers to.
Just had a search to clarify Bank House - there are TWO Bank Houses in Cockerham - one is described as Lower Bank House, Cockerham Sands and is right on the shore, one in the Abbey lands - both I presume are farmhouses so I don't know which one is yours. I suspect it is the one nearest to the Abbey which is owned by a good friend of mine - she is currently renovationg it and has discovered a little window from the Abbey in what was once an outside wall which still has the iron bar stumps on it that held the glass panes in. Bankhouses are a collection of cottages nearby - not to be confused with Bank End which is further down again!
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Pencan - don't worry - I'm going to try to copy and paste the info on here. My headings are as follows: Last name, first name, date of birth, where born, spouse, lived at, occupation, died, age at death, where buried, additional comments including info source (one, LRO, is Lancashire Records Office). I don't have all this info for everyone so there will be data missing. Here goes...
HOGTON Ann-b.Thurnham-lived at Thurnham Hall ? 2nd dau of William H Esq dec'd, source-lease and release doc-LRO?
HOGTON Jane (nee Haresnape)-married Richard Hogton.
HOGTON John-lived in Thurnham, source-Survey of Thurnham 1653.
HOGTON Sandra-lived in Thurnham, source-¼ sessions petition 1661 relief-LRO.
HOUGHTON Ann-b.1859 in Thurnham, Elizabeth b.1863 - both lived at Kendal Hill Farm,scholars in 1871,source- census-both g'd-daughters of Ann b.1805.
HOUGHTON Elizabeth A-b.1878 in Thurnham, lived at 3, Ten Row, Glasson, source-1881 census-niece of Roger b 1852.
HOUGHTON Isabella-b.1914, d. 21/07/1921 age 7- buried Glasson C of E.
HOUGHTON James-b.1817 in Thurnham, lived at Kendal Hill cottage as Ret. Labourer,d.21/09/1884 age 67, buried Glasson C of E, Son of Margaret Houghton, source- Census 1881, Mannex 1881 trade directory.
More to follow-have run out of room on here!
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HOUGHTON James-b.1857 in Ashton (nearby), lived at Kendal Hill cott, source-census 1871-g'd-son of Mgt b 1784.
HOUGHTON James-b.1822 in Glasson Dock, married Alice, lived at West View no.4, Thurnham, Dock labourer, source-census 1881. Gnd’father of James.
HOUGHTON John-b.1815, married Betty, lived at Conder Green (nearby), d.17/02/1871 age 56, buried Glasson C of E.
HOUGHTON John, b.1843, lived on Moss Lane Thurnham (as I do) as a fisherman, d. 28/11/1884, age 68, buried RC Church, Thurnham Hall, source-census 1851.
HOUGHTON Joshua-b.1807 in Scotforth Lancaster, married Jennet Holding, lived on Moss Lane then Kendal Hill cottage as a Dock labourer, d. 11/5/1880 age 73, buried St Michaels Cockerham or St Mary's Lancaster, sources-Census 1851,71. Had son James- GenForum. Married 1834.
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HOUGHTON Margaret-b.1784 in Lancaster? Lived on Moss Lane/ Kendal Hill cottage, garden and barn (once James Harrison’s house?), sources-Cottage description doc of Dalton's in1868, census 1851,61,71-wife of John ?, Probate record-left £20 by William Abbott, gentleman-24/2/1821- LRO.
HOUGHTON Margaret-b.1834, lived on Moss Lane as a house servant, source-census 1851-dau of John and Mgt?
HOUGHTON Robert-b.1823, lived on Moss Lane as a Blacksmith, d.11/06/1862 age 39, buried Glasson C of E, source-census 1851-son of John and Mgt ?
PHEW!!!
HOGTON William, lived in Thurnham, d.1712, source-Archdeaconry of Richmond Wills.
Hope this is useful to you. Any feedback, corrections, mysteries etc gratefully received.
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You have the right Peter Jolleys marrying Mary Shaw.The one born in 1793 left the area with his uncle John Jolleys to find a job in the Blackburn area and married there, then moved to Cheshire, where he died. He has a gravestone at North Rode in Cheshire. Thanks for the extra information on Bank House. I belong to the Catholic Family History Society and we had a very interesting talk some years ago about Cockersand Abbey with lots of slides including one of a tree bent sideways because the wind was so fierce. I think the speaker was called Brian Marshall and I have the book I bought then "Cockersand Abbey Lancashire", bye claytonbradley
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Re- Jolleys - I was tootling around on the internet and found two more on St John Bapt reg in Pilling. Agnes Jolley married William Madder in 1705; Joshua Jolley married Mary Dawson 1705. Any relations as Pilling is not too far from here?
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I have those listed but haven't tied them up yet. The trouble is that Joshua Jolleys at Bank House was the son of William Jolleys and Mary Carter (Thomas 1740, Joshua 1743 William 1745 John 1753 Mary 1762) and it seems that William was born 1717 illegitimate son of Jane Jolleys. There was a Joshua Jolly who had a daughter Agnes bap at Pilling 1684, so she could be the one who married in 1705. The only birth for a Jane I've found is Jannet Jolis dau William in 1674 at Cockerham which seems a bit early. I have a copy of the will of Thomas Jollyes of Pilling 1729 if anyone wants any information from that, thanks for your help, claytonbradley
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Mmmm-I don't think I can be of much help here as I am trying to stick to Thurnham roots. The boundary for Cockerham goes right down the middle of our lane, so people who lived on the other side of the lane whose cottages are now long gone would be relevant for my research of the area but stating they lived in Cockerham is too vague for me to pinpoint them and the Bank House area is too far away, relatively speaking. Have you looked at the Archdeanery of Richmond Wills 1457-1680 or similar books found via searching on archive.org? Good luck anyway and if I can help any more I will.
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Many thanks and you said that the window your friend found had iron stubs, which was interesting because the book on Cockersand Abbey says that stained glass windows normally had lead glazing strips but the wind was so fierce at the Abbey that they used iron for their windows.bye claytonbradley
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tortiegirl,
Thank you so much for for the info, sorry you had to go to all that trouble. I will have to look through it properly and digest.
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Claytonbradley - you are so right about the wind. I live about half a mile from the Chapter House which is all that is left of the Abbey, and boy, as a passionate gardner- does it blow here! I have the book on the Abbey and it is fascinating and also mentions near the end some names of tenants after the Dissolution that I have recorded. Let me know how your research progresses.
Pencan - no problem and glad you got the three postings of Hogtons and Hoghtons. Love to know what they reveal for you.
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Hello tortiegirl,
Sorry for the delay in replying. As I said previously, I hit the 'brick wall' a while ago and had put this part of my family down for a while. Seeing these postings got me interested again and I have been trying to gather and shuffle all the odd pieces of paper etc with anything to do with the name Houghton on, that I'd saved along the way with certs & census, to see if it matches any of your info. I still have lots to see if there's any connection, but I'm slightly confused over the JOSHUA & JENNET HOUGHTON info you have. When I started genealogy, a relative had already started and had Joshuas parents as THOMAS b.1759 & ELIZABETH CLARKSON b. 1763, married in 1782, but it seems they are not the right ones. Then we got stuck, so back to the drawing board!! What we had collected was :-
JOSHUA [my g-g-g-grandad] was born 14th sept.1810, Thurnham [christened 7th oct Cockerham]. parents THOMAS & ELIZABETH HOUGHTON
JOSHUA married JENNET HOLDEN 24th nov. 1834
On 1841C they are living in Scotforth Village and JOSHUA is a Journeyman Stonemason, they have:
THOMAS b. 1836
BETTY b. 1837
JOSEPH b. 1840
JENNET died 23rd sept. 1841 aged 28 in Scotforth. On death cert it has, cause of death--Child Bed, wife of Joshua Houghton, Stone Mason.
JOSHUA then married MARY ARMISTEAD 1st mar. 1846. On m. cert it has JOSHUA, Stonemason, his father, THOMAS HOUGHTON, labourer. They had:-
JAMES b. 1846 [my g-g-grandad]
JOHN b. 1850
JOSHUA [stonemason] died 10th apr. 1857 aged 46. living in Henry st, Lancaster.
There is another JOSHUA HOUGHTON born 1807
On the 1851C he is a farm lab. unmarried [44], living at Thurnham Moss with his parents JOHN [68] & MARGARET[67] and brother ROBERT [28] All are born Thurnham.
On 1861C he is a Dock lab. still single, living at Kendall Hill Cottage. MARGARET is the Head/wid, ROBERT is not there, but another brother JAMES [43] is.
On 1871C he is still a dock lab and single. Margaret is 87. JAMES is not there, but a g/son JAMES [14] is
This has definitely got me interested again!! I have other HOUGHTONS who were in Thurnham at around the same time but so many names, dates etc, not sure what relation they may be. If you would like any more of this info I'll be happy to give.
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clayton bradley,
I've come across: ELIZABETH HOUGHTON [not Betty] daughter of THOMAS married W. JOLLEYS son of JAMES, o/n/d 1847 Lancaster. W. Jolleys was born 1823?, christened 1st jan 1824 at Garstang. Parents: JAMES & DOROTHY JOLLEYS. Don't know if you already have this.
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Many thanks, Pencan. No, I didn't have the marriage, just an 1851 census entry with William Jolleys living in Ashton with Stodday, wife Elizabeth children, James and Elizabeth. I haven't fitted them into the tree yet. I'm still following William Jolleys m Mary Carter about 1740, bye claytonbradley
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Pencan - looks like I have confused the two Joshuas - so sorry. Your info correct - see Houghtons query on British Geneaology Forum too. Where did Joshua b. 1810 marry?
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Hello tortiegirl,
Don't talk to me about confusion, I've lost count of the times I've been confused!!That query on the B.G.F was from my relative, and she can tell you a few things about confusion too!!
The copy of Joshua and Jennets marriage cert. doesn't have the Chruch on it, but perhaps it was in Cockerham the same as where he was Christened. I haven't had a lot of spare time to look at your info properly yet, but so far, the only Houghton that could be in my lot is The JAMES HOUGHTON b. 1817 Thurnham, died 1884 aged 67. He could be my Joshuas brother. Could you tell me if there are any existing records of b/m/d for Glasson C of E where JAMES is buried? My family are very elusive and there's no sign of any burials in Ellel,Scotforth, Far Moor and just the two in St. Michaels, Cockerham. They must be buried somewhere!!
The Kendall Hill Cottage that is mentioned about three times in the info you have given me, I have come across it a few times in my research before. You have three Houghtons living there-1784, 1817[my Joshuas brother James?] and 1857. I wonder if the MARGARET HOUGHTON b. 1784 who lived there, could have been a sister of THOMAS HOUGHTON b. around 1788, the possible father of my Joshua? I don't suppose it still exists, but was Kendall Hill just one cottage or a row of them do you know? Thanks.
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Hello TimW,
Are you still looking for the PARKINSON surname in Thurnham? I have found some that were born around 1750 that were buried in St. Michaels, Cockerham.
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Hi Pencan. Felt bad about misleading you so to make up for it, I looked up "lancasterfamilyhistory.org.uk/files/glassonchristchurch.htm" and found a list of burials including many Houghtons. I also printed out details of burials in the church by the same source from a booklet lent to me by my neighbours - you can buy it from the website. Here are the details: ROW 4, No. 9 - Isabella, wife of Thomas d.21/7/1921 age 70; dau Grace Parker d.31/3/1891 age 8; Thomas d. 30/4/1931 age 79; dau Ada d. 8/2/1935 age 48. ROW 2, No.1 - John of Conder Green (near us) d.17/2/1871 age 56; wife Betty d.7/2/1859 age 37; son Robert d.16/5/1868 age 22; dau Mary Jane d.23/5/1870 age 19; son John d. 31/7/1932 age 80. Row 10, No.1 - Richard -one of the twelve drowned on Lancaster sands 29/5/1857 age 25; Row 12, No. 4 - John of Glasson Dock d.28/11/1844 age 63; wife Alice d.28/8/1900 age 79; eldest son James perished at sea 27/4/1870 age 23. The list on the website I mentioned earlier includes some names not on in the the booklet, including another James - see what you make of it. Kendal Hill is still a working farm just to the north of us (see a map of area) and could have since amalgamated workers' cottages. Wonder what Margaret's maiden name was? I'll have a trawl but looks like they changed churches. Will also look for Joshua's marriage in Cockerham.
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Hello Pencan,
Well the earliest Parkinson I have on my tree from this area is Peter who married Ann Wilding in 1880 in Christ Church Glasson. I have him born around 1855 in Lancaster.
So, sadly, much too late I think for you.
I think that Ann, like myself, is descendant of the Wildings from the Penwortham and Longton areas south of the Ribble.
Tim Wilding.
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TimW - are you looking for any earlier Parkinsons from Thurnham area as I have loads on my database.
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Hello tortiegirl,
Please don't feel bad about mixing up the two Joshuas, we had to do some head scratching at first. I'm just grateful for the help you've given me!! Sometimes it takes me quite a while looking at info before the penny drops and I can make connections [if there are any!] My Joshuas father was THOMAS and we're looking at his parents being JOSHUA HOUGHTON & RACHEL CLARKSON who married 9th april 1771, but not definite yet. On my various bits of paper I also have the names ELIZABETH/BETTY for my Joshuas mother, possibly with the surname HELME and BROCKBANK [or BROCKLEBANK].
Could you tell me if Thurnham was a small village back then as looking at the Houghtons names and their dates of birth etc could they have all been related in some way. Thanks again for all the info you have given me.
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Hi Pencan. Had a look for Helme and Brock(le)bank and, though I have a few, none are called Betty/Eliz.
Thurnham is supposed to be a medieval settlement (or even before that). It consisted of dwellings strung out along the A588 to Cockerham. This road was the shoreline until reclamation of the moss began (?1500-1600s), then dwellings were built along the trackway to the Abbey which is now the lane where I live. The Cockerham parish boundary goes right down the middle of it so include Cockerham in your research terms for Houghtons, and also try Hogton as spelling varied quite a bit as did mis-translation due to bad writing! There is also a Houghton Tower somewhere near and, though I have limited my entries for them to Thurnham, I have often seen the name mentioned connected with this area in a wider sense.
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Again, many thanks tortiegirl for your help.
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Hello TimW,
Have just come across this, don't know if you've already seen it or if it's too early for you. Might be worth hanging onto though for future reference [hopefully!!]. Hope you can open it ok.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/DAVIES/lStMarysPR.htm
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Many thanks Pencan, and also to Tortiegirl for her post on the 14th.
I'm afraid I'm not really looking for more information on the Parkinsons though. They are on my tree due to a male Parkinson "marrying in" to my family in 1880. Since he isn't a blood relative I won't trace his ancestors. I've got 3,500 people on the tree as it is, so if anything I'm looking to try and rationalise things a bit.
But I hope both of your respective researches go well.
Tim Wilding.
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We have already been in touch with Tortiegirl, but thought we would post in this as well in case others where interested.
We have a number of families in the Thurnham area including: Croskell, Pennington, & Hornby. If anyone is interested in these names we are happy to correspond.
Wayne & Di
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Hi there,
thank you for getting in touch. Your ancestors are definitely related to mine. William was the brother of John (1788?- 1857). He married Jane Mount and their children were Dinah; Nancy; Thomas; Elizabeth; William; Jane and Margaret.
I am particularly interested in William and John's parents and grandparents. It is a little difficult to find anything out as they were catholics. I have Thomas Pennington who was born about 1751 (unable to verify this). He died 18/12/1841 and previously lived at Heysham Hall. His father, I think was also called Thomas (1711?-1795). if you have gone back this far I would appreciate if you could see if this matches/fill in any gaps.
Kind regards
Dianer
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About 15 years too late for this post??? But I am researching Holmes in Thurnham (and some, later, in Conder Green), Catholics with burials at SS Thomas & Elizabeth. Interested to know what anyone else has found.
I have the MI booklet for the Church and am interested in an entry which states "HOLMES grave- no stone." Would there be any record which I could access, which would say who was in the plot, or who purchased it?
Also, hoping that someone with local knowledge can clarify: I have the 1848 OS map of the area, which shows "Higher" Thurnham to the north of "Lower" Thurnham.... yet by the 1919 OS map Higher Thurnham to the north is called "Lower" Thurnham, and the southern part which used to be called Lower Thurnham is now called "Upper" Thurnham??????