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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: ronnynel on Tuesday 07 September 10 08:06 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for any information on Edward Cunningham born about 1832 he may have been born in Manchester, England but don't have any proof he died 1921 Marrawah, Tasmania. I think he arrived about 1850 but can't find his name on passenger lists. Would appreciate any help.
Thanks ronnynell.
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Hi ronnynell.
Are you certain he was not this convict?
Cunningham ,Edward. arrived 15 Oct 1845 per ship Equestrian (2) departing 05 Jul 1845 from London.
Sue
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Tasmanian Federation Index
Death -
Edward CUNNINGHAM died 25/10/1921, place Marrawah, reg year 1921 reg no. 63
you requested this information
but don't have any proof he died 1921 Marrawah, Tasmania. ???
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Hi there,
Thanks for that info I do have his death I am looking for his birth I think it was in Manchester but that is just family heresay. I can't find any proof!
Thanks for your trouble.
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Family say he wasn't a convict, I have found several convict records for edward Cunninghams, I can't find any other records of his arrival so maybe it wasn't known to his family that he was a convict.
Thanks, Ronnynel
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Advocate Newspaper 26 October 1921 -
Edward Cunningham....resided with son Thomas for last two and half years....age 89 yrs 7 months at death...native place Manchester....arr aged 18yrs....lived Circular Head many years....worked earlier in Huon Valley.....daughters Mrs Cure and Burnell and Blake..all at Smithton. Sons Edward, John and Herbert all at Smithton, Alfred at Wynyard and Thomas at Marrawah. Buried at Scotchtown cemetery.
The convicts with this name who arr. 1841 and 1845 are aged in 20s so not likely to be your Edward.
You can find him from this database - he is the Edward Cunningham with no birth date, children with mother Elizabeth Kennedy - no marriage to find on the BDMs index.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=8
The child Hugh b 1875 is missing from fathers obit. Charles Cunningham d. 29.7.1879, parents Edward and Elizabeth, 4 years old, so that is probably him.
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Thanks Wivenhoe that's a great help!
I have looked for marriage to Elizabeth Kennedy in Tas. & mainland states without success, maybe they weren't married!
Also I can't find him on any passenger lists....did he swim?
Cheers ronnynel
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Hi ronneynel,
You may already have this from the 1841 census. I thought the family names were interesting considering the names that Edward gave his children, and something to keep in mind if you can prove his connection to Manchester.
1841
Shude Hill, Salford
Manchester
CUNINGHAM
Peter, 45, clothes dealer, born Ireland
Anne, 40, born Ireland
Catherine, 17, cap maker, not born in county
Mary, 15, cap maker, not born in county
Ellen, 13, not born in county
Hugh, 11, not born in county
Edward, 9, not born in county
Peter, 6, born in county
John, 3, born in county
Sarah, 15 months, born in county
The first four children, including Edward, were possibly also born in Ireland, or even Scotland. I am struggling to find entries for any of these people in 1851 - anything can happen in 10 years!
Available immigration records are nowhere near complete, and he may just be one of those who is not recorded. Have you had a look at the Edward CUNNINGHAM who arrived on the Joseph Soames in 1847? He was tried at the Old Bailey on 5 Jan 1846 and sentenced to 10 years. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=def2-380-18460105&div=t18460105-380 He wasn't necessarily from London - his partner in crime, William BREESON, was from Lynn in Norfolk. Edward was aged 16 on the ship's muster, and his usual occupation is given as Tailor, so he may have been serving an apprenticeship.
The Joseph Soames arrived with exiles at Port Henry (Geelong) via Tasmania in Sep 1847, and "....those bearing good characters are ordered to be discharged on their arrival in the colony on condition of remaining as settlers for life."
Edward CUNNINGHAM is noted as being amongst those "sent on shore not having obtained employment to their liking onboard." ::)
An excellent and quite funny article by a Mr Broadway who was the second mate on the 1847 voyage:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4768906?searchTerm=%22joseph%20soames%22
Others relating to the arrival of the Joseph Soames
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12892725?searchTerm=%22joseph%20soames%22
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2970724?searchTerm=%22joseph%20soames%22
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8761384?searchTerm=%22joseph%20soames%22
I can't see a marriage for Edward and Elizabeth either. Do you know anything at all about her - where she came from, parents' names?
Debra
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Hello Debra,
Yes! I have the 1841 census I agree it does seem this is the correct family.
How do I look up the record you refer to regarding Edward Cunninghams arrival on the Joseph Soames?
Elizabeth Kennedy was born 4 Oct 1842 in Launceston parents Edward Kennedy & Elizabeth Boskell they married 23 June 1841 Launceston. It's thought Edward Kennedy was a ship's captain or something like that.
Thanks Rhonda
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Hi Rhonda,
The 1847 arrival of Edward CUNNINGHAM is listed on Victoria's PROV site http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/public/PROVguides/PROVguide023/PROVguide023.jsp under "Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871". The microfiche for these shipping records are held by most libraries and family history societies.
I asked about Elizabeth KENNEDY as I thought they may have met elsewhere. Have you seen that the Tas Archives have the Elizabeth KENNEDY who was born in 1842 as an infant death in 1845? ???
Debra
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Edward Cunningham was not his name when he left England. He was a convict named John Thompson and changed his name after arriving in Tasmania
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Hi darcie12,
Can you tell us a bit more about this John THOMPSON? There were lots of convicts with this name, which one was he?
Debra :)
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Hi Darcie,
Can you tell us what proof do you have that he was John Thompson?
Ronnynell
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John THOMPSON Born 10/3/1831 Birmingham
tried in Manchester 15/2/1850 .7 years transportation
9/12/1852 Arrived in Hobart on Lady Montague
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Hi Darcie,
Thanks for the information. Several people have been searching for Edward Cunningham's arrival without any success. How did you connect John Thompson as being Edward Cunningham? Also do you have any information regarding his marriage to Elizabeth Kennedy?
Thanks again, ronnynell
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Hi ronnynel & Debra
What is your connection to Edward Cuinningham & Elizabeth Kennedy
They were my Great Grandparents
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hello wivenhoe ,
you mentione edward cunningham lived in circular head and had daughter mrs cure. This mrs cure is probably my great grandmother
anne elizabeth cunningham who married crawford cure. Doed this tally with nyour information regards michael taylor
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mikeztaylor
I have no personal interest in this family - contributed to the forum with newspaper notice of the death. Ronnynel would probably be keen to know of your connection to this family.
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I'd like more information re; Edward Cunningham (aka John Thompson???) too please
Edward Cunningham and Elizabeth Kennedy are my GGGP's via Edward, their son
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Hi ordsteel,
;D Welcome to RootsChat ;D
I am not related, just helping out, but those who are related and have contributed to this thread have not been on the site for awhile. Hopefully they will get a notification of your post though.
In the meantime here are the records of John THOMPSON who has been said to be also known as Edward CUNNINGHAM.
Convict Indent
(Page 1) http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-43,378,359,L,80
(Page 2) http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-43,378,360,L,80
This is from a previous post of mine, and if you check the names of John THOMPSON's family on the (Page 2) link above, you will see that they match the CUNNINGHAM family in the 1841 census.
Hi ronneynel,
You may already have this from the 1841 census. I thought the family names were interesting considering the names that Edward gave his children, and something to keep in mind if you can prove his connection to Manchester.
1841
Shude Hill, Salford
Manchester
CUNINGHAM
Peter, 45, clothes dealer, born Ireland
Anne, 40, born Ireland
Catherine, 17, cap maker, not born in county
Mary, 15, cap maker, not born in county
Ellen, 13, not born in county
Hugh, 11, not born in county
Edward, 9, not born in county
Peter, 6, born in county
John, 3, born in county
Sarah, 15 months, born in county
The first four children, including Edward, were possibly also born in Ireland, or even Scotland. I am struggling to find entries for any of these people in 1851 - anything can happen in 10 years!
Debra
This of course is not proof that John and Edward were the same person, they are all fairly common names, but I think darcie12 may have other confirming information that they will hopefully share with you.
Other convict records for John THOMPSON:
Conduct Record:
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-110,296,256,L,80
Description List
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON18-1-58,232,72,L,80
Debra :)
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Just a snippet - the convict indent for John Thompson gives his native place as "Birmingham". The names of his family on that indent are certainly co-incidental with those in the 1841 census entry.
If these two are the same person perhaps Cunningham was his birth name and 'John Thompson' was an alias.
This may be his father, perhaps stepmother, and two siblings in 1851. The surname in the Ancestry index has two 'n's but the spelling on the image is CUNINGHAM which matches Debra's 1841 transcript. However the father's age is not consistent with the earlier record. ???
37 Faucett St, Manchester
Peter Cunningham 46, labourer, b Ireland
Catherine Cunningham 30, dressmaker, b Ireland
John Cunningham 12, errand boy, b Manchester
Peter Cunningham 10, scholar, b Manchester
James Long 22, visitor, sizer?, b Manchester
Michael Renolds 19, visitor, striker?, b Ireland
Peter Reynolds 17, visitor, striper?, b Ireland
James Reynolds 14, visitor, piercer? b Ireland
Bridget Oneal 70, visitor, almswoman, b Ireland
(There is an O'Neal family next door - perhaps Bridget may bepart of that family?)
Anyhow, doesn't help much :(
Judith