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I wonder if there are two Noah Wheatley's.
The Noah I am tracking comes from Beckenham Kent England, born 1878 (1920 U.S. Census) and founded "Mothers Cookies".
I have also found a Noah born England 1879 (1910 U.S. Census).
As both dates are from the Census, Birth dates are only to the nearest year, so they "could" be one and the same; but I do not think they are as my Noah (1878) was a Barnardos boy who came via Canada (arrived 1891 on the SS Norwegian).
I would also like to find Noah's war record for WW11. He was drafted into WW1 at 37 and apparently again in 1941 aged 63!
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Noah Wheatley
Birth Date: 1 Sep 1878
Birth Place: Beckenham. Kent. England
Residence: Alameda, California
Name and address of person who will always know him : Mr W Meder 1148 E18th Street. Oakland. California.
If you would like copies of WW1 and WW2 Drafts - please send me a personal message with your e-mail address.
Regards
Sandra
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All men of a certain age (unless they were already in the military) were required to file draft registration cards - it doesn't mean that they were actually drafted or ever served in the military. Most men whose WWII draft registration cards are currently available (the ones referred to as the 'old man's draft') were not drafted.
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Thankyou for clearing up that Little matter.
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You're welcome. The 1930 Census has a question about whether the person is a veteran, and Noah's says no, so looks like he was not in WWI.
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Now, that is VERY interesting. Therefore someone has made a mistake ( I will go back and check) or something funny happened!
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WW1 and WW2 sent - would you like 1930 Census or are you okay ;)
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1940-1997 California index for deaths shows (only) Noah Wheatley, born 1 September 1878.
Social Security index for deaths shows two Noahs, one born 1894, the other 1905.
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Alameda references the County of Alameda, not the City of Alameda.
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1910 Census San Francisco Assembly District 36, San Francisco, California
Noah Wheatley 31 Born England. News Dealer. Own Shop. Immigrated 1902. AL
Louia Wheatley 69 Born England. Mother. Widowed. Had 2 children and 2 survive. Immigrated 1907
Anna Wheatley 30 Born England. Sister. Immigrated 1907
British Home Children - Herbert and Noah Wheatley
In the 1890's Alexander Duncan and Carrie Taylor took in two boys, Herbert and Noah Wheatley, from the Dr. Barnardo Home in England. These British Home Children were sent out to farms to help with the chores and other work until they turned 18 . Herbert Wheatley came to Canada when he was 13 years old arriving in 1890 on the S.S. Circassian from Liverpool 19 June 1890 arriving in Quebec 30 June 1890. Grace Joyce had the small wooden box given to the Barnardo children for their possessions which had belonged to Herbert. After many years of searching she was finally able to return it to his family who were living in British Columbia. Noah Wheatley went to Oakland, California and when Alexander Duncan Taylor and Carrie Dewhirst Taylor visited him in 1925 he owned a cookie bakery. He told them that if he had two or three more good years, he would have more money than he knew what to do with.
In 2002 an article was written by the present owners of the very large corporation who now owns "Mother's Cookies "--
"For nearly two decades N.M. Wheatley (who didn't care for his name of Noah and pronounced his middle name "Mike " although his French mother spelled it Mique, worked hard as a hometown and foreign newspaper vendor at the corner or San Francisco's Market and Kearny streets.
In 1914, he became curious about an elderly couple who passed by his newstand every day carrying a covered basket filled with delicious home-baked vanilla cookies they sold door-to-door . After trying one, Mique decided on the spot to purchase the rights to the recipe.
The taste of that vanilla cookie changed his life! Mique decided to invest in something more permanent than a corner cart. San Francisco's 1906 earthquake and subsequent fires influenced Mique to locate his business across the Bay at a small, one man plant on 12th Avenue in Oakland he toiled all night baking cookies in a three square foot oven with a nightly capacity of about 2000 cookies or 150 boxes. These sold for $1.00 a box and his vanilla cookie s were an overnight success.
Needing help, Mique hired a young woman to help him, and romance flourished in the small bakery. Mique married his new assistant, Leopoldine, and together they ran the company until their son, Floyd, was old enough to take over . In the early days, cookies were delivered in a wagon pulled by Mique's rented horse, Vanilla. Later, Model T Ford's outdistanced Vanilla. b 1922 the bakery needed more space, and the company moved to East 18th Street - a gamble so large that Mique was forced to sell his house and even the piano to pay for it!
In 1949 the company experienced more growing pains, and the bakers moved one final time to 81081st Avenue in Oakland, where the headquarters and bakery remains to this day . Thanks to Mique and Floyd, Mother's is a fixture in Oakland and in many other towns, employing over 750 people across 14 western states. Alaska, and Hawaii and importing and distributing biscuits from Europe. We salute Mique Wheatley, who went from selling news to making news.
http://mcintaylor.com/canada/alexander_duncan_taylor.html
http://sfcitizen.com/blog/tag/wheatley/
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In case you haven't seen them, I found an obituary and death notice for Noah, an article about his daughter's engagement with a picture of her, and an article about Leopoldine with a picture of her, all in the Oakland Tribune. If you want me to e-mail any of them to you, just send me your e-mail address in a private message.
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You're welcome. The 1930 Census has a question about whether the person is a veteran, and Noah's says no, so looks like he was not in WWI.
Now, that is VERY interesting. Therefore someone has made a mistake ( I will go back and check) or something funny happened!
I made the mistake, by not reading the 1930 Census fully! However, on his registration card, he said he had a crippled right had due to being shot in the war? (the record's on another system, and this is from memory!)
1940-1997 California index for deaths shows (only) Noah Wheatley, born 1 September 1878.
Social Security index for deaths shows two Noah's, one born 1894, the other 1905.
Alameda references the County of Alameda, not the City of Alameda.
Thankyou for clearing up another point - the County of Alameda, not the City.
There are a lot of Wheatley's out there, so these other Noah's could be amongst them.
Sandra
Thankyou, but I have just found the 1930 Census. Also thankyou for the links. The 1910 Census for San Francisco Assembly District 36, San Francisco, California
Noah Wheatley 31 Born England. News Dealer. Own Shop. Immigrated 1902. AL
Louia Wheatley 69 Born England. Mother. Widowed. Had 2 children and 2 survive. Immigrated 1907
Anna Wheatley 30 Born England. Sister. Immigrated 1907
It makes me wonder "why" Noah and Herbert were "given away" becoming Barnardos boys when their mother was still alive, then mother and sister went out when Noah had "made good"!
A little bit "cheeky"?
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Hello floggle toggle,
The WW1 card did say "crippled right hane due to gun-shot wound" but it does'nt say it was during the war.
Sandra
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So I was right in one respect and jumped to a conclusion in another?
I should not do that, just given myself a "talking to"!
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Boston Passenger List
Annie Wheatley. Born about 1880 Beckeslam (mistranscribed) Aged 27 years. Goint to brother in Oakland.
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England to Boston. Massachusetts on SS Saxonia. Arriving 12 April 1907
Friend's Name: Look Wheatley (Mistranscribed)
Travelling with Louise aged 67 years. Going to Oakland to Son
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The Canadian Soldiers of War Attestation papers for Herbert give his Mother as Louise
Herbert Wheatley Born:- 17 Mar 1877 - Beckingham, Kent, England
Mrs L Wheatley. (Mother) Residence: 830 E 19th Street St Oakland, California
Trace:- General Con.of Bildg Re Timber- Teamster (Foreman at times)
July 3 rd 1917
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California Death Index
Annie Hengell (Annie Wheatley)
Born 21 Apr 1880 Other Country
Death Date: 1 Jun 1947 Alameda
Mother's Maiden Name: Haskell
Father's Surname: Wheatley
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1920 Census Sacramento Assembly District 14, Sacramento, California
Edward M Hengell 39 Born South Dakota. Eleactrician. Own shop
Annie Hengell 40 Born England. Parents England
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1930 Census Jenny Lind, Calaveras, California
Edward M Hengell 50 Married at 32 years old. Electricaj Engineer
Annie Hengell 49 Immigrated 1907 Naturalized. Married at 32 years old. Naturalized.
Kathleen Wheatley 68 Immigrated 1908 Applied for Naturalization. Helper Private Home. Applied for Naturalization
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1920 Census San Francisco Assembly District 30, San Francisco, California
Elizabeth A Macdonald 54 Irene Macdonald 16
Donald Macdonald 7 Clinton W Haywood 57
George W Lough 31 Joseph Smith 30
Kathleen Wheatley 56 Born England. Lodger. Immigrated 1908. AL Seamstress. Dressmaking
Hester Guede 8
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Boston Passenger List.
Name: Katherine Wheatley Born about 1862. Brighton. England. Aged 46 years.
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England to Boston. Massachusetts on SS Saxonia. Arriving 23 July 1908
Travelling with Louise Lillian Wheatley. Aged 53 years. Dressmaker.
Going to Mother Louise Wheatley - East 19th Street. Oakland. San Francisco.
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1910 Census Oakland Ward 1, Alameda, California
Daniel W Harries 76
Maria L Harries 73
Louisa L Wheatley 33. Born England. Parents England. Immigrated 1908. Servant. Cook for Private Family
1930 Census Oakland, Alameda, California
Louisa L Wheatley 54 Born England. Parents England. Immigrated 1908 Servant. Private ....
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Caifornia Death Index
Louise L Wheatley
Birth Date: 11 May 1875 - Other Country
Death Date: 21 Nov 1952 - Alameda
Mother's Maiden Name: Masket
Father's Surname: Wheatley
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Thankyou for all this information.
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In case you haven't seen them, I found an obituary and death notice for Noah, an article about his daughter's engagement with a picture of her, and an article about Leopoldine with a picture of her, all in the Oakland Tribune. If you want me to e-mail any of them to you, just send me your e-mail address in a private message.
Hi shellyesq. I would love to have a copy of the death notice and photos for my family history collection (Taylor family).
I couldn't figure out how to send you a pm.
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Perhaps floggle toggle has easier access to these records. As this was months ago, I don't think I saved the information.
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Hello.
Yes I have these, they are about Noah and his wife. As they are on "another system", I will come back to you later in the week.
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Hello mcintaylor.
The reason that you could not send a PM is, that new members have to make at least three postings before being allowed to use the PM facility; see - http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
If you would like to ask another question, you will then be able to PM me with your e-mail address.
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