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Title: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: dutchman on Monday 06 September 10 12:58 BST (UK)
My  Royal Marine grandfather died on September 25th 1940 in London.  It was the time of the Blitz on the Capital .  He could have been there on duty or visiting his sister who was Matron of St.Giles Hospital Camberwell
My problem is I cannot find a death certificate.  Do the Navy not register deaths as per normal, do they just lump them all together as'killed in action' or what?


Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 06 September 10 13:07 BST (UK)
Can you post details of his full name and birthyear please
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: dutchman on Monday 06 September 10 14:08 BST (UK)
C/Sgt Henry Jones Ply/12533.   Buried at Gillingham.  Born  24/06/1885.
Does this help?
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 06 September 10 15:13 BST (UK)
I think it's more likely he died whilst on duty than visiting his sister. 

I'm no expert on military matters but remember reading something in the dim and distant past that death certs were not issued for personnel killed in action
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: nanny jan on Monday 06 September 10 15:18 BST (UK)
Hi,

Death certs were issued ;  I have one for my uncle who was shot down in 1944.  They are in a separate register.



Nanny Jan
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 06 September 10 15:39 BST (UK)
That's great news - I've searched the GRO website but could not find anything - is the register held elsewhere?
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: nanny jan on Monday 06 September 10 15:45 BST (UK)

Can't recall where I found my uncle's details......possibly on the FindMyPast site.   :-\



Nanny Jan
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: Certacito on Monday 06 September 10 23:10 BST (UK)
Wouldn't he be a bit old for a serving Marine at 55?  Perhaps he was some kind of instructor? 
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 07 September 10 00:04 BST (UK)
He was a serving officer at the time of his death which is shown on the cwgc website

His rank was Colour Sgt in the Royal Marines and he is buried at Gillingham Woodlands cemetary
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: Certacito on Tuesday 07 September 10 11:27 BST (UK)
He was a serving officer at the time of his death which is shown on the cwgc website

His rank was Colour Sgt in the Royal Marines and he is buried at Gillingham Woodlands cemetary

Okay thanks for that but one point.  You can't be an officer and a colour sergeant.  One is commissioned and the other a None Commissioned Officer.
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: IMBER on Tuesday 07 September 10 13:36 BST (UK)
He's listed in the GRO's index War Deaths (Naval Ratings) 1939-1948.  The details you will require to order a certificate are Year 1940 Volume 6 Page 2099.  He's also listed on www. naval-history. net. Apart from the details you already have it also records "Pens J 7793, Devonport, bombing, killed". Does that mean he had some sort of pensioner status.  As regards him being buried at Gillingham I see that that cemetery had a plot reserved for use by the nearby Royal Naval Hospital. Was he perhaps taken to the hospital but later died there of his injuries?
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: Wendi on Tuesday 07 September 10 13:53 BST (UK)
Well done IMBER !  Nicely found  ;D
Title: Re: WW2 death of marine in London
Post by: dutchman on Thursday 09 September 10 17:56 BST (UK)
thanks for all the info.
My grandfather was indeed old to be a marine.  He had spent all his adult life in the marines and hated being a civilian.  War gave him a new but very brief lease of life.  He died as he would have wanted not old and beached.
I will follow up the suggestions and hope to find a fuller picture of his death.