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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Perro on Monday 06 September 10 11:51 BST (UK)
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I have found Joseph R Hay's birth Thanks to help it was Dec 1819 and ch in 1820 Feb to John & Sarah Hay at Spa Fields Lady Huntingdons Clerkenwell.
Also a daughter Elizabeth Hay in 1817
They had another son Henry Joseph Rawlings Hay born 21 Sept 1815 ch St John Baptist Clerkenwell 10th March 1816 Vineyard Walk.
Can anyone help on this family as a marriage for this couple is beyond my capabilities. I found a death for a Sarah in 1840 so finding John on the 1841 census is again hard.
I would be very gratful if anyone could help point the way please.
Regards
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Some snippets of info that might help with your Hay family.
There is another sibling
Elizabeth
born 10th Aug, 1817
bapt. 22nd Oct 1817 Spa Fields Lady Huntngdon
Marriage
Joseph Rawlings Hay = either Emily Brown
or May Fielding Plume
or Elizabeth Roberts
June ¼ 1848 St George Han. Sq. 1 32
Possible marriage for John
John HAYS = Sara Kane
7th Aug 1814 Spa Fields Lady Huntingdon
On the bapt entry for Henry Joseph Rawling Hay, 21st Sept.1815, Vineyard Walk, his father John's occupation is shown as Printer,
Meliora
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There are a couple of other possible baptisms at St Mary le Strand - father's occupation = compositor, same as printer?!
Bapt 21 Feb 1813 Benjamin, s of John and Sarah, Phoenix St, Somerstown. b 8 Feb 1811
Bapt 21 Feb 1813 Sarah Catherine d of John and Sarah address as above. b 4 Oct 1812
and another possible marriage (sorry!)
Christ Church Newgate 20 Sep 1808
John Hay b otp, to Sarah Cooper s otp by banns. Both signed their names.
Witnesses = Henry Hay and Jno Burnley (Mr Burnley signed several records so may not be relevant to your search)
Sue
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Thank you I will keep on persevering with John Hay and wife Sarah surname as yet unknown ???
Its going to be hard to establish their ages until more is known about date and place of marriage.
Nice to know people are so willing to help.
Regards
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Copy of marriage cert. does show he was a printer and still alive in 1848.
Moderator comment: Image removed due to copyright issues, small portions of images may be shown for deciphering/verification purposes only
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hi
I would be interested in where you are with this family. I have been struggling from the other direction and trying to confirm parents of an "Elizabeth Hay" in my family and recently found that spa fields entry. Also interesting about the earlier children listing an Somer Town Address (not far from spa fields)
I Have the following info to add to the soup :) in regards to what I have for MY Elizabeth Hay.
1) She is listed on census as being born in Somer Town (1851) , St Mary le Strand (1861) approx 1819, but i have various ages as ever.
2) importantly, I have a Poor Law Examination record on 20/2/1858 which has a short biography which is difficult to read. What I can see though is that she states
: Parents are John and Sarah
: Both dead by 1858, mother dies first
: Also mentions her older brother, no name
3) She deserted her family in 1862 resulting in 3 of her children spending their lives in the strand workhouse.
I am keen for any help in confirming she is your elizabeth. :)
cheers
Dave.
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Hi Dave
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Perro hasn't been online here for a few weeks but should receive email notifications that we have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Thank you moderator.
Sorry to pollute this thread, but I cannot send a PM to you until I have posted 3 posts. Is there a more detailed summary of copyright issues on the site. I see I should have used the census copyright notice. Is there a general notice one covering personal transcriptions of items from record offices, like registers.
cheers
dave.
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Sorry again Perro/Dawn. I need three posts :). Hopefully dawn can reply to me personally now.
Dave
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Hi dave
Don't worry....
we encourage all new members to take a few moments to read our guidelines for posting here
http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php
There is a 'copyright' link at the bottom of this page in the brown section, left hand column.
Generally, as long as you transcibe what you see in the images and do not copy and paste from search results, you should be fine.
We do not allow look-up requests for the 1911 census, but you can post your findings if you are the originator of the topic and you have paid for the 1911 census information you are posting which refers to your family and own research.
The census copyright clause is built into your avatar and user name/profile.
If you chose to edit that, then please put the clause in your surname interests.
(compare the look of my avatar and surname interests with your own)
Hope this helps.
Dawn
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Hello I am sorry but I am still in the same boat not sure about what happened to John and Sarah just got the son Joseph Rawlings Hay and still no idea where the Rawlings comes into it. Joseph died young and left a widow and son who also died young leaving a widow and two children. Full tree on Ancestry under Hay.
Nice to hear from you not been doing F.H. for some time.
Regards
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Hi
Sorry, for delay, but I missed your reply for some reason as I didn't get emailed and didn't spot page 2 :). Something else to leave in the in tray for later then.
cheers
dave.
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Hi Dave
Try amend your email notifications here to 'instantly'.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=notification;u=225958
Dawn
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Hi Perro.
I think that my ancestor is probably your Elizabeth Hay on your tree. I have a written confirmation that her parents are John/Sarah Hay and a Somers Town / St Mary Le Strand link. Complicated a bit because she is listed as Elizabeth Thrower although she never married Charles Thrower. All her children are registered in GRO as Thrower nee hay and were strangely :) baptised out of their parish as Thrower. However three of her children went into the workhouse after 1862 and are traced under Hay name and I have written evidence from one child stating his name as Hay and that he was known as Thrower.
I lost her after 1862, maybe she is with the rest of the Hay family ?
Dave
1851 - 12 New Church Court, St Mary Le Strand, age 32 , Born Somers Town
1858 Feb 20 - Poor Law Examination, STRAND, age 37, 5 Binnetti Court. (Co-habiting with Charles Thrower), Parents John and Sarah Hay.
1861 - Behind 22 New Church Court, St Mary Le Strand, age 37, Born St Mary Le Strand
1862 Aug - Desertion of children, who all go into workhouse.
Children Charles Benjamin (1843),Eliza (1847), Bertha Helen (1849), James (1851), Elizabeth (1854), William (1857), Mary Ann (1860)
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Thank you I will add it too my tree its good to find another relative.....
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I have been working on another bit of the tree and have seen there is a bit of a mix up with Henry J Rawlings Hay as he appears mostly as just Henry it appears some have got his wife as Louise and others Elizabeth so more to sort out.
Regards Perro