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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: boobah on Friday 03 September 10 23:34 BST (UK)
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I am looking for the gravestone of John Savage who died 4th August 1909 Age 75 years.
He married and lived in Kinsale, but is buried in Tempo.
I am curious to know why Tempo when his wife Helena who he was happily married to was buried in Kinsale with siblings.
Can anyone help ?
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See other thread for background-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,479664.msg3385169.html#msg3385169
John Savage was born in Co. Fermanagh according to 1901 census so perhaps he wanted to be buried there or was back in Fermanagh visiting when he died and the family decided to bury him there. My grandfather's aunt was visiting from Canada when she died and was buried here in Ireland with her husband's family.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kinsale_Urban/Fisher_Street/1122414
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Thanks Aghadowey, I have been trying the census 1901 and could not find him.Don`t know how you did. Maybe I am narrowing it down too much.
Much appreciated will look up www as advised.
Cheers Tempo.
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cananyone explain why when I go onto National Archives of Ireland and move on to 1901 census for Kinsale Urban and key in the info which I know is on the census,and click on "search" it keeps coming up with no results. Am I searching in the wrong place.I have tried numerous times with all sorts of changes. Boo
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Boobah, just click on the link Aghadowey put in her post and it will take you straight to the census return she found for you.
If you then put a tick in 'see all information' it will expand to show you the details of the family
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May help new researches.
When filling in search boxes put in min. info.
e.g. Savage
Cork
Male
I spent hours trying to find census info. filling in extra data. With no results
Hope this helps.
Boobah
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not sure why you are getting no results... I just tried both the 1911 and 1901 census for male/Savage in Cork an get plenty of results - about 80.
The link to the census is http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
see screenshot below for the search I used :
Shane
sorry - think I misread your post initially - you've now found the result
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Boobah,
I can look for the gravestone. What religion was he? I know he is not buried in the RC cemetery, so I know not to look there.
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Trazz, that is very good of you. John Savage died 1909 and gravestone Kinsale says he was 75 years.
He was Church of Ireland or Methodist not sure which but definitely not R.C.
Was he buried in a family grave up there I wonder, which would give me more info. re family. I am intrigued really.
Best of luck. Boobah
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Trazz, that is very good of you. John Savage died 1909 and gravestone Kinsale says he was 75 years.
He was Church of Ireland or Methodist not sure which but definitely not R.C.
1901 census lists his religion as Wesleyan which is Methodist but could be buried in Church of Ireland graveyard.
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Thanks Aghadowey, like new photo.
Boobah
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Boobah,
couldnt find a gravestone for John Savage in Tempo, But I will keep looking.
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Very much apppreciated Trazz, but I would imagine he is in a family grave up there, are there any Savage graves there do you know. I hope it is not out of your way too much. Let me knoow if it is. Where did they put my poor great, great grandfather. The mystery gets more mysterious.
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I look at every headstone in the COI graveyard and there was no Savage name.
Now I thinking he could be buried somewhere else, do you know if he was born in Tempo itself??
Looking at the census info there was Savage's living around the Lisbellaw direction.
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Thanks Trazz on the gravestone in Kinsale it says John Savage buried in Tempo.
Is Lisbellaw near Tempo? I can`t seem to recall graveyards around the Methodist Churches, many of them now transformed into private homes. They were buried in Church of Ireland ones whereever I lived.
I know also in Schull,Co.Cork, Church of Ireland and Catholics were buried in same graveyard.
He was born in Fermanagh, will try and find out where, Aghadowey said Co. Fermanagh, and I am sure would have said name place if on birth cert. Will try and get more info. re birth, when time allows on computer. Many thanks for trying. Boobah
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p.s. Trazz, sorry wrong info. re Aghadowey, she said he was in Fermanagh in 1901 census, did not mention birth cert. My mistake.
I wll look into birth, when computer availabe for any length of reasonable time.
THats what I love about life all its mysteries. Boobah
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Aghadowey here- civil registration of births started in 1864..
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Thanks Aghadowey, I have been searching 1901 census for John Savage in Fermanagh, and can`t find him. I am keying in John Savage, Fermanagh and. birth date 1834 but getting "no results" what are you doing that I am not doing ?. How did you find him in 1901 census in Fermanagh ?
Boobah
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I didn't say John Savage was in Fermanagh in 1901 census, I said "John Savage was born in Co. Fermanagh according to 1901 census." Here's the link again:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Kinsale_Urban/Fisher_Street/1122414
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Thanks again Aghadowey, I really need to concentrate on all this again, but I am grabbing just minutes at computer and need more time. Yes I did see that on the census, and must go back over all mail again.
Must ring a relative who I have now traced , she may know more.
Sorry re faux pas. Boobah
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boobah,
I still havent come across the headstone for John Savage, but I did find his obituary.
Fermanagh Times Thurs 12 Aug 1909 page 7
Mr John Savage, Kinsale
Born 75 yrs ago under the shadow of old Topped Mountain the late Mr John Savage
left his home in early youth for Kinsale, Co Cork.
Entering into business life in that ancient town he speedily won his way to an honoured position by his steady perseverance his inflexible honesty, and his spirit of kindness and courtesy.
It may not be out of place to note here that he always attributed his success to the Divine influence that reached him in the memorable Ulster Revival of 59 and was so vital an experience with him throughout his whole life.
After a short illness he died surrounded by his family in his home in Kinsale on Wed 4th Aug and in obedience to his oft-expressed wish his remains were brought all the way from Kinsale to rest among kindred dust in the family burying ground in Tempo churchyard.
A large encourse - some of them old and grey-headed the schoolmates and companions of his youth - assembled at Lisbellaw Railway Station to meet the funeral at 1230 on Sat last while others joined the procession on the way to Tempo.
Upon arrival at the cemetery, the Rev Charles Wilson, Methodist Minister, Lisbellaw conducted the burial service which included the singing of Arise my soul Arise, the favourite hymn of the deceased and gave a brief and appropriate address
The following were present -
Miss M Savage (sister) Messrs Isaac Savage, Richard Savage and John Savage (sons)
The coffin was of massive oak, very heavily mounted and the funeral arrangements were most satisfactorily carried out by Mr J H Wilson Lisnaskea.
The Fermanagh Times
Thurs Aug 5th 1909
Savage - Aug 4th 1909 at Kinsale, John, son of late Richard Savage, Cavancarragh. Funeral from Lisbellaw Station on arrival of the 12.36 train on Sat for Tempo.
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Trazz, Boobah hasn't been able to log on much lately, but I'll make sure she knows about your posting because she's going to be thrilled to bits with your information! Why John Savage was buried there, so far from the rest of his family, has always intrigued her.
It's not for me to thank you but I know she'll absolutely want to as soon as she hears! (though that may be a week or so)
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Thankyou Maggie1895
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Hi Trazz, as Maggie said I am thrilled to get your message right now, it has always puzzled me re his being buried in Tempo. Thanks ever so much for that, I would never have found that info. otherwise, I do hope you were not inconvenienced or out of pocket finding it, if so please let me know and I will reimburse you.
I have just come back from Cornwall so hence the delay in answering this, and not being in touch due to family problems.
Many many thanks again . Boobah
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Boobah,
It was no bother at all. I am always in the Library, at least twice a week, and I was doing
lookups for a few people anyway.
Happy I was able to help, even though I still cant find the family plot in Tempo.
If you would like a copy send me your address (privately) and I will post it to you.
Trazz
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Savage - Aug 4th 1909 at Kinsale, John, son of late Richard Savage, Cavancarragh. Funeral from Lisbellaw Station on arrival of the 12.36 train on Sat for Tempo.
Tithe Applotment Index- Savage, Richard, Derryvullen, Cavancurragh, 1835.
www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nirfer/tithe_derryvullen_alpha.htm - Cached
Griffith's Valuation- Cavancarragh (1862) Rebecca Savage. There's also a Richard Savage in the same parish.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
1901 Census- Cavancarragh: Anne Savage
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Castle_Coole/Cavanacurragh/1363781/
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Many thanks Aghadowey, you have been just great all along, what would I have done without you. Lot of problems personally lately, hope to get into the swing of things again soon.
Like Aunt Blanche. Very dignigied looking...
Cheers Boobah
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Many thanks Trazz for offer of photo but am quite happy with the info sent by you. I must try and find out if there is an obit. in Kinsale paper, I have John Savage wife obit. from Kinsale. Never thought of looking for JOhn`s obit there. Isn`t Rootschat a great source of surprises and delight ?
Cheers and thanks again for offer. It has been such a long time since been on Rootschat would have to take time out to find out how to send private reply also !
Cheers Boobah
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Boobah
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Regards