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I am just beginning to look into my family history and my mother says that my Great Grandfather used to say our family can be traced back to Mary Queen of Scots. Which would be AWESOME! :) If its true.
Now.. i have to talk to my grandmother and find out where any records would be or if she knows anything. then im going to try look back further than that if possible... if anyone has any tips of knows how or where i should start pleas let me know:)
My Great Grandfather was a Roberts but i know my grandmother has a book with a couple of generations going back written in it so wish me luck :)
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Should not be too difficult to check. Mary - Queen of Scots - had only one child who reached adulthood and that was James VI of Scotland, our King James I.
James I had only 2 children who reached adulthood - Charles I and Elizabeth of Bohemia, both rulers. Of those only Charles had any offspring outside the royal family - perhaps quite a few! So it would be a bit surprising to be descended from Mary without being descended also from James and Charles.
Good luck in your search. The way to go about this is the one we all have taken. Start with those ancestors you know - your mother, father and hopefully their parents. That is pretty easy. Get the true facts.
Next, you may be back the best part of 75 years by then [my grandmother was born in 1869 but I am old myself]. Then you can look at your book and see if it offers further clues. From there it is using the censuses back to 1841, obtaining birth, marriage and sometimes death certificates back to 1837. After that it is parish records that are needed. If you ancestral line is really distinguished there may be lots of detail freely available going far back.
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I would think it unlikely that you could be related to Mary Queen of Scots without knowing, if she was in your direct line. But she might be a distant cousin - that would take quite a bit of unravelling, I think.
Maybe your gt grandfather meant your family could be traced back to the era of Mary Queen of Scots, which would still be quite impressive for those of us struggling in the 1700s!
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It would be brilliant for you if you could prove a link like that, but as Hackstaple says, you have to start with what you know and work back.
There have been some very interesting threads discussed in the lighter side / common room around family stories we were brought up with and the reality we find when we go researching.
I've also got a 'family story' link back to Scottish Royalty, but my family story was always clear that it was on the wrong side of the blanket - and I don't think there's any way of proving even that - perhaps you will be more fortunate! The very best of luck with it, and if you want help post what you already have that is definite (providing the people aren't alive) and everyone on this board will give you a lot of help iand support in working back from there
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haha. yah i highly doubt that its true. just cool if it was :P and i doubt i would be able to search back that far anyways.
i have to wait until the next time i go to my grandmothers house and she lives on a different island from me so it might be a month or so.
But in the mean time im looking into my grandfather's side of the family by looking at papers from some censuses that my mother found. I have gotten back as far as the early like 1800's maybe late 1700's (when they were born anyway), but i cant remember exactly when they were born. but they were from somewhere in england. Uley or somewhere in that area i think.
i did a surname post on here with my great great great great, etc... grandmother. Her name was Elizabeth Emma Bright ( Finnear was her surname)
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post deleted - confusion over surnames
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Uley - you say. Then you may find these extracts interesting:
http://www.glosgen.co.uk/uleyreg.htm
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Well.. imost of the people on the list we had, were from the gloucester area i remember at least one was from Uley and there were a couple people from Nympsfield, also Cheltenham.
we have a list of a couple generations back and it doesnt say when Elizabeth Emma Finnear (she married John Bright) was born or where she was born, but it says when her daughter was born.
Her daughter was Naomi Alice Bright (married James Fredrick Henry Poulton). She was born on 9 Mar 1877
and died 10 Dec 1963.
I also know that her husband's sister Elizabeth Anne Poulton ( married Joseph Elliot). She was a parlour maid for the Stewart Fripp family of Bristol.
I tried to find some info on that but no luck. Probably just not looking in the right place :)
Hope this helps.. anything else that would be helpfull let me know and ill see what i know
Im real glad for the help :D
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Related to Mary Queen of Scots - possible I suppose from the wrong side of the blanket - same story in my family but never been able to prove it.
Ceeoh
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Probably a lot of your answers are on FreeBMD. You should make searches there as you come across names.
The 1861 census tells us that Elizabeth Finnear's birth was about 1842 at Stoke Lane. Somerset. She was the daughter of George, 54 and Eliza Finnear, 48 who lived at 142 Yeomans Yard, Frome, Somerset in 1816.
George was a professional shoemaker born Leigh on Mendip. Eliza and the rest of the family were born Stoke.
Elizabeth was a straw boater maker and she had younger siblings - George, 17 who was a Machinery Turner at Hinchcliffe's factory, Martha 13, Sarah 11 and Selma 9.
I don't know how much you want to research yourself or if you want others to do it all for you. You choose. If you choose to learn to do the research you will find wonderful guides and sources on the Beginners Board.
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ok starting since your last post Hackstaple i have been looking and...
I have found a church register where a Mary Finnear and George Finnear were married on the 30th of may 1809 in Leigh on Mendip. Where the George Finnear (who you mentioned)who married Eliza was born.
So im thinking that would put them at the age where they could possibly be his parents. dont know what to do next?
i have gone to Free BMD. dont know if im just filling out the dates and stuff wrong but it couldnt find george finnear.
will keep looking and hopefully something will pop up :)
thanks for the info by the way :)
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George Finnear will not be on FreeBMD since that transcribes records from 1837 only. Earlier records will be found in parish registers. George appears to haveebeen born about 1807.
You say you found a marriage between Mary Finnear and George Finnear? - that is unusual. The name is not common and they would have to be close relatives.
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You will find some possible leads on George Finnear here. Just enter the surname in the search. http://www.familysearch.org
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I am suppose to be related to mary queen of scots too. My grandfather died and so i can't find out anything about it. My mother doesn't know anything besides that we are suppose to be related to mary. My moms side is from Scotland but i can trace anything.
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My grandfather was named after all the kings of scotland. It runs in the family. Every male is named after all the kings. I just can't trace anything.
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Hello Mary & welcome
This topic is a couple of years old so it's probably best if you start a new one.
Just let us know what it is you already have & what you want to know.
jim
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I also had a family story of a connection to Mary Q of Scots. My grandmother thought it was through one of the 4 Marys. I was lucky enough to find the connection. I was very surprised to find that JamesV is my13xG grandfather through one of his illegitimate sons (half brother to Mary).
The Stewart Kings had many illegitimate children so it's possible you will be able to prove your family story. Best of luck with your search.
Margaret
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Mary, if MQS had fallen under a bus, the next in line to the Scottish throne was the Hamilton ancestor of the present Duke of Hamilton, a Douglas Hamilton but really a Douglas.
Skoosh.
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I grand mother says my granfather saI'd his side of the family ar related to Mary Queen of Scots but how do I find this out?? Does anyone have a family tree of the family that I could possibly add to
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I'm related to Mary Queen of Scots through my French side of the family. My 19th great-grandmother Marie d'Avesnes is our common ancestor, which makes Mary my 11th cousin, 10 times removed.
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I grand mother says my granfather saI'd his side of the family ar related to Mary Queen of Scots but how do I find this out?? Does anyone have a family tree of the family that I could possibly add to
Hello Brontie. A belated welcome to RootsChat forum.
You need to work backwards from your grandfather.
A great-grandson of Queen Mary was King Charles the Second. He had a lot of illegitimate children. Many of the nobility are descended from him and his mistresses. His brother James had some children by mistresses too. Both Diana, Princess of Wales and Sarah Freguson, former wife of Prince Andrew, Duke of York were descended from Mary, Queen of Scots by these routes.
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I'm related to Mary Queen of Scots through my French side of the family. My 19th great-grandmother Marie d'Avesnes is our common ancestor, which makes Mary my 11th cousin, 10 times removed.
Hello and welcome to RootsChat.
Was this lady also Marie of Hainaut? Aunt to Queen Philippa, wife of King Edward the Third of England?
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Yes, that's her, and is the Aunt of Philippa of Hainaut, who was married to Edward III.
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Should not be too difficult to check. Mary - Queen of Scots - had only one child who reached adulthood and that was James VI of Scotland, our King James I.
James I had only 2 children who reached adulthood - Charles I and Elizabeth of Bohemia, both rulers. Of those only Charles had any offspring outside the royal family - perhaps quite a few! So it would be a bit surprising to be descended from Mary without being descended also from James and Charles.
I have never seen a whisper of Charles l (i.e. Charles first) having offspring outside of his marriage. Please do tell me more.
His son, Charles ll (second), was profligate of course, and if a family history could be traced back to one of Charles 2nd's bar sinister children, then that still goes back to Mary Queen of Scots.
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James I had only 2 children who reached adulthood - Charles I and Elizabeth of Bohemia, both rulers. Of those only Charles had any offspring outside the royal family - perhaps quite a few! So it would be a bit surprising to be descended from Mary without being descended also from James and Charles.
I have never seen a whisper of Charles l (i.e. Charles first) having offspring outside of his marriage. Please do tell me more.
His son, Charles ll (second), was profligate of course, and if a family history could be traced back to one of Charles 2nd's bar sinister children, then that still goes back to Mary Queen of Scots.
I, too had an assumption of Charles 1 being abstemious. It may have been incorrect. He didn't marry until he was 25.
His elder brother, Henry died aged 18.
Another Prince Henry (1640-1660), Duke of Gloucester & Earl of Cambridge was youngest brother of Charles 2nd and James 2nd.
I don't know if either Henry had offspring. Henry, Duke of Gloucester spent his teenage years in exile in France. He did some soldiering. Who knows what else he got up to.
Henrietta, youngest daughter of Charles 1 married her French cousin, the Duke of Orleans. Descendants of one of their daughters were kings of Sardinia.
Elizabeth of Bohemia, daughter of James 1st was mother of Sophia of Hanover (mother of King George 1st of England), Princes Rupert and Maurice of the Rhine + 6 other children. Rupert and Maurice of the Rhine assisted their Uncle Charles in the English Civil War. I'm sure English Royalist women loved them.
George, Elector of Hanover was accompanied by his 2 favourite mistresses when he travelled to England to be crowned King George 1. KG3 had a lot of children with Queen Charlotte. Their sons had mistresses and morganatic marriages and lots of children.
Then there was jolly Edward Seventh, great-grandson of KG3. Isn't Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall a Stuart descendant and a distant cousin of Prince Charles, Diana and Sarah Ferguson? That's even without King Edward as her potential great-grandfather.
Potential multiple routes of descent from Mary QoS, many criss-crossing.
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all the above leads me to believe .
1 we are all related to her #
2 nobody is
3 I am now totally confused with who the heck I am related to. :)
xin
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all the above leads me to believe .
1 we are all related to her #
2 nobody is
3 I am now totally confused with who the heck I am related to. :)
xin
;D ;D ;D
Carol
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;)
xin
I forsee the naughty step coming up
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;)
xin
I forsee the naughty step coming up
You won't get on it Xin....it's full ;D ;D
Carol
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;D ;D ;D
xin
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all the above leads me to believe .
1 we are all related to her #
2 nobody is
3 I am now totally confused with who the heck I am related to. :)
xin
Considering that descendants of Mary QoS included lads who put themselves about a bit, #1 is a possibility. And there was me thinking my family's red hair was down to us being Irish.
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George I was king of Great Britain, not England or Scotland! He could speak little English, had his wife's Swedish lover murdered & buried under the floor of their Schloss! Didn't bring his wife across the North Sea when he won the Lottery! Lovely family! ;D
Skoosh.
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George I was king of Great Britain, not England or Scotland! He could speak little English, had his wife's Swedish lover murdered & buried under the floor of their Schloss! Didn't bring his wife across the North Sea when he won the Lottery! Lovely family! ;D
Skoosh.
Point taken. He was also King of Ireland. His predecessor, Queen Anne, (younger daughter of James 2nd and the last of the Stuart dynasty to wear the crown) began her reign as Queen of England, Scotland and Ireland and ended it as Queen of Great Britain & Ireland.
KG1 and his son & heir had a toxic relationship.
Another line of descent from Mary, Queen of Scots may be through the male line of James 2nd. He had a legitimate son and 2 legitimate grandsons.
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Ireland was part of the English kingdom when the Union of Scotland & England took place in 1707, it joined Great Britain in a Union 100 years later. Ann was never crowned Queen of Scotland, her father ditto! the last monarch to be crowned in Scotland was Charles II. The regalia was then sought by Cromwell but hidden safely away while the English regalia was broken up & sold. William & Mary sent for the Scottish crown to see if it fitted them, this was refused as it cannot leave Scotland. ;D
Skoosh.
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The Scottish Crown Jewels are known as "The Honours Of Scotland."
They are The Crown, Sceptre and Sword of State. The first time they were used collectively was at the coronation of 9 month old Mary Queen of Scots 1543. They are on display at Edinburgh Castle.
Dorrie
p.s. Don't know if I am related to her or any other Royal for that matter and it doesn't bother me unduely :)
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Historically the Stone of Scone/Stone of Destiny was used at the coronation of Scottish Monarchs. In 1296 Edward I of England took the stone from Scone, near Perth, and had it built into his own throne which has been used ever since in the coronation of British Monarchs.
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The real Stone of Scone supposedly came from Palestine via Ireland to Scotland & had carvings thereon. The Abbot of Scone is believed to have palmed-off Edward I with a substitute of local stone, completely unmarked, when he sacked the abbey & possibly it was the cover from the abbey's septic tank!
Edward had a chair made for this rock & English kings have sat on it ever since. Significantly, king Robert the Bruce made no great effort to have it returned by Edward II. ;D
Skoosh.
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The real Stone of Scone supposedly came from Palestine via Ireland to Scotland & had carvings thereon. The Abbot of Scone is believed to have palmed-off Edward I with a substitute of local stone, completely unmarked, when he sacked the abbey & possibly it was the cover from the abbey's septic tank!
Edward had a chair made for this rock & English kings have sat on it ever since. Significantly, king Robert the Bruce made no great effort to have it returned by Edward II. ;D
Skoosh.
Is that why the two lads decided to sneak it back to Scotland (in two pieces) :D
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Aye Rena, it was repaired by a Mr Gray who had a stonemason's yard in Sauchiehall Street, he apparently made a few extra & whether the stone the students left to be discovered in Arbroath Abbey covered by a Saltire is one of them or the one from Westminster Abbey, nobody knows? ;D Celebrated in a song "The Wee Magic Stane!" Where is the real stone? that is the question!
Bests,
Skoosh.
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The question was: "Related to Mary Queen of Scots ??"