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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Rob1616 on Thursday 02 September 10 04:02 BST (UK)
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Hi,
My GG Grandfather was Thrift Watt and GG Grandmother was Agnes Dorian.
My Grandmother Agnes Watt was the oldest daughter of Briget Watt who married Munroe Gove.
Agnes came to Canada in 1919 with her husband John Kear Robertson.
I'm looking for anyone who may have information on the Watt or Dorian line.
Thanks in advance.
Rob1616 :)
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Hi
The IGI has them marrying in Fetteresso, Kincardineshire on 6th June 1868.
Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (pay site) would have their marriage details, including their parents' names and occupations.
The following children are shown for them on the IGI:
18 April 1870 Bridget
24 May 1871 Alexander
27 Dec 1873 John
and there are patron submissions for:
1876 Ann
1877 Agnes
1878 George
1879 Elspet
1880 Elizabeth
All Fetteressso
The later ones would need checking against the official records at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
An alternative check is the 1881 census:
King Street, Stonehaven, Dunnottar parish, Kincardine
GROS Ref - 255 ED 2 P 24
Watt
Thrift, 51, saddler, b. Portsoy, Banffshire
Agnes, 40, b. Ireland
Bridget, 10
Alexr, 9
John, 7
Ann, 5
Agnes, 4
Elspet, 2
Elizabeth, 7 months, b. Dunnottar (parish)
George, grandson, 3
All children except Elizabeth b. Fetteresso
The presence of a grandchild suggests that there were other children so ....
1871
59 Allardice Street, Stonehaven Fetteresso parish
GROS Ref - 258 ED 1 P 15
Watt
Thrift, 40, sadler, b. Portsoy
Agnes, 30, b. Ireland
Robert, 15,cooper, b. Aberdeen
Isabella, 10, b. Stonehaven
George, 6, b -do-
Bridget, 11 months, b -do-
It looks as if Agnes might have been Thrift's second wife.
I'll do some more checking.
Gadget
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1861
Forbes property, Stonehaven, Dunnottar parish
GROS Ref - 255 ED 9 P 2
Watt
Thrift, 33, saddler (journeyman), b. Portsoy
Isabella, 25, b. Stonehaven
Robert, 5, b. Aberdeen
Margaret, 2, b. -do-
Isabella, 11 months, b. Stonehaven
Margaret Duncan,visitor, 14, b. Stonehaven
IGI
Marriage - 17 August 1855, Aberdeen
Thrift Watt and Isabella Lees
This marriage will also be on the Scotlands People site and, as it was in 1855, there will be more information on the cert.
Gadget
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I think that this is Thrift's baptism:
14 August 1829, Fordyce, Banffshire
Parents - George Watt and Margaret Chessit (other sources have it as Chisholm)
Gadget
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I don't see anything for Agnes's birth in Ireland - either IGI or the Family Search pilot.
There is a patron submission saying that she died in 1903, Stonehaven.
Gadget
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This looks like Agnes (as Nancy) on the 1861
30 Stonehaven, Fetteresso parish
GROS Ref - 258 ED 9 P 16
Dorian
Bridget, 44, fish dealer
Nancy, 21, tile or file worker
John, 19, cooper
Charles, 16, cooper
Thomas, 13, mill worker (woollen) b. Linlithgow
Mary, 8, b. Stonehaven
Others all b. Ireland
Gadget
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An IGI patron submission for the baptism of Mary Dorian (aged 8 on the 1861)
1853 Stonehaven Parents - Thomas Dorian and Bridget Campbell
Her death - 15 June 1872, Stonehaven
As before this information will need checking
Gadget
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Bridget Dorian, other (maiden) surname Campbell, died Fetteresso in 1869, aged 52
The full certificate should give details of her parents - Scotland's People, as before.
Gadget
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I think this is Thomas Dorian and some of the children in 1851
Allardice Street, Stonehaven
GROS Ref- 258 ED 2 P 3
Dorian
Thomas, 38, labourer ?, b. Ireland
Thomas, 2, b. Fetteresso
Mary, 11, b. Ireland
John, 9, b. -do-
Charles, 6, b. -do-
Will have to check up on Bridget and Agnes/Nancy (not obvious)
Gadget
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There are a few trees on the internet which have Agnes Dorian and her parents.
Brdget's parents given as John and Ann Campbell :-\
Gadget
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Hi,
Thanks for all the great info Gadget. Really appreciate it. Lots to go have a look at.
Cheers
Rob1616 :) :)
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Hi Rob
I'll leave you to do all the charting, etc. and if you have any queries, give a shout :)
I can't find any death for Thomas Dorian (although the name seems to be mistranscribed a lot) but Bridget is down as married rather than widowed on the 1861 and Agnes's marriage in 1868 has him as not deceased :-\
Gadget
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Hi There,
You mention that Agnes was the eldest daughter of Bridget. This may confirm a rumour that my wife, the granddaughter of James Gove (bn 1908) heard that Bridget may have had a child before she met Munro, and who was living in Canada. Apparently this was strongly denied by her grandfather, but the truth seems to have come to light.
If you need any more info, let me know and I'll try and help.
All the best
Luxdan :D :D
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Hi,
Great to hear from you. Yes Anges (she was born in 1893) and my grandfather John came to Canada in 1919 and settled on a farm in Merville on Vancouver Island in British Columbia and had 10 kids. My grandma passed away in 1970, my dad James is the youngest of their children.
I have the following names of Bridget's other children:
Roy - 1897
Andrew - 1898 or 1899
Mary - 1900
Lizzie -
James - 1908
George - 1909
Martha - 1911
Sandy - 1913
Margaret -
Do you know if these are the correct dates?
Do you have any information on Bridgets siblings?
It's great to find a relative. My grandfathers family all went to New Zealand except him and one sister that stayed in Scotland. And as far as we know my grandparents were the only ones then that came to Canada.
Cheers,
Rob1616
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Hi,
Good to hear from you aswell.
The dates you have for Bridget's other children all seem to be correct. Margaret the youngest was born 1915 and there was a daughter Annie who sadly died in 1903 at the age of 5 weeks.
Bridget , was the 5th eldest of Thrift Watt's 12 children (4 with 1st wife Isabella Lees and 8 with Agnes Dorian) :
Robert Watt 1855
Margaret Watt 1858 - 1871
Isobella Watt 1860 - 1945
George Watt 1864
Bridget Watt 1870 - 1951
Alexander Watt 1871
John Watt 1873
Annie Watt 1875
Agnes Watt 1876
Elspeth Watt 1879
Elizabeth Watt 1880
Mary Watt 1883
On the 1901 Census it shows Agnes, listed as granddaughter, living with her grandparents Thrift and Agnes at 15 King Street , Stonehaven, Dunnottar, Kincardineshire. But is also shows Bridget with her husband Munro and 3 children, Munro, Andrew and Mary also listed as living at 15 King street.
Was it a coincidence tha Agnes left for Canada in 1919 the year that her grandfather died?
Did Agnes ever return to Scotland to visit ?
I've attached a photo of Bridget, and I have others of your grandmother's half brothers and sisters if your'e interested.
All the best
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Hi,
Thanks for the information and picture, we actually have that picture of Bridget, it is one of the only pictures my Gramma had. We would love to see other pictures also.
It is kinda a coincidence that she left the same year Thrift died, although I believe they had always planned to come to Canada as my Grandpa had come to Canada before the war and had property here, he returned to Scotland to fight in the war where he met and married my Gramma, their first son was born in Sept 1918, I'm not sure of the acutal month in 1919 that they came but I know it was in the winter as my Gramma talked about travelling in the snow.
Sadly my Gramma never made it back to Scotland, my Grampa died in 1938 so she was left with a farm to run and kids to raise. She often spoke of Stonehaven and although she had a good life here we believe she was always home sick for Scotland.
Thanks again, looking forward to seeing more.
Cheers.
Debbie