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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: bowman on Wednesday 01 September 10 20:15 BST (UK)
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I have recently discovered my Grandfathers sister, Winifrd Beer married Arthur George Linzell in 1887 in Haggerston, Middlesex, on his marriage cert he is down as a STONE CARVER, but by 1916 the date of his first daughters marriage, he is shown as a SCULPTOR, the 2 daughters were married in St Marks Church Noel Park Middlesex, has any body any info on the family? I am trying to find more about my Grandfathers immediate family, all from Shoreditch/Dalston/Haggerston area, any help re; the BEER side most appreciated.
Bowman
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Hi this is Winifred on the 1871 Census
1871 Census
Philip Beer 44 occ Wheelwright b Devon
Susa 39 b St Georges Middx
Alice 11 b Mile End
Susa 8 b Mile End
Winifred 7 b Mile End
John 5 b Dalston
Mary Ann 3 b Dalston
Eliza Hills Beer 56 b Woolwich Kent (Nurse )
Residing at York Terrace St Leonard Shoreditch
Census Ref RG10/473/14/22
Keyboard86
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Hi this is the marriage of Winifred's parents:-
Philip Beer to Susannah Pilbrow June 1854 Shoreditch 1c 307
Keyboard86
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Hi again this is the 1881
1881 Census
Philip Beer 54 occ Wheelwright b Gt Torrington Devon
Susannah 48 b St Georges Middx
Alice 21 occ Stationers Asst b Mile End
Susannah 18 Stationers Asst b Mile End
Winifred 17 occ Dressmaker b Mile End
John 14 occ Printer b Mile End
Mary Ann 12 b Shoreditch
Ellen 10 b Shoreditch
Residing at 46, Regents Row Shoreditch
Census Ref RG11/409/15/24
Keyboard86
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There is an earlier marriage of a Philip Beer at St Leonard, Shoreditch on 27 Dec 1841: -
Philip Beer, full age, bachelor, brewer, Castle Street to Elizabeth Pearse, full age, spinster, servant, Castle Street. Fathers - John Beer, farmer and George Pearse, maltster. Witnesses - ? .arrow and Jemima France.
Nigel
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Hi again, just found him after a search on the 1861!
Philip REED 34 occ Wheelwright b Gt Torrington Devon
Susannah 28 b St Georges
Alice 1 b Stepney
Samuel Richard 21 occ Plumber & Glazier b Gt Torrington Devon
Residing at 44, Tollit Street Stepney
Census Ref RG09/299/49/11
Keyboard86
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1891 census ref rg12 184 51 40
1901 census ref rg13 1249 44 24
Arthur died aged 86 in 1945 Brentford
Winifred died aged 76 in 1941 Edmonton
John
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It may be worth investing in a viewing of 1911 census -we are not allowed to post details copyright etc issues - you can search the index free.
on various census Arthur george Linzell gives occupation as Stone carver Mason/Artist stone carving Sculpture/ Architectural stone carver
He seems to be in employment -as opposed to "employer"
Maybe he carved the marble statues on gravestones or in churches???
Just a guess
Suz
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Hi still cannot locate on 1851, but this looks like his family in the 1841:-
Henry Beer 38 occ Glove Cutter
Ann 37
Philip 14
Winifred 12
John 10
Ann 8
Sarah 6
Mark 4
Mary 1
Ann Tucker 75
Dinah Patterson 14
Joseph Essery 25
Residing at New Street Gt Torrington Devon
All born Devonshire
Census Ref HO107/221/22/39
Keyboard86
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Hi again, and this is Philip's death:-
Philip Beer Dec 1890 aged 64 Shoreditch 1c 121
Keyboard86
And possibly his father's Henry Beer Mar 1857 Bideford 5b 369
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Thank you all for your speedy replies to my post, apart from John Hood's info regarding the deaths of Arthur and Winifred, I have all the family details of the BEER family both in Gt Torrington and Haggerston, I had hoped that I might strike lucky in that descendants of the Linzell family might have photo's of the Winifred and/or her family, I do have a photo of her brother, my Grandfather, John Henry but nothing else, but I live in hope!!
Thank you again, Keyboard86, Suzard, Nigelp, and John Hood.
Regards Bowman
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Hi Bowman, I am a descendant of the Linzell/Wallington family, I am very interested in genealogy and have been expanding my family tree, I have not come across a Arthur George Linzell yet but I reckon there must be a connection as similar area with links to Noel Park, have you been able to find out any names of his parents/siblings? I may be able to cross reference with my tree and put him in it, possibly even shed light on his extended family if I am right, thanks in advance & hope your research is going well! :)