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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Hackstaple on Wednesday 01 September 10 19:59 BST (UK)
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I seem to have come across my first Scottish relative and need some help.
My great-great-aunt Annie Emma Damary married in Marylebone in 1886. The record has the misspelling of Dammery but no matter.
Her spouse was James Constantine Curran, a professional singer. Curran wrote the song 'Football Crazy'. He was born in Donegal it seems and died in the poorhouse, a drunk. That last is rumour. He was born about 1854 by the way.
We have him on Scottish people - 1881- with Ellen W Shaw or Griffin, 55, b Limerick, his mother-in-law. That was before his marriage. At that time he seems to have an earlier wife, Mary W Shaw or Curran, age 21 and a daughter 2 months old b. Glasgow.
That is all we know. We have no further information about his second wife Annie Emma, whether they had any children, when he died, when she died.
There is false trail of a James Curran, wife Annie but he is older and born America, occupation railway guard.
We, my cousin and I, would be grateful for any further information.
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1891 has this record
Name: James Curran
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship: Son-in-Law
Spouse's name : Mary Curran
Where born: Ireland
Registration district: Calton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 13 Well St
Occupation: Music Hall Artist
Ellen Griffin 55
Mary McShane 21
Mary Curran 21
Elizabeth Curran 2 Months
James Curran 27
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Where did the information on his middle name come from?
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Sancti, is that the 1881 census you've posted?
flst
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No, 1891 from Ancestry
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Fine! By the way I've found that James was born in Donegal & brought up in Scotland, & died in 1900. See link below.
flst
www.folkinfo.org/songs/displaysong.php%3Fsongid%3D567+"james+curran"+"football+crazy"&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
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Can't see a 1900 death for him on SP
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Another article says he died in a Glasgow poorhouse in 1890's!
See link below'
flst
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/2006/03/31/fitba-crazy-after-all-these-years-86908-16884643/
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Found it
He did die 1900 in the City Poorhouse of phthisis
Married to Mary McShane his parents were Michael Curran (tailor) and Elizabeth O' Donnell
Mary the widow signed the death record.
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Think I've found James in 1881:
263 Nuneaton Street,Glasgow.
Michael Curran 40.Catherine 34, JAMES18,(born Donegal) Cotton Mill Worker
Edward 10,Annie 7,Andrew 4,Mary 1
flst
Just seen your new post. So either this is n't him, or Catherine is a stepmother?
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1891 has this record
Name: James Curran
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relationship: Son-in-Law
Spouse's name : Mary Curran
Where born: Ireland
Registration district: Calton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 13 Well St
Occupation: Music Hall Artist
Ellen Griffin 55
Mary McShane 21
Mary Curran 21
Elizabeth Curran 2 Months
James Curran 27
This James Curran appears to have married Mary McShane 5th November 1890 in Calton Glasgow .... their daughter Elizabeth was born 14th January 1891 at 13 Well Street Glasgow BUT James is described as Ship Yard Labourer. (details obtained from Birth record of Elizabeth)
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I rechecked the 1881 census.Michael was a journeyman tailor. The son Edward was born in Londonderry c1871, daughter Annie was born in Glasgow c1874. Looks like this is the correct James. Perhaps his career was still in it's infancy & he did work at the ship yard?
flst
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There should be information to be gleaned off the poorhouse archives?
flst
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Hi All
Might be good Hackstaple if you could confirm James Constance Curran's father's name from the 1886 marriage you have in Marylebone (I can only see the marriage banns). The marriage does show on Freebmd in 1st Qrt 1886 in Marylebone. Worries me birth year you quote of c. 1854 with what has been found so far...or did you mean 1864 which fits better?
There is one IGI birth showing in Donegal with the parents' names you found Sancti on that 1900 death:
RODGER CURREN Birth: 04 JUN 1864, Moville, Donegal, Ireland
Parents: MICHAEL CURREN and ELIZABETH O'DONNELL
Likely James' birth was before this date and the start of all statutory registrations in Ireland (to include RC events).
The 1890 marriage that Falkryn found for a James Curran and Mary McShane would also let you confirm his marital status at the time of the marriage to confirm he showed as a widower.
Monica
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Hi
Are you sure they really went to Scotland? Maybe they stayed in Marylebone. See my note to Paul.
Pity about Football Crazy because I used to sing along to that as a kid.
Happy hunting, cousin of a cousin
Katie
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Thank you all. I have passed all of this on to my cousin Paul.
But keep it coming if any new data turns up.
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I have found the Damary family in the 1871 & 1881 censuses. In both instances the address is; 8 Hardington Place,London. In 1881 - Head of the house is Alfred 44, a grainer, his wife Mary 38, children - Frederick 18,Albert E. 15,Charles 14, William 10, ANNIE E.16, Maud M.1. Also there is a niece,Charlotte Smallman 21, & a lodger, William Plummer 21.
Hope this helps,
flst
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Thanks flst. I have several hundred Damary documents I suppose - under all sorts of spellings.
It is is only this particular Damary, Annie E, who interests me. Although a couple of years back the origins of Mary were a mystery and also the niece Charlotte but persistence paid off and those were resolved.