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I am looking for the names of the occupants of two addresses in Glasgow for 1935 - 238 Cardowan Road, Carntyne, and 84 Hathaway Street. Are there any electoral registers/street directories available on line?
ziggie
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Hi
The Scottish library
Scottish Library
Address: Edinburgh Central Library, George IV Bridge, EDINBURGH, EH1 1EG
Tel: 0131 242 8070
E-mail: central.scottish.library@edinburgh.gov.uk
holds these records
Glasgow Post Office Directory
1846-1908; 1911-15; 1919-21; 1923-74
Kelly's Directory of Glasgow
1933; 1937-73
which may help you - or some kind soul on here might either have these or have a better idea!!
Don't know of any online, sorry, but it's a start anyway!!
gordon5
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Thank you gordon5, it's a start. I don't live local so am unable to get there - I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope some kind person will look up for me.
ziggie
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Hi Ziggie
You could email the Mitchell Library in Glasgow, I've always found the staff there very helpful, below is a link to the website
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/Library_Services/The_Mitchell/
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Thank you purplekat, I'll give them a try.
ziggie
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You will find a 1927 Glasgow Street and name directory online here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glasgow/index-glas.htm
May be of some help with the names and addresss that you have.
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Thank you greenrig, I have already looked at this but it is a little too early.
ziggie
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I have just bought a compendium of Glasgow PO Directories... :D
I don't have 1935 but here is extract for 33-34..
Glasgow Post Office Directory 1933-1934:
Hathaway Street, Maryhill, NW
84 Lavery, J
.. sorry but Cardowan Road (Stepps / Carntyne area ?) is not in the directory.
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Hi Greenrig
Can I be cheeky and ask for a look up 1933-34
4 Bright Street - Surname Kelly
51 Pollok Street - Paterson or MacIntyre
Thanks in anticipation
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Happy to help. But no luck, sorry :'(
Pollok St - nothing listed between 41 and 59
Bright St - nothing between 3 and 17
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Thanks for checking anyway Greenrig
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Hi greenrig
Thank you for looking up 1933-34 directory - I see that J Lavery was resident at 84 Hathaway Street in the 1927 directory also. I understand from the Mitchell library that one had to pay to be included in the directories so it is a fair assumption that most people chose not to probably because they couldn't afford it. I didn't realise that there were two Cardowan Roads in Glasgow but the information I have is definitely Carntyne and not Steppes. It looks like my best option is to go for the electoral registers.
ziggie
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Yes you're right about the PO directories. It is primarily a BUSINESS document.
There is a Street Directory but the first part of the book is an alphabetical list of Businesses. In the Street Directory, many of the names are of the same people who were also in the business section. If you ran a shop, a pub, a doctors, or any kind of business you would pay to be in.
If you were just an ordinary working family, sharing a rented close, stair, flat or rooms, then I think it is less likely that you will be in the PO directory. As the directory moves out of the tenement streets and into streets of owner-occupier detached and semis, then the coverage becomes more comprehensive, but still not complete - there are many missing house numbers.
All the above is my interpretation; I welcome other views.
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Could you tell me what a rented close is - I am not familiar with Scottish terminology.
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A typical Glasgow tenement is a long terrace - it is frequently four or five stories high. A common stairway would give access to four or so apartments (or flats, in Glasgow terminology), on each floor.
The stairway was at the back of the building and a corridor reached from the street (or pavement) to the stair foot.
This corridor was called "the close" - and, by association, the close came to mean "all the people in the flats on my stair" - "...she and I live in the same close..." It was the close that carried the house number.
Thus a close might house anything up to 20 families (or more, as in bygone times more than one family might share a flat). Each stair landing would have the one, and only, toilet for all the flats. or the toilet may have been downstairs and out the back ("the cludgie", and many other names)....
A common washhouse (for clothes washing) would also have been out the back.
... and some people say their is no such thing as progress.....
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For a good description (albeit possibly idealised) of life in a Glasgow tenement in the early 20th century, read Molly Weir's autobiography "Shoes Were For Sunday" - it gives a great sense of the ordinary person's way of life.
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Thank you for the explanation.
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Hello I just joined today and saw your post.
In 1937 at 238 cardowan road the occupant was Hunter Wm. Wilson and at 84 Hathaway Street the name is listed as Fletcher Joseph.
I have a copy of Kelly's directory of Glasgow 1937 so not sure about 1935.
stripey
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Thank you very much stripey. I was looking for William Hunter and being given a second name is a bonus. I will have to look at Joseph Fletcher to see if there is a connection.
ziggie
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Glad to have helped in your search. Good luck.
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ziggie, the houses in Cardowan Road, Carntyne were built, I think, between the wars. They are semi's or four a block.
Tenements were not only built for the working class, some are very posh indeed and the occupants had servants. The one I was born in (no servants) had two flats to a floor with a one roomed appartment in the middle, known as a "Single-End".
Skoosh.
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Check this, http://www.flickr.com/fotos_by_findlay/5685463336/
Skoosh.
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Hi Skoosh
Thank you for the link to Tenements; I found it very interesting and also surprised at the different type of occupants of these buildings.
ziggie
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hi ziggie,
was in mitchell library to day have made a list of occupants for 84 hathaway street from voters roll have done year 1935/6 and 1936/7 unfortunatley couldnt do 1934/5 the the roll books for that year are away for preservation work and the girl at library said they shouldnt be away to long there are 22 names listed for 1935/6 at 84 hathaway street and for year 1936/7 23 i have scrawled them down and can photo copy them to you if any help also i stay just round corner from hathaway street and could take photo for you the houses are now a bit different fron 1935 in as much you do not enter the closemouths from hathaway street you now enter the building from the back closes at hathaway lane the original front closes are now bricked up, hope this may be of help to you
harrywrag
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I would like to thank everybody for their help.
ziggie
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I am looking for the names of the occupants of two addresses in Glasgow for 1935 - 238 Cardowan Road, Carntyne, and 84 Hathaway Street. Are there any electoral registers/street directories available on line?
The short answer is no.
You need to go, or get someone to go, to the Mitchell Library in Glasgow. There are three possible sources
- street directories which list most businesses and some householders, but not all
- valuation rolls which list the names of the proprietor, tenant and occupier (householder) of every dwelling, but not the names of other people in the household
- electoral registers, which list all those eligible and registered to vote. By 1935 that means all those aged over 21 who had completed the annual forms. However they don't separate out different households in tenements which share the same street address.