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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: adriatikfan on Monday 30 August 10 19:13 BST (UK)
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My great Uncle, Private Thomas Green (33707, 2nd Bn., Yorkshire Regiment), died on on 10 May 1918 and is buried at Esquelbecq cemetery near the Belgian Border.
I am a complete novice with regard to accessing military records and basically am in a position where I don't know what I don't know!
How much information can I reasonably expect to be able to unearth?
Also, why would a young lad from Wolverhampton end up in the Yorkshire regiment? (rather than, for example, one of the Staffs' regiments?)
Thanks for taking the time to look.
Best Wishes
David
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Hi David,
I've been unable to find a service record for your great uncle, but less than 40% survive; many were destroyed in the blitz.
His medal card shows entitlement to the Victory Medal and the British War Medal.
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David
As has already been stated most records are destroyed thanks to the Blitz..However there are ways and means to still work out where he would have been etc and when he enlisted using other mens documents that either died or survived the blitz(casualties are easier to research)
The best place to start would be the local papers..Usually an obituary was posted and you may get lucky and get a photo.
The Unit War Diary at Kew will tell you what the battalion was up to at the time of his death.You can get some of these downloaded on Docs Online at the NA website but not all units!
He didnt go overseas til after Jan 1916 as no Star was issued and Service in the Green Howards(Yorkshire Regiment) is not uncommon after conscription in 1916 lads went wherever they were needed....My gt Uncle was KIA with 6th Yorkshires in 1917.
http://www.ww1-yorkshires.org.uk/
Maybe if the Mods could move to WW1 board youll get more answers?
Ady
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Thank you both for your suggestions - that is a very helpful start.
Best Wishes
David
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http://www.wolverhamptonwarmemorials.org.uk/
David
forgot to add Doug Lewis Wolverhampton site...excellent resource for that area :)
Ady
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The war diary of the 2nd Battalion Yorkshire Regiment is available to download from the National Archives - it will cost you £3.50.
Go to: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
Type in Yorkshire Regiment
date range 1914 - 1920
Department code WO 95
Click on search - then scroll down the page until you find the 2nd Battalion ref: WO 95/1809
Click on that - then click on Ordering and Viewing options
Then click on View this online
You can then add it to shopping - pay your £3.50 and download it. It comes with several other units - so you will have to go thorough the records of battalions you don't want to find the one you do.
Good hunting,
jds1949
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The war diary of the 2nd Battalion Yorkshire Regiment is available to download from the National Archives - it will cost you £3.50.
Go to: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
Type in Yorkshire Regiment
date range 1914 - 1920
Department code WO 95
Click on search - then scroll down the page until you find the 2nd Battalion ref: WO 95/1809
Click on that - then click on Ordering and Viewing options
Then click on View this online
You can then add it to shopping - pay your £3.50 and download it. It comes with several other units - so you will have to go thorough the records of battalions you don't want to find the one you do.
Good hunting,
jds1949
Thank you so much for this information/advice. I have accessed the war diary and it seems that Thomas Green (my great Uncle) must have died from wounds received at one of the battles of Dickebusch lake which started with gas canister attack on May 8th and then a heavy bombardment on May 9th which 'obliterated the trenches' after which 'the enemy' stormed the ridge.
The cemetery at Esquelbecq is almost 25 miles from Dickebush Lake (now Dikkebus) and there is no mention in the War Diary of survivors being transported anywhere. I've picked up snippets of information from various sites this afternoon that there were military field hospitals in Esquelbecq. (That will introduce a whole new line of research).
Thank you again - this has been invaluable help.
Best Wishes
David
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You may also find the Western Front Assocation - www.westernfrontassociation.com - useful.
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You may also find the Western Front Assocation - www.westernfrontassociation.com - useful.
Thank you
David
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British War Graves Commission keeps a full record of casualties for WWI along with the cemeteries they were buried in.
Of special and very personal interest you might also want to check Pierre:
(*), as I did in locating my uncle's grave in France. Pierre keeps a fantastic record along with sites and population of all cemeteries. He even went so far to send me a picture of my uncle's grave in Unicorn Cemetery.
Incidentally, no one was restricted to any particular regiment purely because of residence. My uncle, who was KIA shortly before the Armistice, belonged to the Essex Regiment, even though he was a native of Madeley, Cheshire. He had also served in a Derby regiment.
Just type in the info about your relative on the British War Graves Commision form and they will post a result immediately. You access it by typing: British War Graves Commission.
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This is the basic information on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission's Debt of Honour Register:
GREEN, THOMAS
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Yorkshire Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Age: 20
Date of Death: 10/05/1918
Service No: 33707
Additional information: Son of William and Mary Green, of 213, Steelhouse Lane, Wolverhampton.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. C. 6.
Cemetery: ESQUELBECQ MILITARY CEMETERY
Here is the website for CWGC, where you can search on the cemetery name and find more about it:
http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp
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I used a website called fourteeneighteen and they compiled a complete record of my Grandfathers service in WW1 , as already discussed some War documents are missing but I found it really interesting to find out where his regiment went at which times.
You will have to pay for them to research but I think it is worth it especially if you are a bit of a novice
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I used a website called fourteeneighteen and they compiled a complete record of my Grandfathers service in WW1 , as already discussed some War documents are missing but I found it really interesting to find out where his regiment went at which times.
You will have to pay for them to research but I think it is worth it especially if you are a bit of a novice
I think most of the int that they will dig up, has already been dug up or pointed to by these good people, and its much more fun to do oneself, esp now as you know where to look!
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I prefer to let the experts help , there is always someone else with more knowledge than ones self
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I prefer to let the experts help , there is always someone else with more knowledge than ones self
Youd be surprised what expertise there is here! And what some of us do /have done for a living!!