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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: millih on Saturday 28 August 10 22:49 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Please help me find Henry TIPPING and family. ???
This is what I have:-
Henry TIPPING, b. about 1818
married Eliza __?__, b. 1818 or 1821
Children:- Louisa Ann TIPPING, b. abt 1837; chr. 1847 St Pancras, Lnd
Emily Eliza TIPPING, b. abt 1839 ; chr. 1847 St Pancras, Lnd
Frances Mary TIPPING, b. abt 1841 ; chr. 1847 St Pancras, Lnd
Edward TIPPING, b. 1844 ; chr. 1847 St Pancras, Lnd
Henrietta TIPPING, b. abt 1847 ; chr. 1847 St Pancras, Lnd
Evelyn TIPPING, b. abt 1851 ; chr. 1865 St Leonard's, Shoreditch, Lnd
P.S - The surname TIPPIN was also used....in 1851, I think.
What I would love to know:-
1. Where was Henry born?
2. What was Eliza's surname?
3. When & where did Henry & Eliza marry?
I've tried for a few years now to find more info on this TIPPING family but without subscriptions, I'm lost. I hope the RootsChatters can help.
Thank you VERY much. :-*
Milli
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Frances Mary & Edward and Henrietta all baptised 20.3.1847 - Henry was a plasterer
Louisa and Emily were both baptised on 10.4.1847 - Henry is shown as a plasterer - deceased
Evelyn baptised 10.5.1865 - Henry was a carpenter - deceased
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Marriage 11.1.1847 at St Luke Old St Islington
Henry Tipping bachelor - plasterer - father Thomas Tipping bricklayer
to Eliza Ann Read spinster father Edward Read - carpenter
Witnesses Thomas Tipping and Edward (looks like) Lucy - definitely not Read
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St George Bloomsbury - Baptism 26.7.1818 - birth 4.11.1817
Henry Tipping parents Thomas (bricklayer) and Ann address Cromer St St Pancras
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Hi CaroleW,
Thank you for the reply...and so fast! ;D
Henry has me very confused....deceased by Apr 1847....yet Evelyn was born in 1851??? :o
I also had his death around that time (from FREEBMD) but then the birth of Evelyn made me think I have the wrong Henry???? Oh dear.....that saying "Who's your Daddy" (with respect) comes to mind. ;)
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Carole, you give info faster than I can reply to your first post....your amazing!!! Took me years to get nothing....you only need minutes!!!
Thank you, Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
A family member in New Zealand will be very happy to get this info. Thank you!
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My theory is that Henry knew he was dying and that's why they married
Burials St George The Martyr Camden - Henry Tipping aged 29 on 24.2.1847 so before the baptisms on 20.3.1847 when he is not shown as deceased - mmmmm
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mmmmm, indeed. I like your theory. Maybe Evelyn's date of birth is incorrect??
May I ask you another favour?
Can you see what happened to Louisa Ann & Frances Mary. I found some info on the other children but nothing for them.
Many thanks
Milli
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Maybe Evelyn's date of birth is incorrect
No - clearly shown as 5 December 1851 on the baptismal record - I think Eliza was being rather naughty there saying father was Henry. Did you notice his occupation was given as carpenter - not plasterer, which was her fathers occupation on the marriage cert
I'll check the other 2 children out and see what I can find
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You're a STAR. Thank you....in your own time, no hurry. I'm off to bed now, will catch up later.
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Hi, on mobile so can only give ref to help with this ,
RG09/209/94/32
Keyboard86
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You keep them coming Keyboard!!
Here's the full 1861 entry you found indexed as Tapping
No 4 Cellar Hope Chapel Finsbury
Eliza Ann Tipping 40 widow b Leatherhead Surrey - occ bush drawer
Louisa 21 b St Pancras
Henrietta 13 b St Pancras
Evelyne 10 b West Ham Essex
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The best I can come up with is this marriage
29.9.1861 at St Thomas, Charterhouse Islington
John James Ball bachelor full age - stationer - father William Thomas Ball bookbinder
Louise Anette Tipping spinster full age father Henry - deceased no occupation shown
Witnesses William James Ball and Anne Ball
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Keyboard, thank you for the reference and CaroleW thank you for the look-up.
CaroleW, I think Louise Anette and Louisa Ann Tipping is the same person. If you look at the 1881 census, the children's names are mostly family names...if you can use that as some sort of guide line :-\ and her date of birth also fits in nicely.
Frances Mary seems to be a mystery. Is there another online website for the London area offering more or less the same as the IGI website (pre 1837)? I'm not very familier with the British systems :'( ...from South Africa.
Thank you for all the help, soooooo much appreciated.
Milli
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I'm not having any luck with Frances Mary. There is a marriage in 1867 in Oldham Lancs but I have checked them out on the 1871 and her birthplace was entirely different
Just to keep things flowing - here they are in 1851 indexed as Tippin. However -Evelyn's baptismal record shows her birthdate as 5.12.1851 - nine months after this census entry!! It must have been December 1849 for her to be 1yr old in 1851
Living in West Ham Essex. All children b St Pancras except Evelyn
Eliza A Tipping 31 b Leatherhead Surrey - widow - brush drawer
Louisa 12
Emily 10
Frances 8
Edward 6
Henrietta 4
Evelyn 1 b West Ham Essex
HO107 Piece 1768 Folio 401 Page 43
There is a possible marriage for Henry's parents on 23.8.1807 St Giles in the Fields Thomas Tipping to Ann Houghton witnesses E Poole and William Houghton
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CaroleW,
Thank you for trying with Frances Mary and for all the other look-ups. Yip, Evelyn is quite a confusing case. Looks like she eventually married William Thomas Spiers and their children weren't very keen on getting married. Three of the five daughters didn't get married, neither did their only son.
I have found a whole extended family for Louise Ann Tipping, with one very interesting person, Lazarus Addis, b. 1864. Seems that he was born in Poland and married one of Louise's daughters, Emily Edith Ball. Then in 1902 he left for Quebec Canada and I couldn't find him in the UK after that. Poor Emily, a single parent in those days couldn't have been easy.
Thank you again and hope I can press on your button for future help.
Warmest regards
Milli
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Hi
Just looked at this thread.
My Great Grandfather was Edward Ernest Ball, son of John James Ball & Louise Annette Tipping.
What is your connection to the Tippings?
Interesting to read comments on Evelyn, she has had us wondering too. You know, I hadn't spotted the discrepancy between her given birth date and the census. She shouldn't have been born at the time of the 1851 census should she? Hmmmm... All a bit of a mystery really!
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Hi Doodles,
I'm so glad you saw this thread. We are related to Louisa A Tipping's brother, Edward Tipping. One of his daughters (Clara Tipping) married our Great Grandfather, Herbert A Bonson.
Yes, have to agree with you, Evelyn's "story" is very confusing, yet interesting!
Glad to see Edward E Ball had a family, I have never been able to find any information on him or most of his siblings, only on two of his sisters, Evelyn Isabel who married a Vallance and Emily Edith who married an Addis.....if my info is correct.
Do you have any info on Edward Tipping, Louisa/e Annette's brother?
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Hi Millih
I'm afraid I don't have any more info on Edward. I wonder whether Edward Ernest (Ball) was named for his uncle Edward?
I have found many of the Tippings in censuses all living in the Cromer Street area of St Pancras, all in the building trade. Also living in the area was Edward Read, carpenter, father to Eliza Ann. They were living there about the time St Pancras station and surrounding area was being built - I wonder if they were employed there? Mum & I had a look around that area recently, but sadly it has all been rebuilt, except for the station of course!
Edward Ernest was a bit of a naughty boy, leaving his first wife, and 5 children, for my Great Grandmother, who was much younger than him. We have found the divorce papers his wife served on him in 1923 - the first time women could file for divorce. He then had 3 more children with my Gt Granny. We knew nothing of all this before starting our family research!
Do you have any more info about the Tippings?
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Hi Doodles
Here is what I have:
Henry TIPPING married Eliza Ann READ and had the following children:
Louisa A TIPPING (1836-1918) + John J BALL
Emily Eliza TIPPING (1838-?) + George JENNER
Frances Mary TIPPING (1841-?)
Edward TIPPING (1844-1928) + Eliza ASHDOWN
Henrietta TIPPING (1847-1907) + Thomas J GALE
Evelyn TIPPING (1851-1896) + William Thomas SPIERS
Edward TIPPING (1844 - 1928) married Eliza ASHDOWN (1846 - 1906) and had these children:
Eliza TIPPING (1867 - 1912) + Godfrey GOUGH
- Doris Kathleen M GOUGH (1894 - ?)
Bertha TIPPING (1871 - 1873)
Alice TIPPING (1873 - ?) + Reginald ASHFORD
- Alice ASHFORD (1900 - ?)
- Florence ASHFORD (1904 - ?)
Clara TIPPING (1874 - 1955) + Herbert BONSON (1868 - 1952) ---she went to South Africa
- Herbert E BONSON
- Winifred M BONSON
- Bernard S BONSON
- Joan S BONSON
Gertrude TIPPING (1881 - 1959) + E Snelling ---they went to South Africa
- Doris SNELLING
- Douglas SNELLING
- Beatrice SNELLING
- Mavis SNELLING
- Dennis SNELLING
- Bernard SNELLING
Do you have any info on the Lazarus ADDIS that married Emily Edith BALL? I see he left her in about 1902 with quite a few children. There is a departure record for him to Canada but no return record.
Hope to hear from you!
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Thanks Millih
I recognise most of those names, but, funnily enough, hadn't found Edward's marriage.
I don't know any more about Lazarus Addis (great name!). Seems he may have abandoned his family...
I had some contact with someone whose wife was descended from the Gale family that Henrietta married into, but he didn't have any more information on the Tippings.
From the censuses it seems that Henry had other siblings - Rebecca, Frances & James at least. Other Tippings of a similar age living in the same area include Thomas, William and John, maybe other siblings?
I have also found a baptism for an Eliza Ann Read on 15.1.1817 in Leatherhead, parents Edward & Ann and of a brother, George Edward on 21.11.1819 - our Eliza says she is from Leatherhead on the 1851 census so this seems to fit.
On another note, I see you have Van der Westhuizen in your surname interests. Is this a common name in SA? I have a friend in UK with that surname!
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Hi Doodles,
Thanks for all the info. To add to Eliza Ann Read, I have a sister for her in my tree, Frances Mary Read, baptised 15 Mar 1815. (Please let me know if I'm incorrect)
As for the marriage between Edward Tipping and Eliza Ashdown, I only have this reference: Mar 1866 - Lewisham - Vol 1d Pg 934. Regarding Lazarus Addis, I have been poking around for a day or two and found that he went to the US via Canada and lived in New Jersey. It also seems that he got married and divorced(second time) there and had at least one child, Abraham Addis, born 1907. I can't find a marriage record. He is described as "British-Hebrew" on the 1930 US Census record....I think I saw it there.
Your question on the 'van der Westhuizen' surname, it is my maiden surname! It is quite popular but probably not amongst the top 'most common surnames'.....maybe just below them. Traditionally, 'van der Westhuizen' is more prevalent in the Afrikaans speaking community. I'm trying to gather info on my side of the family but unfortunately on-line records in South Africa....well lets just say....they aren't "great".
Thank you for the names of probable siblings of Henry Tipping, I will go and investigate.
Maybe you can help me with this one--Evelyn Spiers (Tipping) had two daughters, Clarissa & Caroline--do you know what happened to them?
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Hi
I'm not sure what happened to Clarissa (baptised Clara Sarah!) or Caroline, but I have found other children of William & Evelyn Spiers: Evelyn (1875), Harriett (1877), William Alfred (1879) and Minnie Louise (1881). there was also a Henry James born in 1883 but he died in 1885. Not sure what happened to all these children, although a William Alfred Spiers did marry in 1908 in Islington.
I also discovered that Evelyn, the mother, died in 1896. She wasn't very old, maybe 45. In 1911 William is living with his three daughters, Evelyn, Clarissa & Caroline - I expect you've found that. It seems that perhaps eldest daughter Evelyn didn't marry & stayed looking after her dad?
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Hi Doodles,
Thank you for all the information. This is enough to keep me going for a while! I found information on the rootsweb.com site regarding Henry Tipping. According to the informant, Henry married an Eliza Perkin and not Eliza Read....what do you think?
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Hi Again.
I have a wedding certificate for a Henry Tipping & Eliza Read and a birth certificate for Henrietta Tipping, parents Henry Tipping and Eliza Ann, formerly Read, so I'm quite happy that she was Read. I also have a death certificate for Henry Tipping. All these certificates date between 11.1.1847 - 17.2 1847 (marriage, birth, death in that order). Henry was only 29 - he died of cancer of the lungs, a risk from being a plasterer in those times. It seems a sad story! Eliza also had her children baptised in March & April of 1847 - maybe to try and legitimise the ones born out of wedlock?
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Hi Doodles,
Well, I suppose the one with the records on hand is the one to trust. Thanks for the reply!