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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: wicklow way on Saturday 28 August 10 08:44 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I've been looking for the possible death/burial place of my ggg grandmother and grandfather. He was baptised in Rathdrum (COI) in 1831 and seem to have lived there during his first marriage (COI)and later during his marriage (RC) to my ggg grandmother.
They were both alive in 1901 and by 1911 she was a widow. Yesterday, I looked at burial places in Rathdrum (RC) and Greenan (RC) but graves dated from around the late 1940-1950s. I also checked the (COI) grave yard in Rathdrum but had no luck.
Is there a register of deaths/burials I can check? I have looked through the Wicklow Headstone Index for the areas close to Rathdrum but have had no luck.
Any guidance would be much appreciated
Wicklow way
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I've been looking for the possible death/burial place of my ggg grandmother and grandfather. He was baptised in Rathdrum (COI) in 1831...
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Is there a register of deaths/burials I can check?
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You can search for death registrations on the Irish BMD Index (http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails&c=fs%3A1408347) on familysearch (this covers up to 1958). Death certs do not state place of burial, but finding an exact date may help locate a death notice in a local newspaper which may possibly mention the cemetery.
see also : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Hi Shane,
Thank you for your help once again!.
I had checked the Irish BMD Index but nothing came up. But when I put in my details again I got what I think may be my ggg grandfather and his son also David, both died 1906.
Despite a large family, I can't seem to find many of them on the Death Index.
Whilst looking at the Index, I see the Rathdown district has some names which could be related. Which area does this cover? Would Rathdrum be included in this by any chance?
Thanks again
Wicklow way
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Rathdown registration distrct covers areas of south east co. Dublin and north of Co. Wicklow down to about Greystones on the east coast and inland to Enniskerry.
Rathdrum is the largest registration district in the county, and covers a much of the east of the county to the south of Rathdown district, and includes towns such as Kilcoole, Newtownmountkennedy, and south to Rathnew, Glenealy, Redcross, Arklow, Rathdrum town & Wickow town.
Shane
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Thanks for that Shane.
I wasn't too sure if part of the Rathdrum area might be included in the Rathdown District.
Whilst looking at archives of Rootsweb, there is a mention of an Abraham Atkinson, died 25th November 1870 in the Workhouse, Rathdown, consumption 10 days. There is a possible connection as my ggg grandfather David had a brother called Abner. Will have to look into this some more.
Also mentioned were deaths for Abner Atkinson 24th August 1870 , 88yrs, pensioner, married - Davids Father and Maria Atkinson, certified death Rathdrum - Davids wife..
I have also found that David and Marias son David died between Jan-April 1906, David himself died between April- June 1906 and their daughter Elizabeth died between April- June 1906. I will have to get their death certs to find cause of deaths. This is terribly sad, all that loss.......
Does anyone know of earlier burial grounds in the Rathdrum area for COI & RC 1870s - 1920
Any other guidance much appreciated
Wicklow way
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Abraham Atkinson, died 25th November 1870 in the Workhouse, Rathdown, consumption 10 days
not quite on topic, but the Workhouse is now St Colmcille's Hosp in Loughlinstown.
I've been looking at the O.S. maps for the area round Rathdrum, but I can't see any obvious cemeteries, other than those you mention.
There may be small graveyards around other churches - I know there's one in Asknagap(RC), but that's a bit further ...
eadaoin
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Hi eadaoin,
Yes, I looked up the Rathdown Workhouse after Shanew147 pointed out the area involved and found out some very interesting things about it. I didn't realise it was on the site where St. Colmcilles now stands.
I will look at Asknagap and see if there is anything relating to my search.
Thank you for your help
regards
Wicklow way
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Kilcommon Graveyard (a small old graveyard up in a field just outside Rathdrum, on the Glenealy road, is a possibility. There are gravestones there from at least 1735 to the 1930's (not exact, just based on a visit). Hope that helps.
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Have you taken a look at:
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=windows-1252&query=atkinson
which may show some of your Atkinsons.
Abner Atkinson is mentioned.
Cheers
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Brian J Cantwell Memorials;
Rathdrum COI;
Atkinson David. erected by Abner Atkinson, in memory of his 2 sons, David, died A D 1824 (6)
William, died A D 1829
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Robert Atkinson; 8/5/1809 (8)
erected by his father, Sergt in the North Mayo Militia.
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Jack
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Hi Venezia,
I have looked out for Kilcommon graveyard many times but can't seem to find it. ??? Before I know where I am, I have reached either Glenealy or Rathdrum without locating the graveyard ::) Will continue to look out for it so thank you for your reply.
Hi LH,
Thank you for that! I have seen the information Re: Abner Atkinson in the Petty Session Records and will have a good look at the other info to see if any of it is relevant to my Rathdrum Atkinsons.
Hi Jack,
Thank you so much for that information! I had looked around the graveyard in Rathdrum but was unable to see any headstones for my Atkinsons. I have Baptism Records for my ggg grandfather David William b. 1831 and his brother William b. 1825. Abner must have had another son David before my ggg grandfather was born and I wonder if this is William b. 1825. Are the Cantwell Memorials taken from Church Registers and where can I look for these?
As for Robert Atkinson, his name hasn't come up in my search yet but will keep that info just in case.
Many thanks to you all
Wicklow way :)
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I have looked out for Kilcommon graveyard many times but can't seem to find it. ??? Before I know where I am, I have reached either Glenealy or Rathdrum without locating the graveyard ::) Will continue to look out for it so thank you for your reply.
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Are the Cantwell Memorials taken from Church Registers and where can I look for these?
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Cantwell compiled his documents based on visible headstones.
I almost sure I worked out directions for Kilcommon graveyard for someone before - I'll have a look for these, and let you know ..
S.
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Hi Shane,
That would be great, thank you!
Wicklow Way :)
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Yes, they came from Cantwell, and he gives Kilcommon COI as in Tinahely Wicklow.
Jack
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The town of Tinahely is the base for the Church of Ireland parish of Kilcommon, and the graveyard is on the outskirts of the town and to the south east. It's located in the townland of Churchland, just south of the R747.
Churchland townland, Tinhely (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,704045,672414,6,9) (OSI Map)
Tinahely town to Churchland (http://www.google.ie/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Tinahely,+County+Wicklow&daddr=churchland&hl=en&geocode=FT2lJQMd81ud_yl5iFxV9u1nSDFQfjGXqccACg%3BFVmUJQMdyHad_ymZFOec5e1nSDEC27m6p8cAJg&mra=ls&sll=52.798792,-6.46451&sspn=0.013622,0.041757&ie=UTF8&ll=52.796638,-6.458244&spn=0.013623,0.041757&z=15) (google maps)
View of the church & graveyard (http://www.google.ie/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Tinahely,+County+Wicklow&daddr=churchland&hl=en&geocode=FT2lJQMd81ud_yl5iFxV9u1nSDFQfjGXqccACg%3BFVmUJQMdyHad_ymZFOec5e1nSDEC27m6p8cAJg&mra=ls&sll=52.798792,-6.46451&sspn=0.013622,0.041757&ie=UTF8&ll=52.793368,-6.457944&spn=0.006176,0.041757&z=15&layer=c&cbll=52.793372,-6.457925&panoid=o7mEXJFJZwgGzhyHIAAIJQ&cbp=11,142.54,,0,0.18) (google street view)
Shane
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Hi Shane and Jack,
Thank you both for for all that information. I had been directed to the Glenealy and not the Tinahely road to look for Kilcommon Graveyard so it is no surprise I couldn't find it!
Wicklow way
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HI,
Kilcommon graveyard up a lane, half way between Rathdrum & Glenealy. Not marked, Think the lane is on the right hand side when coming from Rathdrum. Just before a sharp bend.
There was a workhouse in Rathdrum, and now built beside the site is St Colmans Hospital. The graveyard for the work house is up a lane past the community school. People were buried in mass graves and unmarked. I don't think there is records but could be wrong.
COI graveyard in rathdrum is around St Saviours church. on the main street.
Other possible places for COI is Ballinatone Grave yard & Church on the rd between Greenane & Ballinaclash behind a high hedge. the COI church in Glenealy have a grave yard around it. There is a COI church in laragh but no grave yard.
Rathdown is near greystones not rathdrum. Rathdrum in the Griffith Valuation 1846 done prior to the famine is known as the UNION OF RATHDRUM, Parish of Knockrath or Kilcommon depends on which one u are looking up.
Regards Tochar
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I think there are two separate places named Kilcommon - one is a civil / Church of Ireland parish located in the barony of Ballinacor which contains the town of Tinahely, and the other Kilcommon parish (aka Kilcolman) is in the barony of Newcastle and located 1˝ miles north east of Rathdrum.
Kilcommon 1 (http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/K/Kilcommon-Ballinacor-Wicklow.php) / Kilcommon 2 (http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/K/Kilcommon-Newcastle-Wicklow.php) (Samuel Lewis, Topagraphical Directory of Ireland, 1837)
Shane
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Hi Tochar,
I am familiar with most of the information you posted, but thank you for your reply!
Hi Shane,
I think that finally clears up any confusion about Kilcommon, so many thanks once again!
Wicklow way :)