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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: Aussie1947 on Thursday 26 August 10 04:33 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm reseaching the family of John and Margaret Ross (nee McDonald) from Kilmuir.
I believe that John & Margaret ross had the following children
Ronald Ross born abt 1809 farmed at Kendram and married firstly Dorcas McKinnon then Ann McLeod.
Alexander Ross born abt 1811 migrated to NSW on the Ontario in 1852 with wife F;ora and children and died on the voyage.
Donald Ross born abt 1816 in Kilmuir probably stayed on Skye.
Hugh Ross born abt 1821 in Kilmuir probably stayed on Skye
Flora Ross born abt 1832 in Kilmuir probably stayed on Skye
Christy Ross born abt 1824 in Kilmuir probably stayed on skye.
John Ross born abt 1826 married Flora Nicholson 1853 then migrated to Victoria Australia on the New Zealander in 1853
Katherine Ross born about 1831 migrated with John Ross and his wife to Victoria in 1853.
I'm at a brick wall with any information on Donald, Hugh, Flora and Christy Ross.
They probably resided, farmed and married in Kilmuir around Duntulm, Balmaqueen or Kendram.
Any assistance about Donald, Hugh, Flora and Christy would be appreciated.
Regards
Gerry
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http://www.familysearch.org/
Found Hugh and Flora on this Search. Please double check everything from this website as I have a relative who 'died' in 1777 and still managed to get married in 1811. Parents, wife etc all check out except for this anomaly of death date 1777
We are researching Alexander Ross married to Ann Harper.
Hope this helps you. If you need a bit more info contact me
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Hi zavrou
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Just a general comment when using IGI at www.familysearch.org. Always when using this database from LDS confirm for the entry you are looking at whether the source of the information is from the parish/statutory registers. If so, you should be able to find a corresponding entry on the official Scottish BMD/OPR site which includes the original images from these registers at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Sometimes for an entry you will see Form submitted by a member of the LDS Church. It is these records that need to be treated with care and every attempt made to verify elsewhere. Whilst a useful guide in many cases, member submitted entries can be plain wrong, as you have already found.
Every entry on IGI includes under 'messages' the source of the information.
Monica :)
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Zavrou,
Thanks for the information, I'll check it out. I have had some success with a couple of some Ross family members who came to Australia and Ronald Ross who stayed on Skye but others are proving very elusive.
Ross was a common name and I don't think many records were maintained but researching is part of the fun.
I'm having similar problems with a McQueen family who were part of the Highland Clearances and came out to Australia on the Midlothian in 1837.
Good luck with your Ross Family research
Monica,
Thanks for the good advice, I'm a fairly newcomer to family research and advice from experienced researchers is greatly appreciated.
Regards
Gerry
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Hi Aussie1947
Have you tried looking for them on the Scottish censuses?
I think this is some of them on the 1851 census - residing at Balmaqueen, Kilmuir, Inverness
Donald Ross 37
Flora Ross 29
Christy Ross 27
John Ross 25
John MacPhie 1
Listed as brothers and sisters, all born in Kilmuir. Donald as head of the family, is a farmer of 4 acres. John MacPhie is listed as his nephew.
Donald and Flora are still at same address on the 1861 census.
Edit: 1841 census - living with mother Margaret in Balmaqueen
Margt Ross 55
Alex Ross 30
Donald Ross 25
Hugh Ross 20
Flora Ross 25
John Ross 15
Cathrine Ross 10
Mary Ross 10
Nk Ross 6 Mo
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Thanks Jokdy,
Yes I have had a look at the census info, the 1851 info is is where I got the brothers and sisters. I found my Alexander with Flora and the children in the 1851 census living at Clachan with Flora's mother who was a McDonald. Their census details matches the shipping records for the Ontario voyage a couple of years later.
The 1841 census is more difficult to figure out because I think Alexander is my Alexander and Mary 10 and NK 6mo are two of Alexander's children. Flora may have been his wife, one othe child was residing with the grand parents( McDonalds) at Clachan on census night.
I'm now looking at later census info to try and help solve the puzzle.
Wish middle name were used, there are so many names the same.
Once again thanks for your input.
Gerry
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Hi Gerry
There is this possible entry for 1861, following the info found by Jokdy - everyone showing as born in Kilmuir:
Donald Ross 48, Farmer Of 5 Acres
Flora Ross 40, sister
Allam Mcphie 11, nephew (not sure if this is a mistranscription of the John, nephew, who shows in the 1851 entry)
Address: 11 Balvn, Kilmuir
Monica
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Hi Gerry,
My mother is a great great grandchild of John Ross of Balmaquien...we refer to him as John Ross "senior" to differentiate him from his son of the same name who emigrated to VIC in the 1850s.
We are descended from John Ross senior's oldest child Ranald - who remained in Kilmaluag despite at least 3 siblings emigrating to Australia. Ranald's son Alexander (named after his uncle who emigrated to NSW) is my mum's grandfather.
Alexander's youngest child Annie is my mum's mum. They were all born in Kilmaluag, where my mother grew up (she moved to the north of England, my father's work took them there from Scotland, when I was born).
I visited Oz in 1991, and met descendants of Alexander Ross & Flora MacDonald who emigrated with their children in 1852 on the "Ontario". Alexander died at sea of typhoid, and his eldest son died in quarantine. I met Doug & Molly Shaw and their son Kenneth of Barrington Tops, about 12 miles east of Berrico Station where Alexander's only surviving son Donald "Dan" Ross set up home. Also met Renwick MacQueen, and Wilf & Jessie Boyd and their daughter Effie. In Sydney I met Neil & Beth MacPherson (descended from Dan's younger sister, Margaret).
I have set up a family Facebook group called "The Rosses of Skye (Kilmaluag)" where we exchange photos and stories between branches of the family in Skye, VIC, NSW, and Canada. We have Ellen Ross Lilley and Lyn Smith in that group - both descended from Alexander & Flora. Are you also descended from Alexander?
Regards,
Amina
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Hi Amina,
Thanks for the reply and Ross information.
My wife's great grandfather was Neil McQueen who married Margaret Ross in 1874. Margaret was the first child of Alexander and Flora whom had emigrated to NSW on the 'Ontario'.
Please send me a PM with your email address and we might be able to exchange some useful information.
Gerry
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Ok, I'll PM you
Amina
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Hi Amina
I too am related to Ranald (my 2 x Great Grandfather) through his son Hugh. I wonder whether you or anyone else might have some clues as to the parentage of John Ross and Margaret MacDonald as I seem to have hit a brick wall there.
On a side note, I don't know whether you are aware of Ranald's daughter Mary? She is mentioned in a couple of publications, "One Hundred and Five Songs of Occupation from the Western Isles of Scotland" and "The Great Book of Skye" (the latter having a photograph of her) which has a brief biography of her which mentions both Ranald and John in passing. She is credited with helping to pass on many gaelic songs to her employer and folk music collector/archivist Frances Tolmie.
Regards
Scott
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Oh wow hi Scott!
I am away from home at the moment so no records to refer to, but the names Iain, Hugh or Ewen come to mind as regards the father of John Ross who was married to Margaret (called "Peggy" by her family) MacDonald.
Iain would make most sense as it follows the Gaelic tradition of naming the grandchild after the grandparent...(but of course that could include Margaret's father too!).
I say "Ewen" because we are in touch with some Canadian Ross's that also came from Kendram and have pinpointed a "Ewen" in their ancestry from the mid 1700s. And I say "Hugh" because if I recall correctly, that name was on the rent records for croft #4 Kendram (but there were Ross's at #4 and #5 Kendram in the 1800s...they will have been related, but not exactly sure who were brothers and who were cousins beyond the generation of John & Margaret).
I recall my granny referring to ur great grandfather as "uncle Hughie". He was 4 years older than my great seanair Alasdair (Alexander); and yes, I am very aware of their sister Mary who was a maid to Francis Tolmie (we have, or had, Ethel Bassin's book "The Old Songs of Skye"). She remained close to her siblings as she was unmarried, and my granny was 21 when she came home to Kendram to die. We have photos of her.
You know those 3, plus their oldest brother Iain who died aged 24, were the product of Ranald's first marriage to Dorcas MacKinnon? Our great great grandmother died the year after my great grandfather was born. Ranald's then married a much younger woman Ann MacLeod and they had 4 daughters and a son (John) together. Our family was close to the family of that John, as they lived a short walk away from my granny...and his two daughters never married. One daughter was Annie Ross just as my granny was named.
Anyway, enough blethering. Are u still in Skye Scott? What children did Hugh go on to have? It would be lovely to continue this conversation. I shall PM you my email address. I've set up a family Facebook group "The Rosses of Skye (Kilmaluag)" which has descendants on it from as far afield as Australia.
Laters,
Amina
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Hi I am researching the Ross family in Australia. I am looking at John Ross and wife Flora (nee Nicholson) who travelled to Portland in 1853 on the New Zealander. Their ages were 26 and 24. They also had an infant boy with them. Flora and John married 14 July 1853 at Kilmuir By Uig, Inverness. I believe her mother is Ann McLean and father Samual Nicholson. It looks like they went to the nearby pastrol property owned by Mr Don Cameron, who had originally hailed from Inverness. He was a very successfull operator in the Heywood area of the Western District. I cannot work out the exact name of where they went to. Now there was also a separate passenger by the name of Catherine Ross, aged 24 who also went to the same property.
If anyone can shed any light with who they were and if they were connected somehow and if they did O.K I would love to know. Thank You.
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Catherine Ross accompanied John Ross & wife Flora to VIC and later married a man from Lewis by the surname MacKenzie. Flora Nicolson was from Duntulm and her father (who I know as JAMES & her other siblings followed a year later). Sadly one sibling Isabella died soon after arriving. I have created a Facebook group "The Rosses of Skye (Kilmaluag)" which has descendants from that family in Oz and the UK as members. Are u already a member? If u PM me and tell me your name, I can give u more details x
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Hi I am looking for info on William Ross, born 1827 in Chennai, India and dying in Australia in 1900. His father is John Ross, but I don't know any info on him. Possibly born in the Inverness Shire. Would he have been in the army in India? I am ignorant to the history in that regards, sorry. John Ross married Jessie Stuart, not sure where born. I am not sure of any siblings for William. I don't know how William arrived in Australia. But he was was a very successful pastoralist and well regarded in the district and built a beautiful homestead on his property 'The Gums' at Penshurst, which has stayed in the Ross family for quite some time. Unfortunately he was shot accidentally by his son. If anyone may have a clue as to who were they connected to, thanks!
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Hi everyone, I know this thread was started a long time ago, but hopefully you're still around...
I'm also researching these extended Ross families, and I'm a descendant of John Ross & Flora Nicholson, immigrants to Australia & settled in the Donald District of Victoria. If you are happy to collaborate in this research, please send me a PM.
Kerrie Brailsford
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Hi Kerrie,
I think you may have to post one more time to enable the PM facility?
Annie
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hmmm thank you... does this one count? ;D
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Hi Gerry
I noticed your post about Ranald Ross and Dorcus McKinnon (Kendram, Kilmaluag) more than 10 years ago. I imagine you would have found answers by now! I also noticed that one of the answers came from Amina. She now has an email group 'Rosses of Skye, Kilmaluag". There is an offshoot site 'McKinnons of Kendram, Skye' set up by Gail B in Australia. We are always interested in attracting members who might have information to add to these sites. We might see you there?
Cheers, John