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Hi all, this one is starting to drive me bonkers :(, received a marriage certificate for George Frederick Back, states his age as 41 yrs in 1930 & a widower / contract labourer, married at Southampton, trying to find a birth record for this fellow or anything really to see where he originated from, says his fathers name was John Back ( deceased ) & a Carpenter by trade, been through so many records I've lost count, several possibles but nothing conclusive, can anyone throw me a few crumbs of info?
he died in 1952 at Portsmouth
thanks,
James ( looked in Scottish records & nothing )
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Any clues in the witnesses' names?
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unfortunately not Shaun, no one from his family witnessed the certificate
regards,
James
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Who did he marry - have you found him on the 1841 or 51 census?
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Who did he marry - have you found him on the 1841 or 51 census?
If he died age 63 in 1952 then he was born about 1889,which is consistent with his age on marriage in 1930- so that's a good start ;D
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Who did he marry - have you found him on the 1841 or 51 census?
If he died age 63 in 1952 then he was born about 1889,which is consistent with his age on marriage in 1930- so that's a good start ;D
:o Put it down to my head cold sorry - I read it as married 1830
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Hi James,
Check out John Back born c 1843, Westerham, Kent in 1871 Census. He is a Carpenter.
His Wife Mary born c 1845, Chipstead is a Widow by 1891 with a 2yr old Son George.
RG10/921/167/22
RG12/672/145/2
Trish :)
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thanks for all the replies so far, Trish, Chipstead sounds familar, might have noticed that but think something about later info put me off, though it's easy to get lost when going through so many names, I'll check that one again
did consider a spelling error & found a George Frederick Beck born in 1889 at Tamworth, can't find any other details about family, not on census anyways
regards,
James
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Fair enough. Just in case it comes in handy later;
In 1881 they are under Beak. RG11/906/69/3
Only other suggestion I have is to cross check all George Back/Beck Marriages from say 1910 and look for Deaths of possible spouses.
For example;
There is a George F Back Marriage in 1922, Depwade, 4b 527, to Gertrude STONE and a Death of a 26yr old Gertrude Back in Pontypridd, June 1924 , 11a 499
Also have you looked fro him on the 1911 Census index?
Trish :)
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Also he would have been of an age to have served WW1 so maybe Military Records.
I looked just for George Back born c 1891 +/- 1yr in 1911 and there are only 5 possibilities one in the Military.
Maybe worth you trying for Beck as well.
Sorry not much help and I cant think of any other ways to search for him.
Trish :)
EDIt put 7, should have been 5
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Thanks Trish, I am now thinking Mary & John are the right ones, or they seem to fit the picture, I didn't notice the same address on the census 1871 & 1891, probably was going cross eyed by that stage, so they had in total 7 children, Emily, Anne, Annie, Flora, William, Mary & George, seems like the older girls left or married by 1891
there's no middle name for George in the census, though that could be an oversight
I'll do some more checking but it's looking more hopefull now
regards,
James
( I might get a birth certificate for George )
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Hi James,
If it is your George this might be his Birth Reg;
George BACK, Sept 1888, Sevenoaks, 2a 605
Another possible first marriage for George might be in Dec 1915 to Emily EADE, Bromley, 2a 1491
Death Reg Emily BACK, June 1916, Bromley, 2a 628, Age 22
Firstly I would check all the ones on the 1911 Census if you have the money.
Trish :)
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thanks for the help Trish, it's given me more leads to follow, I did notice the marriage of G.F.Back in 1922 to Gertrude Stone, didn't see the death though, there's another G.F.Back marriage to a Elizabeth Ellis in 1909, she died in 1917, these ones are at Depwade, Norfolk, further investigation with some certificates should narrow things down ( I hope )
all these early deaths is a bit of a worry, sort of get suspicious ;D
regards
James
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Hi
If John & Mary Back from Chipstead are George's parents, this may be of interest.
National Probate Calendar, 7th June 1889.
John Back died 9th June 1889 at Chipstead, granted to Mary Back, widow of Chipstead. Estate £37 9s 8d.
National Probate Calendar, 24th Oct 1891
Mary Back died 26th Sept 1891, widow of Chipstead, granted to Emily Back of Burstock, Chislehurst, spinster daughter. Estate £25 3s 9d.
Jool
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Excellent Jool ;D
The second one looks interesting as John and Mary have a Daughter Emily born 1862 who is in Chiselhurst in 1891 Census as a Servant.
RG12/632/26/1
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In 1901 there is a George Back b. 1888 Chislehurst in a Boys Home in Clewer, Berkshire.
Jool
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Looks like he's in the Military by 1911 (sorry can't give details :() Can't pin down his military records though ::)
Jool
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I say Chaps, jolly good info there, adds an interesting angle to this fellows character, hmmm, helps explain a few things about the story on him if it is him
cheers Jool
regards
James
( and there's another daughter Ada born in 1875 )
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not your but loved the names
sylvia
William Beck 37 Worcestershire Bay Cottage
Beck Dolphin 30 Wife
Beck Haden 5
Beck Catherine M 2Daughter
Beck Mice 10 M Daughter
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oh my goodness, LOL!, what were they thinking of when giving out names :o, good one Sylvia
I tried for some Army records too & nothing showing, got his medal card though, just a driver
James
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not your but loved the names
sylvia
William Beck 37 Worcestershire Bay Cottage
Beck Dolphin 30 Wife
Beck Haden 5
Beck Catherine M 2Daughter
Beck Mice 10 M Daughter
I've come across people called Mice in transcriptions who on closer inspection turn out to be Alice. Can't suggest an alternative for the other unusual ones in this batch though!
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I think the wife is Dapline and the baby girl is Mia . " Haden" should definitely be Hadan. What a bad transcription as the original is fairly clear ::)
Edit I hope the transcription isn't Maidmarianoops', I assumed it was on one of the sites - phew, just checked and I haven't been rude to Maidmarianoops :D
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Hi
Just found your entry. George Back b Chipstead 1889 is indirectly related to me. George's father John & my GG Grandfather were step brothers. Do you have any further info on him.
What I have found
1911 Census- George Back driver 84th battery RFA in India
His siblings- Emily Jane m Thos. W Winterburn. living 1911 in Bromley, Kent. Emily d. 1917.
Ada Single Housekeeper in Holborn 1911.
Flora m JG Copeland, d. Croydon 1952. 1 child.
William 1911 single , Pasturer living Bromley