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Trying to track down details of ancestor that was born in Manchester 1826 & Transported to Tasmania 1844.
Getting details & confirming people very difficult from Tasmania especially with Surname spelling having many variations.
Hopefully someone in Manchester can assist.
Ancestor was "Mary Treanor". Trial was at Manchester Borough Quater Sessions, June 24 1844.
Any details from trial would be most appreciated.
1841 Census show a "Mary Trainer" from Primrose St Manchester with the right birth year. Not sure how to confirm if this was the same person.
Also a Birth Record from St Mary's Mulberry St Manchester of a "Mary Treanor". Would appreciate it if someone has details of Birth records from this church & could pass them on.
Also interested to find out what this area of Manchester was like around 1840's. From what I can Gather it was a very depressed area.
Any assistance would be appreciated and am very happy to recipricate with any Aussie details I may be able to help with.
cheers
Mike
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Hi,
The Manchester Libraries website shows for the Quarter Sessions of 24 June 1844, a Margaret Treanor, as Manchester Central Library has closed until 2013 for a refurbishment, I think these records have gone into storage until that date
I'm pretty sure the records have not been sent to the temporay library but you could try contacting them. Ref: GB127.M116/2/4/14 also give name and date and what reocods they are
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/448/archives_and_local_studies
The Tempoary library does also hold a microfilm of St Mary Mulberry St (RC Church) for the date you require.
Cancan :)
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Hi Mike,
Baptism Registers St. Mary's, Mulberry St from the Catholic FHS
Mary Treanor
Born - March 17th 1826
Baptised - March 19th 1826
Father - Thomas
Mother - Judith Hickey
Godfather - Martin Callen ?
Godmother - Elizabeth McClair
Hope this helps
Regards, Dave
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Many thanks Dave. Your a legend!
Have been tracking poor Mary's life for a couple of years now
and feel like I know her.
I found where she was buried a couple of weeks ago.
and will take her some flowers in a couple of days.
cheers
Mike
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Hi Mike - did your Mary marry Thomas Trainer/Treanor in 1847 and is she buried at Oatlands? Thomas was for some years a publican at Tunbridge.
Henry34
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I am interested in a John Treanor who was born in Manchester circa 1806 (although I have found no baptism on the IGI at familysearch.org who I can identify as this John Treanor). Can anyone help me with information on this fellow? I am also very, very anxious to contact a “J.Livingston” who left a message on the “Convict Tales” section of the website of the Perth Dead Persons Society (Western Australia) – www.perthdps.com The message is:- Contact: J. Livingston - John TREANOR was 15 and from Manchester when he was sentenced to 7 years for petty theft in 1821. He was my grt. grt. grandmother's brother. He wrote home 1845 and I have his original letter. He became a free man and married. He changed his name to Jones and had at least two sons called Edward Treanor Jones and Thomas Treanor Jones. He lived in Goulburn, NSW. His letter is poignant. I am happy to send a transcript if anyone is interested. I also have a letter from his brother who was transported to Tasmania on the Prince Regent in 1818.
On the DPS site was an e-mail address for “J.Livingston” which was - (*)
I tried sending him an e-mail at this address but it bounced back as being undeliverable! So I think his entry on the DPS website must be very old. I extremly keen to contact him, SO DOES ANYONE RESEARCHING THE TREANOR FAMILY AT MANCHESTER KNOW OF THIS “J. LIVINGSTON”?
At least I have the info about John Treanor being a convict from Manchester who arrived on the "Minerva" in 1821. But I think the key to the whole thing is getting access to the letter he sent home in 1845. I will be so thrilled if and when I finally see it! It is no use having this info if I do not have a source and cannot verify it, and I think the source would be the letter.
On the Tasmanian Archives website I found details on a Daniel Traynor who arrived in Tasmania on board the ship Prince Regent (2), so I do not know if this is the brother that “J.Livingston” is referring to.
My interest in this family is that John Treanor was my great-grandfather and the Edward Treanor Jones that J.Livingston refers to, is my grandfather. For 25 years I have had an absolute brick wall trying to find out something about my great-grandfather, who I believed was “John Treanor Jones” (variations: Trainor, Traynor etc). I guessed (but had no absolute proof) that he was another convict, John Jones from London who arrived in the colony of NSW on board the “Heroine” in 1833, and settled in Goulburn, NSW. But it seems that I was wrong about that.
I was so excited when I found this entry on the Perth DPS site. It is wonderful to finally have a breakthough with this branch of my family. But I am desperate to find J.Livingston, and to see a transcript of the letter written in 1845 – SO, HELP DESPERATLY NEEDED!!
From Aurora.
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Hi Mike,
As Cancan said, it was Margaret TREANOR who was tried at Manchester in June 1844. Her convict indent gives her mother's name as Susannah, brothers Thomas and Peter, sisters Mary, Catherine and Susannah all living at her native place (Manchester). I can see this family on the 1841 census with father Thomas who is a cotton weaver. Margaret isn't with the family.
Indent (2 pages)
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON15-1-3,360,90,S,80
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON15-1-3,360,91,S,80
Conduct Record
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON41-1-4,198,172,S,80
Her marriage applications are also on the Tas Archives site. If your Mary married in March 1847 then this can't be her as Margaret's second application to marry was in December 1847.
There was another Mary TRAINOR who arrived on the Hope but she was not free until 1850 and married John DAVIS in 1847. I can't see any others that would fit your dates.
The Archives have not yet indexed all passenger arrivals online but if you contact them they do have a card index to those records that have survived.
Debra :)
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Mike, Manchester in that era had gone from being a prosperous new industrial town to one that was growing too quickly with major employment issues as a result of mill mechanisation. My Treanors which were a large family had migrated from Ireland post the 1798 events but the flow to and fro didn't end there as there was often trips back. My gggrandparents lived along the river in Manchester and were not in good circumstances by the 1840s. There were riots. *cough!* One of the family mainstays fled to America and became quite a notable figure at that place. I grew up with stories of that but couldnt fit it all in till I found where it originated from. He once led quite a large gathering of Irish back to Ireland from Manchester too to protest events in Ireland. I don't do family history but do do cultural heritage so have been very interested in the landscape stuff that goes along with Irish ancestry and which was also trasported as a discipline to Australia with the descendents being taught the local dinsencha traditions from childhood. The Irish were still mostly peasants when they spilled out of their island into the UK, then many were shipped to Australia or went to America. The change in circumstances took many quite a while to catch up with. My Treanors (likely your Treanors too), were distillers and continued that in Australia. The stash at the spring up behind Trenors town became something a bit more sophisticated as the years went by. My dad once fed me claret cup and when I told my Mum she sought him out and demanded to know was it alcoholic. He laughed and said "not these days".
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Hi,
i have just come across these posts..very helpful.
I have been researching Thomas JONES who married Rosina CURTIS. Their daughter Rosina JONES is my ancestor. Rosina married William TOPHAM in Goulburn NSW. Rosina JONES death states she was born in Burrowa NSW to Parents as Thomas JONES farmer and Rosina CURTIS.
I have been having great difficulty in finding anything more on Thomas JONES...it seems that my Thomas and Rosina are the same as you have listed here..
I have found a death for a Thomas JONES 1884 Died in Burwoood from the district Burrowa...and there is a Will or something at the State archives NSW and I wasn't sure whether to get or not.
I am just touching the surface of this line so any help would be helpful and Rosina's 2nd marriage?
cheers
Lea
I have actually put this on the wrong post...how do I delete this please?
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lea,
John Treanor (b.1906), became John Jones. He married Rosina Curtis. Rosina and John Treanor Jones had a Rosina Jones and a Thomas Jones. Rosina Jnr married a Topham. John Treanor Jones was my great grandad. Thomas Jones was my great uncle and Rosina jnr was my great aunt. I find genealogy the craziest thing as a result of being disowned by my older sibling early on in life. I ran into a cousin of my dad's in Goulburn in around 1968. I was living there and this older man asked me where I was from. He asked me was I --------'s daughter and I said that I was. We had a great discussion for an hour or so. My dad was born in Goulburn and we used to go back each year for the Lilac Festival but my dad's family always kept in touch. I was kidnapped from my home at pre 6mths by my dad so was always at his business and relatives would call in there as it was where they were used to catching up with him. These days I dont do family much apart from my immediate family as given the late age of my dad when he married most have floated off to the summerland. Rosina was descended from a family that came from one of the pirate villages in Cornwall though she wasn't born there. She is buried at the Anglican cathedral at Goulburn.
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John Treanor Jones was born in 1806 not 1906.
Cheerio.
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thank you so much for your reply.
..Wow..you have just helped solve a great brickwall for me. Rosina arrived alone on the Llala Rookh then, I was not sure if it was her or not.
Rosina jnr is my 2nd great grandmother..the pirate history is interesting as further down this line is a convict from pirates and smugglers in Dorset.!
On Rosina jnrs death her father is stated at Thomas? Son Reginald was informant. This is where my confusion lay, I was looking for a Thomas Jones and not John Treanor Jones..
Rosina jnr's daughter Edith Jessie married a Roberts also from Goulburn, so it seems I have a lot of history in Goulburn re the Topham's, Blackshaws, Roberts and now the Jones's.
Lea ;)
So, was John Treanor a convict in Tasmania? This is why he changed his name.
So you knew Rosina?
thank you so much for clearing things up for me..now I can't wait to find more on Rosina Curtis's pirate family!
Family can be a fickled thing..I know..I was estranged from some of my family for 30 years and now thanks to Genealogy I have been reunited with them..it has been a wonderful thing in my life.
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Rosina jnr came to visit when I was a small child, (I still live in the house I grew up in largely because I have some lovely memories here of my very gorgeous dad (John Thomas Jones) who my son also fortunately took after. Some of Rosina snrs folk stories got handed down. Also threads of the seafaring stuff plus the whaling. The 'Edith' is after John Treanor Jones' dad (my great grandad), who was Edward. Edith is the feminine for Edward. JTJ's (b.1806), death is online somewhere as is his freedom from convictism. I dont keep stuff like that so am not sure where I saw them but the articles are certainly him. There is also an invite to Rosina to go to a funeral which I am not sure she would have as though they werent really catholics they werent presberterians either. I think the name change may have been more about trying to dodge the stuff happening in nsw in that era. Thomas Treanor (Trainor) the brother of John Treanor (Jones), was a convict sent to VDL. Best wishes and bye.
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I know these messages were posted a long time ago, but letting you know my connection.
My mother's mother was ROSINA MATILDA MAUD JONES.
She was the eldest child of WILLIAM JOSEPH TREANOR JONES and EMILY KATE BYRNE [mother was ANN BLACKSHAW]
WILLIAM was the son of JOHN TREANOR JONES and ROSINA MATILDA CURTIS of Rame/Maker Cornwall [ mother a VALLACK]who arrived in Australia 1841
JOHN JONES DIED [ no cert found yet] and his widow remarried. She had no more children.
For some reason the birth certs of their older children can be found but there is no birth cert for William, born c 1853-54. Therefore I'm not sure exactly how many children John T and Rosina M.M. had as more than one may have gone uncertified.
lee white-[ nee Clough/Ferguson-Jones/Byrne-