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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: tony.wright on Wednesday 25 August 10 00:20 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Does anyone happen to have any information on a John Baker Wright. A solicitor in London in 1846?
cheers
Tony Wright
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This John Baker Wright (Solicitor) was in partnership with Thomas Purrier (Solicitor).
Their firm was Purrier & Wright Solicitors, they are listed in the London Post Office directory for 1841 and 1852.
I believe this John Wright is shown (age 25) on the 1841 census in New Broad st (ref HO107 725-7 folio 9 page 13) - I wonder if anyone with access to the 1851 uk census might be able to find the same John Wright for me.
If I'm pursuing the correct path I expect this John Wright (Solicitor) to be shown without wife (1851) - as his wife Sarah Wright is shown elsewhere with their children!
cheers
Tony Wright
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Well there are a lot of John Wrights some with Sarah's and some without... but none that show up (as yet) as a solicitor... there was an inmate in the workhouse and a postman and a labourer... all solo no wife.... where was he born???
xin
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Hello,
well if I'm following the correct lead for this John Wright - the 1841 census only says that he was born out of the county (i.e. outside of middlesex). Doesn't really narrow it down much!
Also shows a William Wright age 20 (1841) which may be a brother - listed as a clerk.
Tony Wright
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Hi - JBW was certainly operating from New Broad Street in July 1848: http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/20877/pages/2657 (under "British Guiana")
Regards
Rob
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WELL I just found a John Wright of the right age and married but not with his wife ... in 1851 and he was living in............ The Tower of London as a guardian of the Tower.. Now thats interesting..
This one was born in Stowmarket Suffolk?
The other I found was married to a Henrietta.. he is actually down as John Baker Wright....?? there is a public tree of his family...
Sorry thats all I could find
Xin
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Hello,
Thats good stuff - this might rule out John Baker Wright from being my John Wright as we don't expect him to be married to Henrietta (as his wife Sarah is still alive at this time).
cheers
Tony
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..............looks like I'm back to where I was i.e. what i can verify.
John Wright (Solicitor)
married Sarah Hobson at some stage
had children John (b.1839), Francis (b.1849), George (b.1844), Frances (b.1847) and Alfred Hobson Wright (b. 1841 Feltham).
cheers
Tony
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Hi John & Xin
Been pondering over this one
Xin - which census did you see JB & Henrietta in? I had found them in 1861, but not 1851. I sort of 'liked the 1861 because of where Henrietta was from - Staines - and it's association with Bedfont. The latter is where John's direct ancestor Alfred Hobson WRIGHT was christened:
Bedfont - historic Middlesex village
http://www.communigate.co.uk/london/bedfontforum/page2.phtml
East Bedfont is at the western edge of the London Borough of Hounslow, straddling the main road from Hounslow to Staines. It's neighbours are: to the east Hounslow; to the south Feltham; to the west Ashford and Stanwell; and to the north London Heathrow Airport and the former hamlet of Hatton. West Bedfont is now merged into Stanwell.
CENSUS: 1861 - Harrow Road West - Dorking, Surrey
RG9 / Piece: 441 / Folio: 50 / Page: 40
Head: John B WRIGHT 48, Proprietor of Houses, b Long Ditton, Surrey
Wife: Henrietta L WRIGHT 44, b Staines, Middlesex
MARRIAGE (Family Search Pilot - Serarch Labs)
John Baker WRIGHT and Henrietta Louisa BASCOM
Married 3 Sep 1857, St James Westminster
Groom's father: William WRIGHT
Bride's father: John REYNOLDS
CHRISTENING: possible?
John Baker WRIGHT b 10 May 11, Chr 20 Jun 1811, St Swithin London - Stone London, England
Parents: William WRIGHT & Susannah Sophia
John - if we're taking Census at face value (ie they're all telling the truth ;D) then was not Sarah stated to be a widow in 1851 - and using her maiden name??
1851: 25 New Church Street - St Mary Magdalene Bermondsey, Surrey
Head: Sarah HOBSON 34, wid?, ---------? W. of ------?.
Brother-in-Law: Thomas HOBSON 24, Clerk,
Son: John HOBSON 12,
Son: Alfred HOBSON 10,
Son: George HOBSON 7,
Son: Frank HOBSON 2,
ALL Born London, Middlesex
Is it correct, you have never located a marriage for her to John WRIGHT nor to Joseph ALGAR...as seen in the following 2 Census. Also have you ever determined Birth registrations for any of the ALGAR children?
1861: 5 Sidmouth Place - St Alphage, Greenwich, Kent
RG9/ Piece: 403/ Folio: 20/ Page: 33
Head: Joseph ALGAR 33, Blacksmith, b N.K., Devonshire
Wife: Sarah A ALGAR 40, b Blackfriars, London, Middlesex
Son: Henry ALGAR 6, b Bermondsey, Surrey
Son: William ALGAR 4, b Bermondsey, Surrey
Dau: Alice ALGAR 2, b Bermondsey, Surrey
StepSon: George WRIGHT 18, Gen. Labourer, b Hounslow, Middlesex
StepSon: Francis WRIGHT 11, Scholar, b b Bermondsey, Surrey
1871: 14 Meridian Place - Bermondsey, Surrey
RG10/ Piece: 634/ Folio: 23/ Page: 37
Head: Joseph ALGAR 44, b Devon
Wife: Sarah ALGAR 51, b Lambeth, Surrey
Son: Henry ALGAR 16, Smith (unemployed), b Lambeth, Surrey
Son: William ALGAR 14, Dock Boy, b Lambeth, Surrey
Dau: Alice L ALGAR 12, Scholar, Bermondsey, Surrey
Son: Francis ALGAR 21, unm, Gunsmith*, b Bermondsey, Surrey (or Tinsmith??)
Baptism: In St Dunstan, Feltham, Borough of Hounslow, Middlesex
12 Sep 1841: Alfred Hobson WRIGHT
Parents: John & Sarah WRIGHT; Abode: Bedfont ; Occ: Solicitor
Baptism: In Chapelry of Hounslow, Middlesex
21 Feb 1847: George WRIGHT ----and ---- Frances WRIGHT
Parents: John & Sarah WRIGHT; Abode: Hounslow ; Occ: Solicitor
Baptism: St Mary Newington, Surrey
20 Nov 1859: Alice Louisa ALGAR, born 4 Jun 1859
Dau of: Joseph & Sarah ALGAR ; Abode: Swan Place ; Occ: Blacksmith
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hello,
I don't think a marriage certifcate has ever been found for Sarah Hobson to either John Wright or Joseph Algar.
I have the feeling (based on no known facts) that Sarah married John at some stage but never married Joseph and that maybe she said she was a widow in 1851 but was separated from John and he was still alive.
Maybe John remarried Henrietta and JBW is still my guy! There is also a marriage for John Baker Wright 1843 Starnd London - but I don't know who this marriage was to?
cheers
Tony Wright
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Hi ;D
I saw the marriage on FreeBMD for John Baker WRIGHT in 1843, The Strand, too - but as you found, can't see who he might have married (no brides listed)
Question:
Why, in 1851 did Sarah HOBSON refer to Thomas HOBSON as her brother-in-law (a term which might also be applied to a step-brother). Was he a step- or half-brother?
Question:
Any idea what it says for the occupation of Sarah in 1851?
If Sarah was never legally married to Wright - then there is no barrier to him marrying someone else if they were to part company.
A mystery from al angles, this one! Do you know what became of Sarah after 1871?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hello,
I know Sarah's parents were Thomas Hobson and Martha Messenger - so I believe Thomas Hobson (junior) is actually her full brother - so I don't know why he would be listed as brother in law (but as you say step-brother could be right).
cheers
Tony
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Hello,
I understand from another rootschatter (chat title: Who was Sarah?) that Sarah is shown on a number of census after 1861 (i don't have access to these).
I don't know if she has ever been shown with a profession or not?
cheers
Tony
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I posted the 1871 (and 1851/1861) Census for Sarah (above) with Joseph ALGAR
This is what it says for her 1851 Census - I take "W. of" to be "widow of" or maybe "wife of" which would make the last word interesting, but I can't make it out. Nor the first word - sort of looks like "Housechildren" ???
I think her marital status is "wid" as opposed to "U" but there is an enumerator's check mark thru it, so hard to determine?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Could it be Householder w. of pensioner
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you could be right .......... not sure what that might mean though?
wife of pensioner???
cheers
Tony
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Hi, just to give a clue possibly on the 1871 she is with her brother John, and is shown as occupation "Landlord income from Rents" In 1881 she is with her other brother Henry possibly and now shown as occupation " Income from Bonds"
The John B Wright with Henrietta in the 1861 is also shown as a Proprietor of Houses
Keyboard86
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thanks for this
....also (circumstantial i know) i see William Wright and Susannah Sophia Wright (nee: ???) who we believe to be the parents of John Baker Wright - had other children (Frances Jane Hester Wright b 1818 and George Hayes Wright b. 1819).
It may be coincidence but my John Wright (who I hope is John Baker Wright) also had children he named Frances and George?
William and Susannah also had child William Wright b. 1820 - this William could be the one shown on the 1841 census as a clerk with John Wright solicitor (at New Broad St city).
I wonder if John Baker Wright may have divorced Sarah Wright (nee Hobson) between 1849 and 1857 - was divorce possible back then?
cheers
Tony
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Hi Keyboard86
Hi, just to give a clue possibly on the 1871 she is with her brother John, and is shown as occupation "Landlord income from Rents" In 1881 she is with her other brother Henry possibly and now shown as occupation " Income from Bonds"
You mean the spinster Sarah HOBSON? who is:
in 1871 Kensington, age 54 at RG10/ Piece: 53/ Folio: 43/ Page: 22
in 1881 Chelsea, age 65 at RG11/ Piece: 76/ Folio: 74/ Page: 24
But she is also in 1861 age 42 in Chelsea , Proprietor of Houses - and again with brother John at:
RG9 / Piece: 38 / Folio: 65 / Page: 2;
I don't think she is the same Sarah (HOBSON - WRIGHT - ALGAR) of John's search.
John's Sarah appears to be as I posted earlier in 1861 & 1871 (see Reply #8)
She seems to be the same Sarah throughout, largely because of the children following on from Census to Census.
This is her, for reference, in 1841:
1841: Regent Terrace - Islington, Finsbury, Middlesex
HO107 / Piece 665 / Book: 10 / Folio: 12 / Page: 19
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James COLCH?AULE 28, ?? Maker - N
Jane COLCH?AULE 27 - Y
Emily COLCH?AULE 2 - Y
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Martha HOBSON 50, M. - Y
Thomas HOBSON 15, Clerk - Y
Sarah WRIGHT 20, M. - Y
John WRIGHT 2 - Y
Alfred WRIGHT 6 months - Y
Louisa DARNELL 19, F.S. - Y
George MESSENGER 1 - Y
//
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi sorry for picking a wrong un!
But I noticed on the 1861 census post 8 that Sarah had an "A" as a middle name, this then lead me to do a search for a possible marriage:-
Joseph Algar to Sarah Ann Leath 23rd April 1876 By Banns at St Mary at Lambeth
Hope this helps.
Keyboard86
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Hi sorry for picking a wrong un!
But I noticed on the 1861 census post 8 that Sarah had an "A" as a middle name, this then lead me to do a search for a possible marriage:-
Joseph Algar to Sarah Ann Leath 23rd April 1876 By Banns at St Mary at Lambeth
Hope this helps.
Keyboard86
Please ignore this lady was a minor!
Will leave alone for rest of night!
Keyboard86
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I think i probably need to buy the marriage certificate for John Baker Wright 1843 to see who he married at this time!
Tony
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Wow you have all been busy ... whilst I was sleeping..
Yes the cert seems the best Idea... I will read through again later and see if I can fathom anything..
I wanted your man to be the 'Beefeater' :) ;)
Xin
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Hi
One the one hand :'(
The FreeBMD 1843 Marriage entry for :
John Baker WRIGHT, Strand - Vol 1 - Page 280
is incorrect!
The image of the index page clearly shows:
John Daken WRIGHT, Strand - Vol 1 - Page 290
It has also been keyed as the correct entry, showing the bride of this man was
Maria Dorothy Woodrouffe, Ann Lambert, Mary Ann Davidge or Mary Cummings
I can't say for sure if the 'Daken' is a mistake and is meant to be 'Baker' - but I think "Daken" is probably correct (Dakin, Dacon, Deacon). There is also a George Daken WRIGHT who married in Hackney around the same time period.
On the other hand ;D
I might've found John Baker WRIGHT in 1851....
1851: Stroud St "Ship Hotel" - St Mary Trinity, Dover, Kent
HO107 / Piece: 1632 / Folio: 541 / Page: 16
(Visitor*) : John WRIGHT, 38, unm, Gentleman, b Thames Ditton, Surrey (* implied, ie hotel guest)
The household is:
Head: John BIRMINGHAM, Inkeeper and his family,
17 servants
37 guests - gentleman, valets, coachmen, ladies maids, barristers, merchants etc
None of the 'guests' except the last 5 have a stated 'relationship to head'. The last 5 which are at the top of a new page, are stated to be visitors.
It's the 'Thames Ditton' PoB which does it for me.
It's the same PoB which George Hayes WRIGHT (b abt 1819), gives in his 1901 Census. (GHW being the son of William WRIGHT and Susannah Sophia, and brother of John Baker WRIGHT of same parents). GHW's pob varies in Census, often just "London", or Surrey - which is in keeping with Thames Ditton area.
http://homepages.gold.ac.uk/genuki/SRY/ThamesDitton/
THAMES-DITTON, a parish in the second division of Kingston hundred, county Surrey, 2 miles W. of Kingston, its post town, and 5 E. of Walton-on-Thames. It is a station on the South-Western railway. The village is situated on the S. bank of the river Thames, and is much resorted to by anglers. The parish includes the hamlets of Weston Green, Gigg's Hill, and Ditton-Marsh. In the vicinity are numerous market gardens and a brewery. The village of Long Ditton adjoins this parish
George Hale WRIGHT married Charlotte Bryan YOUNG in 1849, Lambeth. They are on all the Census thru to 1901 (GH dies at end of 1901). He was a 'Broker, Dealer in Funds', Member of Stock Exchange' etc.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hello Ambly,
This is good stuff - it effectively rules out the 1843 Marriage - for which I was contemplating buying the certificate to see if the marriage was to Sarah Hobson.
As (my) John Wright and Sarah Hobson had their first child (John) in 1839 i would have expected their marriage to be prior to this.
Your lead from the 1851 census could be good also - 'gentleman' could be a term used for a Solicitor and again in 1851 (like 1841) Sarah is shown with the children but no John.
Unless I can find any more John Wrights in both the 1841 and 1851 census (without family and being a Solicitor)?
Are you able to find a John Wright (married to Henrietta) in the 1861 cencus with a birthplace (which matches Thames Ditton Surrey)? and being a Solicitor?
cheers
Tony Wright
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Yes he is in the 1861 census with Thames Ditton birthplace and married to Henrietta (nee Reynolds) he is down as a proprieter of houses...?? cant read her employment... address is 237 Harrow Road West.
xin
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thanks for this - I just need to show John Baker Wright is my John Wright.
Is there any lists/data bases for divorce's from say 1849-1857 which can be accessed - to see if there is a divorce between John Wright and Sarah Wright (nee Hobson)?
Cheers
Tony
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He married Henrietta in 1857.. so looks like Sarah gone ... still checking
xin
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Looks like Henrietta was previously married to a ~Bascombe
and he was married previously in 1843.. but cant find a divorce.....
xin
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....pretty sure that the 1843 marriage isn't John Baker Wright (see previous post) - looks like there has been a translation mistake and this is John Daken Wright.
cheers
Tony
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see that now... sorry..
cant find anymore at mo...
will look again tomorrow
xin
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John Baker Wright is my great great uncle. His father was William Wright 1786-1840 who married Susannah sophia Baker in 1807. His father William was vestry clerk at st Michaels Paternoster Row. John Baker Wright's birth is listed in the London Metropolitan records in 1811 at St Swithins London Stone. He was an attorney of Greys Inn and married Henrietta Louisa Bascom. His brother George Hayes Wright born 1819 was my great great grandfather. If you have any details about John Baker Wright's grandfather I should be very pleased to receive them or if you want any more details please ask.
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Hello, I read this thread with great interest. John Baker Wright married my relative Henrietta Louisa, widow Bascom, née Reynolds, at St. James', Westminster, 03 Sep 1857. He was a bachelor. Henrietta died 28 Apr 1892, a widow again, but I've been unable to find him after the 1861 Census. Any information would be greatly appreciated. He was the son of William Wright and Susanna Sophia née Baker. The British Guinea connection makes sense, her first husband Griffin Bascom was "of Demerara" in May 1850 (her uncle Charles Reynolds' will, PCC PROB 11/2117).