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Title: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Monday 23 August 10 21:05 BST (UK)
Hi i am looking for the child of Thomas Wheeler born 1897 in Berkshire and Glady May Dix born 1901 at Streatley Berkshire.Thomas and Gladys married in 1925 at Aston Upthrope, I know that they had a daughter and that she married someone called Frank i think his surname was Molloy but not sure and that in the 1970s they were living in Aston Tirrold/ Aston Upthrope. Thank you Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Tati on Monday 23 August 10 21:15 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra,

I'm sending you a PM  :)
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Thursday 26 August 10 13:01 BST (UK)
Hi Tati
    Thanks for the pm sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Richdwm on Thursday 27 October 11 15:52 BST (UK)
Hi i am looking for the child of Thomas Wheeler born 1897 in Berkshire and Glady May Dix born 1901 at Streatley Berkshire.Thomas and Gladys married in 1925 at Aston Upthrope, I know that they had a daughter and that she married someone called Frank i think his surname was Molloy but not sure and that in the 1970s they were living in Aston Tirrold/ Aston Upthrope. Thank you Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Richdwm on Thursday 27 October 11 15:55 BST (UK)
Just joined site so probably way behind the train.... but you are looking for Peggy Kathleen b 1935 m Frank Molloy..
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Thursday 27 October 11 17:43 BST (UK)
Hi Welcome to rootschat

         I ave been down to Aston Tirrold in the last few months and i have had contact with the Wheeler family. Are you looking for the Wheeler family
 Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Richdwm on Friday 28 October 11 10:26 BST (UK)

Thanks for that, Sandy. Yes I am working on the Wheelers - and wondered if perhaps you had anything about Harold John's grandfather Shadrack c1823-1880 and his descent?
I have his father Daniel died in Queensland in 1873, m East Hagbourne 1823, b Horton 1801.

This last place is either a misspelling for North and South Moreton, 1 mile from East Hagbourne, or it is Horton 3 miles east of Windsor. The latter just seems unlikely...

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Friday 28 October 11 10:47 BST (UK)
Hi Richard
       I do have some information on Shadrack I am not on my laptop but on daughter will send you information when i get home later today
Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: ribbo39 on Friday 28 October 11 13:05 BST (UK)
Hi,
Hagbourne PRs (ex OFHS);
baptism;
22-2-1824 Shadrach Wheeler s/o Daniel & Eliza, Labr

Marriage;
10-5-1823 Daniel Wheeler to Eliza Essex
wits; Henry Rayler, William Napper.    By Banns

Aston Tirrold PRs (ex OFHS);
marriage;
9-11-1846 Shadrach Wheeler, fa, bach, Shoemaker, Aston Tirrold father Daniel Wheeler Labr.   to
Hannah Blackall, fa, sp, Aston Tirrold. father Thomas Blackall, Labr.
wits; Isaac Blackall, Sarah Miles.     By Banns

Burials;
26-4-1881 Shadrach Wheeler, Aston Tirrold, age 57
1-11-1886 Hannah  Wheeler        "        "       "   66

Hope this helps you.

Alan
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Friday 28 October 11 14:16 BST (UK)
Hi Richard
    Children of Shadrack and Hannah

   all Bapt at st Micheal and all Angels Aston Tirrold
 
   Thomas Blackall Wheeler 12/09/1847
   William Wheeler 02/06/1850
   Ann  wheeler 07/06/1855
   Freerick Wheeler 25/07/1859
   Daniel Henry Wheeler 30/03/1862
 
    Marriage at St Micheal and All Angles Aston Tirrold
    20/08/1899

    John James Wheeler son of Shadrach Wheeler
    Alice Sabina Hicks father Edward Hicks
    wits to marriage Richard Coton and Louisa Aylett

    Burials St Micheal and all Angels
   25/04/1862
   Daniel Henry Wheeler age 4mths

   Do you have Shadrach siblings
   I can send them to you if you wont
   
    Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Richdwm on Friday 28 October 11 15:40 BST (UK)
 Many thanks to Alan and to Sandra...

 Now trying to find where they all lived.. Found Popes farm Aston Tirrold...

 And still worried about Shads father Daniel and from whence he came?



  All best

Richd

Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Friday 28 October 11 16:59 BST (UK)
Hi Richard

    On the 1881 census Thomas Wheeler born 1847 was living at
    Finch Farm Aston Tirrold
 
    On the 1901 census Thomas was living at Roberts Farm Aston Tirrold


   On the Parish records for st Michael Aston Tirrold is the following marriage

   17/01/1871
   William Wheeler son of Shadrack wheeler
    Maria Nias dau of William Nias
   wits to marriage Israel clack and Martha wheeler


   Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Friday 28 October 11 17:15 BST (UK)
Hi
   On the 1901 census John James Wheeler was living at Aston Street
   Aston Tirrold

    On the 1911 census John James Wheeler was living at Baker Street
    Aston Tirrold

    In the 1950 there were still Wheeler living on Baker Street Aston Tirrold

    If i have any more information i will send it to you I grow up in Aston Tirrold
    and i know the Wheeler family

    The Wheeler, Brown ,Lewington and the Dix family are all family
     
    My great aunt was Gladys Dix and she married a Wheeler

    Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Richdwm on Friday 28 October 11 17:38 BST (UK)
Sandy

 Info about William and Maria is fun - Martha was William's sister and Israel Clack was Maria's brother in law...

 I have pictures of William and Maria but not really sure how to post them. Will try when time.

 William and Maria went off to Fleet , and his sons George William and Harry went to North London to start a butchers' shop.

Two generations later we are now in Wallingford four miles away.

R
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Friday 28 October 11 17:53 BST (UK)
Richard
     There are still Wheeler living in Aston. My aunt and myself when to Aston Tirrold in July and we meet up.
Sandy
Title: Daniel Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Saturday 29 October 11 07:59 BST (UK)

 Thanks Sandy - found all the houses in Aston Tirrold now but still trying to find where William Wheeler lived.

And most important where Daniel Wheeler who married Eliza Essex 10 May 1823, and died in Queensland in Feb 1879, was born...

Can you help?

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Saturday 29 October 11 08:37 BST (UK)
Hi Richard
    I have not been able to find Daniel Wheeler. Do you know anything else about him like was he send to Queensland. I am going to Lego land for the day with my grandsons but when i get back i will have another go at Daniel
  Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: ribbo39 on Saturday 29 October 11 09:29 BST (UK)
Hi,

Taken from the 1851 census for East Hagbourne;  Ref HO107/1690 f.114 p. 9
Daniel Wheeler    Hd  M   50   Agr Lab   
Eliza         "        wife M   49                 
Abednego "         son  U   20     "     "     
Enoch      "           "    U   18     "     "
Jane         "        dau       11
Mary         "           "         9     
Lucy          "           "         4

All born Hagbourne

I have looked again at the Hagbourne PRs and still can't see either Daniel Wheeler or Eliza Essex's baptisms.

Alan
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Richdwm on Saturday 29 October 11 10:23 BST (UK)

 Thanks Sandy - both Daniel and Eliza died in ipswich Queensland so I hope they went of their own accord...

and thanks Alan - Can you confirm that Daniel was born in Hagbourne?  My late brother whose work i am following up had him born in Horton but i am not convinced...

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Saturday 29 October 11 18:38 BST (UK)
Hi Richard

      He is not on the parish records for Hagbourne,Didcot or South Moreton.

      I will try the parish records for North Moreton and Cholsey later to night or tomorrow morning. I am going to try Cholsey but i have been told the Wheeler from Cholsey have no links to our Wheeler
 Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Saturday 29 October 11 19:13 BST (UK)
Hi
     William Wheeler on the 1881 census was living in Blewbury
      on the 1891 census William Wheeler was living at Blewbury Barn
      London Road Blewbury
     
     On the 1801 census William Wheeler was living at Lower End
     Aston Upthrope

    Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Sunday 30 October 11 12:38 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard
    Do you know when Eliza died and if any of the children when with them to Queensland
     Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Sunday 30 October 11 13:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard
   I have found a Daniel Wheeler on Ancestry

   Daniel Wheeler born 1800 in Buckinghanshire
married in Berkshire and died in (look like) Queensland
parents Daniel Wheeler and Elizabeth Lawrence

Also
     Daniel Wheeler born 1803 in Berkshire married in Berkshire
Died in Queensland
Parents Daniel Wheeler and Martha Knight

   Also found a Daniel Wheeler born 1801 Berkshire died in Queensland
parents Daniel Wheeler and Martha Brown

   Will see what i can find out. I have set up a board on another website that i belong to

 Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Richdwm on Monday 31 October 11 07:39 GMT (UK)

 Sandy - That's brilliant !

 The details my late brother got were
  Daniel Wheeler                     b c 1801
                                       m East Hagbourne 10/5/1823
                                        d. Ipswich Queensland 10/2/1879

 Eliza Wheeler nee Essex  b 1803
                                     d 1871 Queensland

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Monday 31 October 11 07:53 GMT (UK)
Hi
    It looks like some of Daniel and Eliza children when with them
May Hicks Wheeler married Thomas Jones 1864 Queensland
Hannah Wheeler married James Savage have not got a date yet but she died 1914 Queensland

    Eliza Essex may be the daughter of William and Hannah Essex they have other children bapt in Hagbourne in 1790 and early 1800 but no Eliza found
Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Richdwm on Monday 31 October 11 09:04 GMT (UK)

 Thanks Sandy.  My late brother was in touch with the Queensland Wheelers, but I have no written information.

Richard
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: sandra c on Monday 31 October 11 09:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard
 
      Eliza Wheeler died 06/08/1870 Ipswich Queensland
born about 1803 Berkshire England daughter of William and Hannah 'Esseck'

     Daniel Wheeler died 20/02/1879 Ipswich Queensland born about 1802 berkshire England son of Daniel Wheeler and Martha Brown
   
      But that date of death is on a worldconnect tree for another Daniel Wheeler

      Jane Wheeler married Richard Smith 1859 Queensland
      Lucy Wheeler married George Nutley 1867 Ipswich Queensland


      I am going to my craft class but tonight will have another look for Daniel and his family

   What your link to the Wheeler family

   Sandy

Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Richdwm on Monday 31 October 11 11:57 GMT (UK)
 Thanks again Sandy.

The two Daniels dying  in Ipswich, Queensland on the same day of consecutive months seems improbable. I wonder what is going on?

 I have found the Daniel - Martha Brown connection on another site; That Daniel, father of ours, appears to have been born in Thatcham in 1772, died 1812, son of Richard Wheeler and Elizabeth Smallbone.

 I don't know how to check this!

 And my descent is from Shadrack d 1880- William d 1922- George William d 1966- Stanley John d 1994- Richard William (- and my son William...)

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: Richdwm on Wednesday 02 November 11 15:30 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Hagbourne PRs (ex OFHS);
baptism;
22-2-1824 Shadrach Wheeler s/o Daniel & Eliza, Labr

Marriage;
10-5-1823 Daniel Wheeler to Eliza Essex
wits; Henry Rayler, William Napper.    By Banns

Aston Tirrold PRs (ex OFHS);
marriage;
9-11-1846 Shadrach Wheeler, fa, bach, Shoemaker, Aston Tirrold father Daniel Wheeler Labr.   to
Hannah Blackall, fa, sp, Aston Tirrold. father Thomas Blackall, Labr.
wits; Isaac Blackall, Sarah Miles.     By Banns

Burials;
26-4-1881 Shadrach Wheeler, Aston Tirrold, age 57
1-11-1886 Hannah  Wheeler        "        "       "   66

Hope this helps you.

Alan

Alan - I wondered if you had a place of birth for Daniel wheeler father of Shadrach?  We seem to have found two or three candidates to be his father...

Many thanks

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheelrt
Post by: ribbo39 on Wednesday 02 November 11 22:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Richd,

No I haven't found a baptism for Daniel Wheeler.

I've looked in these transcripts (all ex OFHS);
E.Hagbourne, North & South Moreton, Blewbury,, Upton, Didcot,  Aston Tirrold (Daniel Henry Wheeler - bapt. & Bur. 1862 & Shadrack Bur 1881),  Long Wittenham, Sutton Courtenay, Appleford & Wantage - because  West Hagnourne was part of that parish until it had its own church.

 All these are either neighbouring or parishes close by Hagbourne

The IGI (FamilySearch) has several Daniel Wheeler baptisms in Berks - Reading 1793, Pangbourne 1797, Thatcham 1800 and Wokingham 1803 all are possibles, although I think Pangbourne is the most likely but still a few parishes away from Hagbourne. There are also two in Buckingham which are "submitted entries"

Not very helpful I'm sorry to say.

Alan
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Thursday 03 November 11 08:39 GMT (UK)
Hi
     Daniel and Eliza have name some of the children from  the Old Testament

     The book of Daniel


      Do we know who the Daniel Wheeler from Pangbourne  married
       I have not found a marriage for him yet
       Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Thursday 03 November 11 12:16 GMT (UK)
 Dear Sandy and Alan
Well I hope that our Daniel was not consigned to the lions' den nor  his Shadrach, mishach and Abednigo to the fiery furnace !

I am rather thinking that our line is going back to Daniel and Martha Wheeler in Thatcham rather than the Pangbourne trail... But i cannot yet tie in our Daniel married in East Hagbourne to the Daniel born in Thatcham  1800 (bpt 22 Feb 1800).

Many thanks for all your help

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Thursday 03 November 11 12:36 GMT (UK)
Hi
   From familysearch
 
      Daniel Wheeler born 1800 Thatcham parents Daniel and Martha Wheeler

      !881 census
      Daniel Wheeler born 1800 Thatcham living in Reading with wife Mary

     So not our Daniel ?
     
     Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Thursday 03 November 11 12:49 GMT (UK)
Hi
    On the 1881 census

       Daniel Wheeler born 1798 at Pangbourne  is a inmate at the
       Union Workhouse Oxford st Reading
       
       Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: DebbieG on Thursday 03 November 11 13:11 GMT (UK)
Hi

i don't know if you have seen this
In 1861 the Daniel Wheeler in Hagbourne married to Eliza gives his birthplace as Aston Buckinghamshire

Perhaps the emumerator made an error in 1851

DebbieG
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Thursday 03 November 11 14:40 GMT (UK)
Thank you Sandy and Debbie... It looks as if Pangbourne Dan is not the one... and we have been on a wild goosechase - if Dan was born is Aston then it does actually seem that he was Aston Tirrold in Berks not Bucks. (My grandpapa had a broad Berkshire accent and I know it was easy to mishear what he said)

Back to the drawing board...

Huge thanks to both of you (I am supposed to be writing a book at the moment but this is far more compelling)

Richard
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Thursday 03 November 11 14:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard
   tell me about it i am supposed to be looking for a kitchen for the house we are building not doing this Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: DebbieG on Thursday 03 November 11 20:06 GMT (UK)
Hi - I've been looking at this again this evening,  although Daniel's birthplace in 1861 has been transcribed as Aston Bucks,  to me it looks more like Orton, Bucks   -  which could be where the name Horton came from,  there is a Horton in Buckinghamshire.  I will try to attach a scan of that tiny bit so you can see

DebbieG
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Saturday 05 November 11 10:08 GMT (UK)
Hi
    Is the Daniel Wheeler that die in 1879 our Daniel Wheeler it has his parents as Daniel Wheeler and Martha Brown. I have found the following

      Daniel wheeler married Martha Brown in Thatcham Berkshire
      on the 26/03/1797, that is the name for the parents of Daniel Wheeler
      that die in 1879 Queensland what do you all think
     
     Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: DebbieG on Saturday 05 November 11 10:29 GMT (UK)
Hi
   From familysearch
 
      Daniel Wheeler born 1800 Thatcham parents Daniel and Martha Wheeler

      !881 census
      Daniel Wheeler born 1800 Thatcham living in Reading with wife Mary

     So not our Daniel ?
     
     Sandy

I don't think the Thatcham one is 'your' Daniel,  you found him (the Thatcham one ) in 1881 in Reading - see above.

I don't know where the info that the Daniel who died in 1879 Queensland had those parents came from?  it could just be someone taking a bit of a guess,  unless it is actually from the death certificate.

The birth places I scanned above is what the Daniel married to Eliza and living in Hagbourne gives as their birthplaces in 1861.  There is a Horton in Buckinghamshire and the records for it are not in the IGI as far as I can see.

DebbieG
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Saturday 05 November 11 10:44 GMT (UK)
Hi DebbieG

        I was send that information from someone who was trying to help.
        I was just thinking if we found his parents that we have  for the death in
         1879 in Queensland it may help i tried finding him in Buckinghamshire
        but i have got no where with it Must be doing something wrong

        Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: DebbieG on Saturday 05 November 11 11:19 GMT (UK)
I don't think those are the parents for the Daniel that died in Queensland - unless they came from his death certificate in which case I will be proved wrong.  I think the Daniel born to those parents is the one you found in Reading.

Not all parish records are available on-line,  so you may not be doing anything wrong - they just aren't available that way yet.  Buckinghamshire is quite bad in this respect as is Oxfordshire.

DebbieG
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Monday 14 November 11 19:42 GMT (UK)
Dear Debbie and Sandy

Going through my late brothers work I have found that he made a connection with Horton Bucks as follows:

Thomas Wheeler b ?
                         married Martha Hicks at  Langley Marish 5.11.1793
                          d. Horton 12.2.1801

Children: John bpt Horton 1794, Charles bpt Horton 1796, Thomas bpt 1798, Daniel b. 1799 bpt Horton 1801.

I do not know whether he amnaged to make a firm link with our Daniel, but one of Daniel's daughters is named Martha Wheeler and another Mary Hicks Wheeler.

How can we check this?

Richard
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Tuesday 15 November 11 17:41 GMT (UK)
HI
    i Had no luck today with it will try tomorrow and i have post that information on another site that i use. Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Vicwinann on Wednesday 16 November 11 00:35 GMT (UK)
Hello,
I have not been taking much notice of this thread. I should have done as I could have saved you some time looking at Daniel Wheeler 1800 Thatcham, son of Daniel and Martha nee Brown.
They are part of my Sellwood tree, Fanny Sellwood 1807 having married their son Charles 1811.
They are definitely not your people.

The Hagbourne Wheelers in 1851 were all born Hagbourne although as has been said Daniel could have been born in Bucks. It looks as if someone in the past has muddled the two Daniel Wheeler families of Thatcham and Hagbourne, and published as fact, a common occurrence nowadays.

1851 has Daniel 50 aglab Eliza 49, Abednego 20 aglab, Enoch 18 aglab Jane 11, Mary 9, Lucy 4.
The IGI has the marriage to Eliza Essex in 1823 Hagbourne.

On another part of my tree I have that Abednego bap 1831 East Hagbourne marr Charlotte Rhodes in 1856 and died in 1864, buried Bracknell. She remarried to a Seward, my other link.
Brother Shadrach Wheeler 1824 marr to Hannah Blackall and died 1881 as before posted.

Daniel Wheeler 1800 of Thatcham marr Mary Parker of Reading having moved there and they  had 6 children. Like many in his family he was a coachmaker.

Yours
Vicwinann

Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Wednesday 16 November 11 09:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Vicwinann

      Thank you for the information  it will help us. It is another step forward
     
      Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Thursday 17 November 11 08:38 GMT (UK)
Thanks to both - I think we have to discard all Berks possibilities for the line of Daniel, and come back to the Horton Wheelers.

But I don't understand why they don't show up on IGI. Where will my late brother have got the Horton information from?

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Wednesday 25 January 12 10:29 GMT (UK)

 Dear Sandi and all

 Another clue in the Daniel Wheeler saga - three of the sons, Meshack, Abednego and Enoch move to Warfield in Berks in the 1740s where there are scores of Wheelers already, presumably so that Daniel and Eliza together with younger children can emigrate to Queensland.

the 1841 census appears (from my reading of IGI) to show that Meshack might be living with Elizabeth Wheeler (b. 1776) there.

Might she be grandmother or maiden aunt?

What do you think?????

Richard W
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Vicwinann on Wednesday 25 January 12 17:18 GMT (UK)

Hello,
I think you meant 1840's. Are you still looking at Horton, Buckinghamshire Wheelers? Or back to the East Hagbourne ones?

If the East Hagbourne ones then Daniel is back there in 1851 (courtesy BFHS cd)
1851 Berks fhs
1690/114/9/38
East Hagbourne all b East Hagbourne
Daniel Wheeler 50 aglab
Eliza 49
Abednego 20 aglab
Enoch 18 aglab
Jane 11
Mary 9
Lucy 4

1851 Berks fhs cd
1690/7/6/18
Aston Tirrold
Shadrach Wheeler 27 Cordwainer East Hagbourne
Hannah 30 Aston Tirrold
Thos Blackall son 3 Aston Tirrold
William 11mth

and Meschach is in Warfield

Berks fhs cd
1694/502/7/22
Meshack Wheeler 24 farm lab Hagbourne
Lucy 24 Warfield
George 3 Warfield
William 2 Warfield
Charlotte 6mth Warfield

In 1861 Daniel and Eliza with two daughters are still in Hagbourne. Abednego and Meshak in Warfield. The latter with apparantly a host of children (familysearch) Shadrach is in Aston Tirrold. Enoch seems to have disappeared.

I would suspect that Meschach in 1841 (familysearch) in Binfield may be Elizabeth's grandson as if born in 1776 she would be a bit old to have had a 14year old son in 1841.

Unfortunately the familysearch censuses are no substiture for the "real" thing because families are often muddled up, so perhaps someone would do a lookup for these families.

Yours
Vicwinann
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Thursday 26 January 12 11:55 GMT (UK)


 Many thanks for that - and yes, I did mean 1840!

 Enoch moves that way as well, and marries Charlotte Attfield in Chobham, Surrey and then moves back to Cookham. Interestingly the Attfields appear to have strong connections with Warfield as well.
Meanwhile Mishack and Abednigo marry the Rhodes sisters in Warfield.

The next clue is that a number of the Warfield Wheelers come from Upton, next door to Hagbourne, and Blewbury between Upton and Hagbourne have Wheelers going back into the seventeenth century.

All this points to the Wheelers in Warfield, with their connections to Hagbourne, Upton and Blewbury, being more probable antecedents for Daniel than the Horton lot !

A sight of the 1841 census for Warfield would be a huge help to see who is in which household I guess.

Richard
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Thursday 26 January 12 15:36 GMT (UK)
HI
    I
      On the 1861 census Abednego place of birth is down as East Hartburn,and he is living with wife Charlotte born at Warfield and the following childrenall born at Warfield
  Lucy 4
  Richard 3

   Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Monday 30 January 12 08:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard

       On the 1841 census Meshach Wheeler is living at Murrel Hill Farm Binfield with the following

   Richard Wright
   Mary Hicks
   William Drew
   William Brant
   Arthur Biggs


   Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Monday 30 January 12 14:45 GMT (UK)

 Thanks for all that Sandy  . A huge help!  I rather think that Mary Hicks at Murrell Hill is the cousin of Daniel Wheeler, so that explains why Meshach goes there. (and she then marries Richard Wright in Reading...)

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Tuesday 08 January 13 10:04 GMT (UK)

 Sandy (and others!) 

I have been revisiting Daniel wheeler father of Shadrack and I find that others are putting him down as born in Wokingham 21/10/1803 twin of William, brother of Dorothea (30/4/02), son of Daniel b1749 and Elizabeth Ann Lawrence b 1/10/1773 Wokingham, d of John and Mary Lawrence.

I cannot remember if we rejected this possibility? His grandsons Mishach and Abednego come back to Warfield which is only 2 or 3 miles from Wokingham so it seems possible.

What do you think?

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Tuesday 08 January 13 10:22 GMT (UK)
HI Richard
Happy New Year.
         No we did not rejected him being born in  Wokingham in 1803 but we have no proof that it is him  Babysitting to day will have a dig around

     Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Tuesday 08 January 13 11:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard
    On the 1851 Census is the following

   Parish Berrow
   District Axbridge
    Admin County Somersetshire

   Name Daniel Wheeler
   Age 47
   Estimated Year of birth 1804
   Head
   Occupation Vicar of Berrow
   Place of birth Wokingham
   Birth County Buckinghamshire

   Name Louisa Small Wheeler
   age 47
    Estimated year of birth 1804
    Wife
    Birth Place Bristol
    Birth county Somerset

    Louisa Wheeler
    age 19
    Estimated year of birth 1832
    birth place Blagdon
    Birth county Somerset

    William Hancock Wheeler
    age 13
    birth place Blagdon
    birth county Somerset
     
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     Piece RS00

     Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Tuesday 08 January 13 13:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard In 1861 Daniel Wheeler born about 1804 at Wokingham is still living Berrow Somerset
 
 Also in  1861 a Daniel Wheeler born 1801 at Aston in Buckinghamshire is Living at Main Street East Hagbourn with wife Eliza and children Mary and Lucy
   
  Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Tuesday 08 January 13 14:34 GMT (UK)

 Thanks Sandy - That's pretty conclusive!  Back to the drawing board. (struggling up Eliza's line at the moment - hundreds of Pethers, Pithers and Nobes...)

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Tuesday 08 January 13 15:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard
    What information do you have on Eliza. There is no baptisms at st Andrew Hagbourne for a Eliza Essex
     Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Wednesday 09 January 13 13:32 GMT (UK)

 Sandy - I don't have any more than you on Eliza, I think, except some quite flaky stuff...

 First, one of the witnesses at the marriage of Daniel and Eliza was William Napper. This must be the one born in Aston Tirrold 18/10/1807, and whose son another William married Charlotte Pether, who must be a relation of Hannah, Eliza's mother. I don't think it can be Hannah's half-sister Charlotte who was born in 1794; but it does show the links between the families.

second - I can find no marriage between Hannah and William Essex. Since Hannah was only 14 when her first child Ann was born, I guess this is less than surprising.
Very shamingly, I cannot find where I got the relationship with John Pether Essex from - It was an early find and I am more clinical about research now... (very shaming...)

Third - there is another tree on Mundia which has a lot of Wallingford Wheelers - most easily found by searching on the site for Richard William Wheeler(!) b 1833 (Wallingford). These do not show on IGI - I know not why... IT would be great to find a link...

All best

R
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Wednesday 09 January 13 13:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard i will see what i can find out later today
Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Wednesday 09 January 13 15:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard

     The following it on familysearch

     John Pether Essex birth 1796 son of William Essex and Mrs Hannah Essex. William and Hannah married about 1793 at Hagbourn but i have not found a record for it yet.

    John Pether Essex married about 1816 at Hagbourn to Elizabeth Essex and not found record of it yet

     ON THE 1841 CENSUS

      John Pether Esseex
      age 45
     year of birth about 1796
     birth place berkshire
   
    John is living with wife Elizabeth born 1801
 
  and the following children
  William  born 1226,John born 1826, Thomas born1828,, Harriot born 1833,Edward born1839,James born1840 also living with them is Jane Sadler born1826,Marie Simson born1821 and Mary Ann Simson born1826They are all living in Hagbourne


    Aston Tirrold All Saints is the following information
    23 jun 1812 Ann Pether married James Bushell,wits Thomas Curtis and Richard Finch
   
   30th June 1810 William Napper married Ann Blackman, wits W Higgs and Rachael Armstrong

    Will have another look later Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Wednesday 09 January 13 16:47 GMT (UK)
Sandy -
" Aston Tirrold All Saints is the following information
    23 jun 1812 Ann Pether married James Bushell,wits Thomas Curtis and Richard Finch"

  Do you think this is our Ann Essex the child of her 14 year old mother Hannah Pether/Essex ? The next child is John Pether Essex - so perhaps William Essex and Hannah Pether did not marry until the third child Richard in 1797? ...if at all...

R
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Wednesday 09 January 13 17:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard
   Not sure has crossed my mind need to do a bit more digging. I am out tomorrow but will have a good look on Friday and over the weekend
   
 Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Friday 11 January 13 08:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard
   So far all that i have found it that i think

   Richard Wheeler born  1833 is the son of Joseph Wheeler and Dinah Wright

   Joseph Wheeler and Dinah Wright married 29th Sept 1828 at North Moreton

   Dinah Wright is the dau of William and Sarah Wright Bapism 27th Nove 1880 North Moreton

  On the 1851 census Joseph, Dinah, Richard and the family are living at St Peter  Church lane Wallingford

   

  Sandy

   PS i PM you with my e-mail
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: sandra c on Saturday 12 January 13 09:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Richard

    Sorry date for Dinah is 27th Nove 1808 (not 1880)

    Joseph and Dinah had another child (st peter wallingford)
    Richard Joseph Wheeler 16th Feb1831 poor house I will have to look in to this as there is the follwing information
    Burial Richard Joseph 4th Feb 1831 poor house(st peter wallingford)

   Baptism (st peter wallingford)

  Joseph Wheeler 22 jun 1806 son of Richard and Mary

    Sandy
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Saturday 12 January 13 18:37 GMT (UK)
Thanks Sandy !   I am not sure we are going to find a link with the Wallingford Wheelers but it could explain the appearance of Daniel in Hagbourne without any obvious antecedents.

We need a breakthrough !

All best

Richd
Title: Re: Child of Thomas Wheeler
Post by: Richdwm on Saturday 12 January 13 18:46 GMT (UK)

 ...and seeing whether I can find Drapers in Cirencester from the other side of my family!  Robert Draper b. 1819 Cirencester, who married my gt gt grandmother, Sarah Ann Warman, in Highworth c1847...
 Sadly IGI does not have records for Cirencester after 1812


RW