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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: boneman on Saturday 21 August 10 12:31 BST (UK)
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Born in Wells in 1776. I am looking for a husband, can anyone help?
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If you are 234 years old I wish you a great deal of luck with your toyboy! ;D
But to be serious, you can't have just plucked this name out of thin air, more information would be needed to look at your request, where have you got her name from? perhaps as the mother of children in a census? how would you know Creedy was her maiden name rather than married name?
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Ooops!
She was my wifes GGG Grandmother.
This is how it looks.
Gran Great Gran Great, Great GGG Gran
Wife-E.O'Donnell-Emma Anne Nutty-Emma Creedy-Emma Creedy (Could have been born in Abingdon)
1959-1900- 1861 1826 abt1778
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Still no idea how she connects, how do you know where she might have been born, something must have given you a clue, and how do you know if Creedy is her maiden name or surname.
We need the evidence for her that you have.
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I have this from a member.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,476277.0.html
Here is my tree
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/26033/family/pedigree?fpid=-2144324124
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Sorry I don't see any mention of Emma Creedy on that Rootschat post.
I notice that many question had to be asked on that post also to get some information to begin searching for you.
To provide a link to your tree, on Ancestry where a subscription is required to view it, and expect somebody to work it out to give you assistance is, I find very lazy.
My questions were relevant before I could begin to search.
The end.
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My apologies
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Hi Boneman,
Perhaps you should start again. What do you know about Emma born in 1826? We are trying to help you but I am afraid your tree is of no value to us. We need to know exactly what you know of Emma herself. In future please take a little time to tell us exactly what you do know about the person you are seeking help with.
Trying to sort this out - I see Emma in 1841 in Water Lane St Cuthbert in and out aged 15 Ind born in the county . She is living with Emma CREEDY aged 60 not born in the County a Shop Keeper. Also in the household we have Eliza CREEDY aged 10 ind. Given the age of these girls particularly the younger one it seems risky to assume Emma is their mother. Adult ages are rounded down in 1841 therefore Emma the senior could be as old as old as 64. HO107/962/9 Folio 9 Page 9.
Now looking at 1851 I note Emma the senior is listed as John Street Wells in St Cuthbert . HO107/1934 Folio 344 Page 45. She is aged 73 a widow born Abingdon BERKSHIRE. (Grocer) Living with her is young Emma aged 25, a shopwoman born in Wells. She is listed as daughter. Perhaps she is - it is just barely possible - perhaps she is not. What becomes of young Emma after this? I don't see her. Does she marry? If so the first thing you will need to do is purchase that marriage cert to ascertain her fathers name. Like Mary I can't follow what you have said either. Please take your time to tell us exactly what you know when requesting help.
Now Eliza FRY aged 20 is listed as wifes daughter to George and Ann FRY in St Cuthbert In. HO107/1934 Folio 347 Page 50 (a few pages away but also in St John Street) Ann FRY is 36 and born in Wells. In 1841 Anne CREEDY is 25 in Southood St Cuthbert. She is 25 a dressmaker born in the County. She is living with George FRY aged 20 a lab. George and Emma are next door to John 50 FRY a lab and his wife Sarah and family. Clearly Ann is too young to be Emma's mother but there is certainly a connection here. For interest there is a John aged 33 along with his wife Susan in Wells.
Cheers Kris :)
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Now Anne was a spinster at the time of marriage to George FRY
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=571524
Father JOSEPH
Unfortunately John's marriage was too early to list his father, but he does seem to like the name Joseph for his children
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=571195.
Now there is a marriage for a Joseph CREEDY in 1801
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=570148
wife Amy BRADLEY (Now the names Amy and Emma can be interchangeable)
There is an Amey BRADLEY baptised 4 Mar 1778 East Hendred Berkshire parents Willm and Eliz (certainly in the right area both Abingdon and East Hendred now in Oxfordshire)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
Perhaps Emma really is Emma's daughter (her last child) but I doubt it. There are several baptisms listed to Joseph and Amy/Amey/Amelia/Emma
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
If your Emma did marry the marriage cert is the only way forward. ;) Lets see if a father is listed. (although we often find illegitimate children quite often tend to list a grandfather as their father at time of marriage) Emma senior has one illegitimate granddaughter living with her in 1841 - I would have to wonder if perhaps she has two. I have had no luck with a baptism for young Emma. Eliza Amelia CREEDY was baptised to Nancy CREEDY (an alternative to Ann) 25 Dec 1830 St Cuthbert.
Cheers Kris :)
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OK I see Emma in 1861 married to John NUTTY with 3 children living with Emma senior now aged 85 in St John St St Cuthbert. She is still listed as Emma's daughter. RG9/1664 Folio 74 Page 12.
I wonder if this is Emma's marriage
Emma CREEDY = William John MITTEY Jun 1/4 1857 Shepton Mallett 5c 994
He is consistent with the name John throughout the census entries but I do not see a marriage for a John NUTTY to Emma so I do think the marriage I have outlined is the correct one. (oldest child is 3 in 1861)
The name is entered in this way on the original hand written index but may have been entered wrongly originally. I note from the 1861 entry Emma's infant son is William John NUTTY and her eldest son is Major Joseph NUTTY (Major and Joseph are certainly family names in the family I have outlined above.)
Cheers Kris :)
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Joseph CREEDY died 26 Apr 1831 and is buried at Well St Cuthbert 2 May 1831. He was aged 59.
Cheers Kris :)
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Freereg has Emma Creedy's marriage to William John Nuttey - labourer
Ss Peter and Paul, Shepton Mallet15 June 1857
father Joseph Creedy - Cloth Drafter
father William Nuttey - labourer
one of the witnesses was a John Creedy
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there is a baptism for an emma Creedy in Shepton Mallet but its much earlier than I was expecting
DOB 11 Sept 1812
DOBapt 19 Sept 1812
father Joseph Creed
mother Mary
its the only baptism where Joseph is the father
*** just found another baptism with father Joseph
Elizabeth 18 Jul 1819
mother Amey
which makes the age on 1841 very much out if its the same girl
I would be inclined to go through the parish records and note down all the Creedys in Wells and Shepton Mallet and see if you can work out which Emma and Eliza belong to which father, as the ages on the census don't match up with the ages of baptisms and marriages with the father called joseph.
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and to put the cat amongst the pigeons
on familysearch pilot site there is this baptism, which is the right time but the wrong father
Emma Creedy
25 Dec 1833
St Cuthberts Wells
residence Wells
Father John Creedy
mother Susan Creedy
same parents also baptise other children
Jane 25 Jan 1842
Eliza 30 Mar 1848
Henry Joseph 10 Apr 1839
Ann 1 June 1836
Joseph Major 30 Oct 1844
William Major 1853
amelia 5 June 1831
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That is a different Emma. (dau of Joseph and Mary in 1812.) She is aged 25 living with her father in 1841 in Shepton Mallet where she marries in 1846
Kris :D
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No cat among the pigeons - that is John and Susan I have mentioned - John is the son of Joseph and Emma. They had a daughter Emma also (1833) she is also listed in 1841 with her parents John and Susan. There is no baptism that I can find for the correct Emma.
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*** just found another baptism with father Joseph
Elizabeth 18 Jul 1819
mother Amey
which makes the age on 1841 very much out if its the same girl
I would be inclined to go through the parish records and note down all the Creedys in Wells and Shepton Mallet and see if you can work out which Emma and Eliza belong to which father, as the ages on the census don't match up with the ages of baptisms and marriages with the father called joseph.
Sorry you are confusing me now with this addition I see you have now made to your previous post red. Yes there are several baptisms listed to Joseph and Amy/Amey/Amelia/Emma as I have mentioned - some listed on the IGI and some on the pilot site.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
Elizabeth is not Emma or Eliza. ??? Joseph and Amy/Emma had several children. (The earlier ones baptised in Axbridge the later ones in Wells St Cuthbert) There is no Emma that I can find born about 1826 (she is consistant with her place and date of birth throughout the census entries) The last baptism I have located to Joseph and Emma is for Major in 1821 (which is about what I would expect - mother around 43. Emma was born 5 years later so mother about 48 - mmm - just possible) so even though I have a suspicious nature perhaps Emma really was Emma's last child. (though funny no baptism showing) If I were you Boneman I would go through the St Cuthbert parish records just to be sure it is not there. If you are not able to visit the records office you could hire the register in to your local LDS family history library.
Eliza's baptism in 1830 does match up. She is the daughter of Joseph and Emma's daughter Ann/Nancy
Kris
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I agree with everything you are saying Kris but I was pointing out there were other possibilities and not to take the census details at face value.
I also found the other Emma, daughter of Nancy, but is Nancy Ann? What proof is there to that? I have Somerset ancestors and the Nancys I have in that line were also baptised as Nancy.
Jenny Creed
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Hi Jenny,
The proof is the 1851 census where young Eliza is listed as wifes daughter to George Fry. His wife is Ann. Ann/Nancy are often interchangeable as are Emma/Amy. Even using sites like the IGI when you ask for Emma you will be given Amy, when you ask for Amy you will be given Emma as well. Ask for Ann you will get hits for Nancy - Ask for Nancy you will be given Ann's as well.
Cheers Kris :)
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Please bear with me!
My wife's father's mother was Eileen Pretoria O'Donnell. Of that I have documentary evidence (birth certificate). I am awaiting a confirmation birth certificate for EP at the moment. I am quite sure that her father was John O'Donnell (1853-). His wife was Emma Ann Nutty (1861-1909) They were in Kent at the beginning of 1900's. They had quite a few children. John was a soldier and the some kind of builder(?) and moved about a bit. John and Emma married in chelsea (I found the wedding bann). Emma Ann's father was William J Nutty (1834-1898) and he was married to Emma Creedy 1826-(I hope!)
That is what I have, is it enough?
Just had confirmation that EP's mother was a Emmeline O'Donnell nee Nutty. I cannot find and Emmeline anywhere on Ancestry but the marriage documents (see above) confirm an Emma. It seems she was a Matron at SS Greenstreet at Shorncliffe Camp in 1900. I cannot find out anything about that either!
Thanks for your patience.
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Hi,
I have looked at the marriage cert for John O'DONNELL and Emma Ann NUTTY, 5 Jun 1878 Emma was 21 a spinster father William John NUTTY a carpenter. She lists in the census as born in Wells Somerset so yes I agree, you have the correct person. John was a soldier at the time of marriage and lists as being in the Army Service Corps in 1881, 1891 and still a barracks lab in 1901 so he was a career soldier. Naming his daughter Eileen Pretoria, I wonder if he was involved in the Boer War when Pretoria surrendered in 1900 - the name certainly had meaning to him anyway, hence his daughters name in that particular year. The name Pretoria was used in a lot of names in 1900.
I wouldn't be too concerned about Emmeline instead of Emma Ann. Emmeline is really just another version of Emma. (sounds a bit more classy) Also could you have wrongly read Emma Ann as Emmeline? Easily done.
I am sorry I have no military expertise to help with John's career. Someone on the armed forces board may be able to help further with that. All the best.
Cheers Kris :)
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Thanks for all the information, now back to Emma Creedy!
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Boneman,
Just discovered this thread. Are you still interested in Emma Creedy, baptised on 1 March 1826, and her parents? If so, I have information.