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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Jill E on Saturday 21 August 10 06:22 BST (UK)
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Is it possible to get copies of Electoral Rolls for Sydney in the mid 1930's to 1950's.
I have the Electorate that I am interested in but no idea where to go for the info.
I will be phoning the Electoral Office after this weekend....thought they might be too busy with the Election at the moment.
Electorates are Cook and Watson in Sydney
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Hi
A number of NSW Electoral rolls are on Ancestry and are searchable by name, I'm not sure that local Electoral offices would have old rolls, you usually find them in local Archives or possibly the State Library of New South Wales.
Andy
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Thanks for your reply
I used to belong to Ancestry but my subscription ran out and I dont really want to pay to join again just yet. I might later in the year but just thought someone might know where to look.
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Hi
Who are you looking for? I can have a look for you. Otherwise, unless someone with local knowledge can help, you could ask the Electoral offices where old versions of there rolls would be but I would leave it for a few weeks as they will be extremely busy for a while yet.
Andy
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http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-5/?searchterm=electoral%20rolls
Cando
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Cando and Andy have given you a couple of pointers.
Ancestry's rolls are up to 1954 and don't have any for SA. Australian National Library has later ones, as well as some State libraries.
You can often access Ancestry from local municipal libraries who have a library subscription - you usually have to go to the library for access.
Judith
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Thanks everyone for your replies.
I am looking for Robert George Templeman
I got him from the Ancestry Index
Electorate District - Cook, NSW in 1936,1937,1943
Electorate District - Watson, NSW in 1949,1854
And there is a death in 1989
It would also be interesting to see any Templemanswho were living with him. I have been able to get his Army Service Records but have two conflicting names for a wife.
He has been very difficult to find out about him. Wish he had been on my list while I was with Ancestry.
I did visit the local library but Ancestry access is limited on the Library Version so could not find much for Austalian Records.
I live in an Electorate of one of the four Independants elected so looks like an interesting time in politics for our area.
Thanks to all who replied
Jill
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I am surprised your local library's version doesn't have all the Aussie info. My local library's version is wonderful as it is a world-wide sub so I can see things which my .au subscription doesn't cover.
Australian Cemetery Index:
Robert George TEMPLEMAN, died 11 Feb 1989, buried Griffith cemetery.
Back shortly with the electoral rolls.
Judith,
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Jill
Throughout they are at the same address being Rhodes St Matraville.
Jessie TEMPLEMAN HD
John poultry farmer
Laura Mabel HD
Robert George poultry farmer
In 1949 and 1954 no Jessie shown
Annie
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Robert G TEMPLEMAN m Laura M RICHARDSON
1933 Redfern #10004
Annie
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John and Jessie are Robert's parents
Birth 1904 Robert G TEMPLEMAN at Waterloo #17853
Parents John and Jessie
Annie
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For your interest a couple of Cemetery details....
TEMPLEMAN, ROBERT JOHN GEORGE died 11/2/1989.
Aged 69 years.
Buried Anglican Cemetery , Griffith NSW
Records from St Albans
There are no others I can see of the name at the same Cemetery though other TEMPLEMAN's are in the region.
Sue
EDIT typo ammended
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Possibly this is a newspaper notice for your LAURA's death
TEMPLEMAN, Laura Mabel. Death notice published on 02 DEC 1975 late of Maroubra in the Sydney Morning Herald.
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
Sue
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Thanks Sue
Do you have the names of the other Templemans in the Griffith area.
Jill
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Sorry info already posted - my computer thinks it can have a go-slow!
Electoral rolls
Robert George TEMPLEMAN
1936, 1943
poultry farmer, with Jessie, home duties, John, poultry farmer and Laura Mabel all showing address as Rhodes St Matraville
1949, 1954 (!954 shows street number 96)
poultry farmer, with Laura Mabel, home duties, Rhodes St Matraville
There is also a birth for Robert G TEMPLEMAN which you probably have:
1904
father John TEMPLEMAN, mother Jessie, reg at Waterloo, #17853
And the marriage:
Robert G TEMPLEMAN = Laura M RICHARDSON, 1933 at Redfern #10004
Judith
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Hi,
There is no Monumental Inscription for ROBERT at GRIFFITH.
Yes, I can give you the names of other TEMPLEMAN's in the area.
As I said, they are not at GRIFFITH.
Burial locations include WEST WYALONG, CARGELLIGO and BARMEDMAN.
I will now simply type the ELEVEN names and you can advise if any are of real interest. Happy to give details if so ;D
ALMA FRANCES, ANNIE, EDWIN ERNEST, FREDERICK JAMES, GEORGE JOSEPH, IVY MAUD, JOHN DUDLEY, LOUIS JOSEPH, NELLO DUDLEY, PERCY JOSEPH., STANLEY WILLIAM.
Sue
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Thanks Judith
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Thank You Sue
I am most interested in Robert.
I assume he was the only one in Griffith Cemetery
I am trying to find out what happened to him. I have a copy of his Military Record....he gives his wife as Marjorie.
I cannot find his birth and do not know his parents. He certainly is a mystery.
I think I will have to buy his death certificate to fine out more....hopefully that is him.
Not sure where the other Templemans come into it, they maybe no relation at all. I do have info on some of them. They all seem to be related, the family of two brothers.
Thanks again for your help
Jill
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Hi Jill,
I assume he was the only one in Griffith Cemetery JILL E
As I advised in REPLIES #11 and #15 he is the only one of the name I am able to see.
Reminder also, there can be errors and omissions in Cemetery (and all )records.
Sue
Sue
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Hi
I am trying to find out what happened to him. I have a copy of his Military Record....he gives his wife as Marjorie.JILL
I am able to see only one Service History for a ROBERT TEMPLEMAN in Australia.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/doc/about.asp
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Name -TEMPLEMAN, ROBERT
His Service was in the Australian Army
Service Number NX58012
His Date of Birth was 11 Nov 1918
And Place of Birth SYDNEY, NSW
Date of Enlistment 17 Jul 1940
His Locality when he Enlistmed was SURRY HILLS, NSW
Place of Enlistment PADDINGTON, NSW
Next of Kin TEMPLEMAN, MARIAN
Date of Discharge 18 Dec 1940
I do not see MARJORIE
This man has no second given name recorded.
Sue
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Hi
The other ROBERT TEMPLEMAN.....
ROBERT E.(probably EDGAR) TEMPLEMAN was born 1888
REG. 21156 In 1888 TEMPLEMAN, ROBERT E. father ROBERT E. mother MARION E. at MORUYA
His parents were ROBERT E and MARION E. (probably EMMELINE)
They were married in1883.
Reg. 4065 In 1883 TEMPLEMAN, ROBERT to CARTER, MARIANE E. at BRAIDWOOD
ROBERT E married IDA DASECKE in 1914
Reg.7841In 1914 TEMPLEMAN ,ROBERT E. to DASECKE, IDA M. at KYOGLE
ROBERT EDGAR died in 1961
Reg.16120 In 1961 TEMPLEMAN, ROBERT EDGAR father ROBERT mother MARION KYOGLE
His mother MARIAN/MARION died in 1947
Reg. 16165 In1947 TEMPLEMAN, MARION EMMALINE father ROBERT aged82 YRS at PENRITH
The man of the Service History (above) is related to MARION/MARION.
He may be her son having taken an unlikely 20 years off his age. ::)
He may be her grandson.
She was still living at his time of enlistment.
I am trying to find out what happened to him. I have a copy of his Military Record....he gives his wife as Marjorie.JILL
The ROBERT in this marriage is uncertain at this time.
Reg. 15247 In 1940 TEMPLEMAN ROBERT, to BRIGDEN, MARJORIE in SYDNEY.
At WOODENBOURG CEMETERY in the Shire of KYOGLE
TEMPLEMAN, ROBERT EDWARD (incorrect) died 11/1/1961 aged 68 (??)
With
TEMPLEMAN, IDA MARIA d. 29/10/1968 aged 73
http://www.ozcemeteries.com/nsw_cemeteries/woodenbong.htm
There is a photo
Sue
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The person who Sue has listed with a WW2 military record is not the Robert TEMPLEMAN who was living in Matraville.
The Matraville man, Robert George TEMPLEMAN, is the one who has parents John and Jessie, wife Laura Mabel and was born in 1904. Matraville is the address in the Cook and Watson electorates (the name for the electoral subdivision changes but the street and suburb address remain the same).
On looking at the NSW BMDS again I see this death:
1962 Robert George TEMPLEMAN, parents JOHN and JESSIE, death registered at NEWTOWN #35830
It would appear likely that this is the death for the R G TEMPLEMAN who lived in Matraville.
So not sure which Robert you are looking for.
Judith
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Hi Judith,
Yes, I have tried in the above screed to help clarify and differentiate the 2 ROBERTS.
Waiting to hear now from Jill so she may let us know whether she thinks the one who was the son of MARIAN is the correct man afterall
[or is there yet another ??? ???]
Sue
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MMmm..
Can't find the death on NSW indexes for IDA M. TEMPLEMAN.
Perhaps she died interstate.
Sue
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Thanks for all the info given
The Robert George Templeman I am looking for was brought up by Marion (Marianne ) Templeman. This is his Grandmother by adoption.
Marion Templeman is given as his NOK on his Army Records. I am assuming this Army Record is the one for my Robert George beacause of the DOB given and how many Robert Templeman of the correct age and name would have a Marion as a NOK.
DOB is given as 11 Nov 1918
On the Army Records there is an added note that he had a wife Marjorie. There is a marriage in 1940 of Robert Templeman to Marjorie Brigden in Sydney.
I cannot find anything on Robert and Marjorie after this date.
I am sure this is the Robert I am trying to find
Jill
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That's good news Jill. The Matraville man is not your man and obviously you'll need to be careful in looking at other records as there are the two men with similar names alive at the same time.
Will now have a hunt and see if we can find anything else about your chap.
Judith
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Hi Jill
Just to clarify a couple of things, where did you get a middle name of George from? Both his military record and his marriage index only have him as Robert Templeman.
Was Marion/Marian his mother or grandmother? You refer to Marion as his adoptive grandmother but in the military record she is his mother.
Andy
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Hi Jill,
I would like to recommend you take a little time to read the thread with care as a number of points have been noted which you are seeming to still be unsure of.
Have you looked at my reply #20 which sets out the relationship between ROBERT EDGAR TEMPLEMAN and MARION/MARIAN?
Sue
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Yes Robert Edgar Templeman is a son of Robert and Marion (Marianne) Templeman
Later Marion either adopted or fostered a son called Robert George Templeman (not sure if this is his birth name or one given to him by Marion.)
I have a copy of a birth certificate for a SON of Robert George Templeman born 1939.
Robert George is shown as age 20 at this time. The mother is named as Elizabeth. Elizabeth is later shown as being single so not sure that any marriage took place.
This son is living and does not know his parents. I cannot give his name for privacy reasons. He lived with one of Marions daughters. This aunty did not have any children of her own so no descendants to ask.
I am going to see if I can get a copy of the death certificate, hoping that the George Robert Templeman buried in Griffith is the one.
I will keep you posted
Jill
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Hi
Information about births in NSW for few years after 1909 (end of online indexes) can sometimes be found.
You may possibly get this assistance if you start a new thread with a heading which clearly states the period you are looking for.
You may locate the birth of the boy ROBERT which you think is around 1818
Sue
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I have requsted a transcription of the certificates. Not sure if later dated BMD records are available to Transcription agents or not. I can only hope they are.
Jill
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Hi Jill
I will send by Personal Message some information regarding NSW births between 1909 and 1918.
This information has been kindly found for you by CraiziDaizi.
Sue
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Hi Jill,
The marriage transcript for ROBERT to MARJORIE
Reg. 15247 In 1940 TEMPLEMAN ROBERT, to BRIGDEN, MARJORIE in SYDNEY.
will be readily available. It may be worth your while to purchase it as it may hold relevant information if this is your man.
What you can find on NSW Certificates
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Sue
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Thank you Sue
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Electoral Rolls
(no other TEMPLEMANs at any of these addresses)
1930
Marion Emmeline TEMPLEMAN, masseuse, 32 College St, East Sydney
1937
Marion Emmelene TEMPLEMAN, home duties, 67 Greens Rd, Glenmore
1943,
Marion Emeline TEMPLEMAN, masseuse, 18 Rosina St, Fairfield
Judith
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Hi all!
I'm unsure if anyone from this thread is still active, but I thought it worth a shot.
I believe my mother is the daughter of the Robert Templeman in those military records listed previously as the birthdate matches up. We know very, very little about him as my nan and him parted ways when my mother was about 5 (in 1974.)
I've had a really hard time finding anything other that those records because I'm not very clued up on researching.
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Hello Tasha,
I am very sorry but your reply to Jill's post has sadly bounced back to us because it looks like her email address is no longer working. I did do a little search for Jill but could only find the contact details we currently have. Old members do log in and I hope that this will be the case here but in the mean time you may wish to start off a "new topic" to help with your own line of research.
Regards
Sarah