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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Nottinghamshire => England => Nottinghamshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: carrumba on Friday 20 August 10 19:00 BST (UK)
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Hi there!
This Selina Gardner is a little bit of a mystery and I suspect she is illegitimate but wanted to test my theory as only fairly new to this game. The Gardner family name has carried on as a middle name through my wife's side.
Selina Gardner married a Charle James Javesn. They had three children and my wife is related throughtheir son Herbert Javens who moved up to Glasgow.
I cannot find a birth certificate for Selina Gardner but she appears in the 1871 census aged 4 as a grandaughter with another grandson (Frederick Gardner) in the household of Henry Gardner and Charlotte Laycock. Of their children, I perhaps wrongly, suspect their daughter, Emma Gardner of being a likely mother to Selina. She is in the 1851 census with the family aged 7, absent in the 1861 census when she would have been 17 and reappears with the family in the 1861 census along with these grandchildren. Selina Gardner appears to be the only one of them not born in Newark and I think i found her listed as having been born in Claypole, Lincolnshire, but I am not sure.
A bit sketchy but I hope someone can help! Incidently, Charles and Selina's son, Herbert, called one of his daughters Selina Gardner Javens who is my wife's grandmother. :D
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Hi
There's a birth registration for a Selina Gardner as born in Newark area, Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire. Claypole isnt that far from Newark and with boundary changes since then it could be the right place.
The certificate reference is 7b 320, Jan-Feb-Mar 1867.
There is another Selina born 1868 but the place is wrong. For her to be 4 in 1871 she would have to have had her 4th birthday before April 1871, so 1867 fits her just turning 4 on the census.
Hope this helps
Regards
Ruth
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On the 1861 Emma appears Emma Gardener; aged 18 born Newark (she's transcribed as Emma Gardenor)
She is working as a House Servant at 1 Regent Terrace, Nottingham for a Wine & Spirit Merchant, Julius Martin.
1881 Selina (transcribed as Selma) is with the grandparents again, aged 14, but down as their daughter instead.
Also got Charles James' marriage to Selina in 1887 at St Paul's Church in Hull. It might be worthwhile posting on Yorkshire board to see if anyone has access to these marriages as that may give father (or not as the case may be).
Is your Charles James the one that dies in Hull in 1891 and a possible remarriage for Selina in 1868 to Arthur Beeching?
Selina's brother Frederick's birth registration looks like it could be Jan-Feb-Mar 1863, 7b 295, again Newark and it looks like Frederick died in 1882, aged 19
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Emma has an elder brother called George on an earlier census (born 1840/41). Looks like George married a lady called Selina so your Selina could possibly have been named after her or been her and George's child maybe?
Its the birth certificates or marriage certificates that will solve it :)
Edited: George married Selina Barsley on 14 August 1865 at St Paul Deptford, London
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Hi All,
My name is Stephen Beech, I live in New York, USA. I am a direct decedent of Henry Gardner, Charlotte and Henry Gardner were my GG Grandparents on my mother's side. My mother being the last Gardner (I think that live(d) in the UK. She died in May, 2011. I'm at work right now and will gladly share my thoughts of the great Selina (Selma) issue. I've been trying to figure out who she belong to for almost twelve years. In the meantime, I can throw you all a bone until I get home, Selina (Selma) WAS born illegitimate at the Claypole/Newark Union Workhouse in 1868 I have some documentation. Listed as her mother was Emma Gardner.. Father of course was unknown, things never change do they. Would love to share info etc.
In ref the the posting of George and Selina Gardner nee Barsley, I have a photo of the two of them on their wedding day. She look like a true lady but it's very deceiving as she too was born in a Lincolnshire Workhouse this one is well documented.
Please comment
Steve Beech
P.S. One of Henry and Charlotte's other sons David Gardner in my G Grandfather, that's my line
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Wow!
Thank you Rutht and Sggbee!! HAd forgotten about this post i made in amongst all the other lines of my wife and I's family that I have been researching.
All the posts were very satisfying that they backed up 100% what I had found and, yes, there was a remarriage to Mr. Beeching.
Sggbee> drop me a private message and we can exchange the info we have :-)