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How would i find out the details of a will probated in the early 1800 in yorkshire .May just save my sanity, i'm pulling out my hair. Thanks janey anne
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Hi
Yorkshire is a big county so you need to know which of the three ridings.
Pre 1858 wills were probated in church courts. Generally speaking if someone only owned property/ possessions contained in one dioceses (the jurisdiction of a bishop) the will was proved in a lower church court, but had to go up to a higher court if their wealth was more widespread or if the chose to. Lower church court records are held in local county record offices. The Prerogative Court of York held jurisdiction over the whole of Northern England (Archbishopric). PCY wills are held at the Borthwick Institute at York (their is an index on British Origins which charges to view). The highest court was the Prerogative Court of Canterbury held in London - wills but not administrations are electronically indexed at The National Archives website.
What was the persons name and where did they live?
Regards
Valda
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Also some parts of North Yorks come under the Diocese of Chester and those Wills are held at Cheshire Record Office :-\ I don't think I'll ever get the hang of this.
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Hi
The way I do it is Phillimore Atlas (expensive purchase in its day but I've had years of good service). Each county is shown with all the individual parishes and the colour of each church court and its jurisdiction.
East Riding
Archdeaconry of Cleveland
Archdeaconry of East Riding
Archdeaconry of York
Peculiars (the small individual parishes that were an exception)
North Riding
Archdeaconry of Cleveland
Archdeaconry of the East Riding
Archdeaconry of Richmond
Peculiars
West Riding
Archdeaconry of Richmond
Archdeaconry of York
Peculiars and a couple of detached parishes which I think is where the Archdeaconry of Chester comes in
In the end apart from the small number of individual parishes that are peculiar or detached it seems to boil down to the Archdeaconry courts of Cleveland, East Riding, Richmond or York and the PCY.
Regards
Valda
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The Phillimore Atlas is on my wish list :) I know that the Parish of Ainderby Steeple is in the Diocese of Chester so that must be one of the exceptions. Sorry if I've confused things and thank you for that info.
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Hi
Accordingly to Phillimore's Atlas Ainderby Steeple is 'central - my term' North Riding and in the Archdeaconry of Richmond
According to this website though we don't really need to go down this far in Anglican church subdivisions, the Archdeaconry of Richmond is made up of 24 Deaneries with the parish of Ainderby Steeple and 15 other parishes in the 'Deanery of Richmond East'
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Descriptions/NRY/NRYDescription7.html
Regards
Valda
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The origins network is indexing the wills of the Yorkshire peculiars
http://www.originsnetwork.com/NWIWelcome.aspx
so you could looki on there, and if it is there you can order via the website or direct from the Brothwick Institute
(I think you can buy credits for the Origins network if you are not a member)
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That's interesting, I wonder if I've misunderstood ordination records as according to the CCEd site Ainderby came under Chester :-\ I wonder if that was during the period I was interested in (1700-43) and it has since changed?
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If you say the name someone may help
Bob
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That's interesting, I wonder if I've misunderstood ordination records as according to the CCEd site Ainderby came under Chester :-\ I wonder if that was during the period I was interested in (1700-43) and it has since changed?
I don't think it automatically follows that someone would necessarily go to a parish in the Diocese where they were ordained. It would depend on patronage and also the university college they attended - if that is what you are thinking.
Carole
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Hi Carole, he was vicar of Ainderby Steeple which according to the CCEd site came under Chester, but I feel I've unintentionally hijacked this thread so I'll :-X ;D
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Hi
The link davidft gave to British Origins also gives information on their indexes for the Prerogative Court of York that Origins holds
Prerogative & Exchequer Courts of York Probate Index 1731-1858
Just while we wait for Janeyanne to comback with further information I hope this will enlight us (it isn't easy to get your head around it and I thought London was tricky) on where the local wills for the parish of Ainderby Steeple should be held
'The Ancient Parish of AINDERBY STEEPLE
AINDERBY STEEPLE, a parish in the wapentake of Gilling East, and liberty of Richmondshire; 3 miles WSW. of Northallerton. A parochial village, the church of which is dedicated to St. Helen, in the deanry of Richmond, diocese of Chester. The living is a vicarage, in the patronage of the King; incumbent the Rev. James Robson, A. M, Population, 266.'
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Ainderbysteeple/index.html
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'The diocese of Chester was created in 1541, and this is the diocese for most of Lancashire. The diocese of Chester was split into archdeaconries which held their own ecclesiastical courts........
Archdeaconery of Richmond
The Archdeaconery of Richmond comprised the part of Lancashire north of the River Ribble, and parts of Cumberland, Westmorland and Yorkshire. It was further subdivided into deaneries. Boroughbridge, Catterick and Richmond were known as the eastern deaneries, and their records are deposited in the West Yorkshire Archive Service in Leeds. The western deaneries, which are either wholly or partly in Lancashire, comprise Amounderness, Copeland, Furness, Kendal and Lonsdale. Their records are held at the Lancashire Record Office. '
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/probate.html
which whether I truly understand it all or not, still I think would place any wills from Ainderby Steeple with West Yorkshire Archive Service not Cheshire Record Office as it was in an eastern deanry of the Archdeaconry of Richmond. Anything georgraphically wider than that being proved in the PCY.
http://www.cheshireeast.gov.uk/leisure,_culture_and_tourism/family_history/wills_and_probate_records.aspx
Let's hope finding the will for Janeyanne is going to be easier. Pity Ainderby Steeple was such a small place as the odds are that she won't be interested in anyone from there - just when it looked like that was may be cracked!
Regards
Valda
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Thank you Valda, it's even more complex than I thought. I hope Janeyanne has as much success on Origins as I did yesterday, I'm very excited about what I found.
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well thank you all i must say i didn't expect such a huge response :o to my question on wills, i am trying to prove wether or not my relation is john brigham (farmer ) of pocklington .The brigham line included my gran jane ann (1868-1953) daug of william and ellen ,william s parents were robert and mary anne who married in parish church in humbleton . this one states that robert's father john was a farmer , This is where i come unstuck there are so many brighams farming in the area i have no idea where to go from here . I thought if i could find john's will i may be able to get a clearer view. i am going to take notes of all the advice to take with me when i go to find out . will definatley keep you all updated many thanks for all your replies . jane ann :) im off now on origins to check out on there too sorry i didn't get back sooner valda , weddings and family took me away from research for a while thanks again all :) :)
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I have just downloaded a will...from Australia record office :D...isn't the internet wonderful!
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and thanks to valda i have been looking at churches , parish records and found the vicar who married my g/g/g/grandparents in 1841 is buried in the churchyard , hmmm not too far away for me to take a bus ride with my camera may just get a few photo's to show on my you all
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origins looks like a great site for what i need David it has more than enough to keep me occupied for quite a while Thanks for the tip , hopefully it will prove as good as it looks cheer's janeyanne
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i still haven't got round to this ,its bugging me tho so doing it next week with help from my niece ::) can't believe i let it drag on this long .