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Title: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Rachael89 on Wednesday 18 August 10 21:14 BST (UK)
Has anyone else encountered many instances where relatives have used their middle names as first names throughout their lives? Two of my paternal great-aunts went my middle names, as did two sisters who were cousins of theirs. I must say, it can make researching people extremely confusing!

I would assume that they were known by their middle names because the child displayed a dislike for their actual first name, but that's refuted by the fact I have many comments on photos were children are referred to by their middle names as babies/toddlers!
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: patrexjax on Wednesday 18 August 10 21:20 BST (UK)
Wow!  This one hits home!  :o   My Father was born William Amor King but all the time he was in England from 1888 to about 1912 or so he was known as "Amor"....then he went to Canada where he was known as "William" or "Bill"....After 1930 he was in the USA and he was known as "Bill" BUT signed his name as "W.A. King"!!! Yes, he has been a lot of fun to search for on various documents....My Father's middle name was in honor of his Uncle who was the closest in age to my Grandmother and I am certain they felt a strong bond......Pat
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 18 August 10 21:21 BST (UK)
Hello Rachael,
this is a subject that comes up quite often due to the frustrations it causes. :)

My husband's family- all living are known by a different name.

I think quite often you see where the child has the parent's name as first name but is often called by middle name to distinguish them from the parent. At least it is often a family name which is passed on.

regards
heywood
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: trystan on Thursday 19 August 10 00:28 BST (UK)
Three of my living relatives are using their middle names rather than their first names.  :)

They're all on the run....

(only joking on that last bit!)

Trystan
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: PrueM on Thursday 19 August 10 01:46 BST (UK)
Yes!  In almost every generation I've at least one example.

My great-grandmother's name was Emily Caroline Ethel, but for some reason, for her whole life, she used the name Ethel.  I'd often wondered why, with two other very nice given names, she had to go for the "Ethel" option...then I found her on the 1891 census, aged 9, called Ethel  ;)  She had two aunts named Emily and Caroline, and her mother and both grandmothers were also called Caroline, so I supposed it was the practical option!

Cheers
Prue
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Suzy W on Thursday 19 August 10 01:50 BST (UK)
Oh yes found this so often in my family.  Nan was Cecelia but called after her middle name of May.  Auntie was Elsie but known by Mary.  Another Aunt is Dorothy but known as Joan.  Great grand mother is a puzzle, she was Mary but known as Polly.
My mum was Noelene but called "No No" by her nephew.  I do not think any of the female line liked their first names ;)

Suzy W
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: andycand on Thursday 19 August 10 01:56 BST (UK)
Hi

I'm known by my middle name, Andrew, and have been since I was a baby. My first name is the same as my fathers so maybe that is why I was always called Andrew. It does have one plus to it, if anyone rings and asks for me by my first name then its not someone I know.

Andy
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Colin Cruddace on Thursday 19 August 10 02:12 BST (UK)
I've just seen Andycand's reply as I was about to put pen to paper  ;D

I'm a bit surprised that most people attribute the blame to the people themselves, who are known by their their middle name. This is usually the name they were brought up with so it is the parents' decision as to which name is used.

My two eldest are known by their middle names, because we had decided which names (after deciding that they would have two forenames) to give them - serious business, isn't it  ::). In both cases, using their favoured name first would be a bit of a tongue-twister and the other way round rolled off the tongue, so that's how it happened. It was our fault and not the kids  8)

Colin
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Gillg on Thursday 19 August 10 09:09 BST (UK)
From personal experience I can tell you that using your middle name isn't always easy, as all official documents assume that you are called by your first name.  My first name is particularly awful, and I was mortified recently when my dentist out of the blue greeted me with, "Good morning, H......!". (Why does everyone assume that they can call you by your first name, when they don't even know you?  >:( Hospitals are particularly bad at this.)

Gillg
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: EeyoreBlue on Thursday 19 August 10 09:41 BST (UK)
Hi All

This thread reminded me of my own struggles with finding people.  Whilst researching my grandmothers family I came across as similar incident.  There were 22 years between my grandmother and her eldest sister.  I was told my aunt was called Daisy, but couldn't find her anywhere.  It then transpired that Daisy was a nickname, and her real name was Josephine.  Brilliant I thought - I'll be able to find her now.  But no, I came up against brick wall after brick wall.  She didn't have the same surname as my gran, she didn't have her mother's maiden name so what did she have?  I solved the mystery by going back a generation.  I couldn't find a marriage for my GGrandmother to my GGrandfather, but eventually I did find a marriage where the firstnames were correct.  It turned out my GGrandmother had been married previously, and widowed very young.  "Daisy" was from her first marriage, so the confusion not only stemmed from the fact that she was known by a completely different first name, but that no-one knew her surname.  Also difficult as she was living with an uncle and aunt and not her mother on the census.

I'm having a similar problem with the other side of my family - guess the only thing is to keep plugging away and hope for the best!

EeyoreBlue
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Siamese Girl on Thursday 19 August 10 10:25 BST (UK)
I always wanted to dump my first name which is Carole and use my second which I prefer, but I have never succeeded in doing it. I think its too late now  ;D

Carole
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Nick29 on Thursday 19 August 10 10:33 BST (UK)
My father never used his first name, because he hated it, but I hadn't realised that his parents didn't use it either.  His name was Horace George, named after his mother's brother, and even when my father was only 3, they had dropped the Horace, and named him as George on the census.  I think the dropping of the name by his parents may have had something to do with my father's Uncle Horace George emigrating to Australia, never to be seen by the family again !  ::)

My father did, however, always use his first name on official documents.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: sarahsean on Thursday 19 August 10 10:41 BST (UK)
Both my father , grandmother and grandfather used their middle names as their first names.

When my grandmother died i was amazed to learn her name has actually Ivy as we had always known her as Lena which turned out to be her second name.

My father used his second middle name Lawrence instead of his first name Leslie.

His father used his second name Bob instead of his first name Herbert.


This thread reminds me of a funny incident which happens at school, we had a different teacher for a lesson one day and she was taking the register and called out Caroline H and no one answered. She asked again when a girl named Rosie answered "Oh sorry that is me!"  Turns out her name was Caroline Rose but she always went by the name Rosie.

My husbands uncle was named Felix an old family name but he hated it and changed his name to Joe.  My mother in law said it was strange when it happened as she had been so used to calling him Felix and then had to get used to calling him Joe.

My husbands brothers are also known as Bob and Jamie instead of their full names of Robert and James.

Whatever suits you i guess but unless you know it does make it harder for us family historians.  Luckily i was named after my two great grandmothers so it made things easier for me!!

Regards
Sarah

Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: sallysmum on Thursday 19 August 10 12:45 BST (UK)
Like most in this thread - I also have my fair share!  I have twin second cousins who are named Edna Ann and Ethel  Cath.  The first names were after aunts of theirs.  However they were never known by these 1st names.  I asked her why that was but didn't really get a satisfactory answer!  I wondered why bother naming children thus if the parents didn't want to use the chosen names!

Then there was great aunt Maud, or Maud in America as she was known to us.  Maud died nearly 30 years before I was born and she was the only one of grandma's 6 siblings that I had heard of.  Thus when I couldn't find her on the census I didn't know where to look.  I finally found her staying with her aunt.  She was under her full name - Elizabeth Alice Maud.  So Maud wasn't even her 2nd name - it was her 3rd name!  Her daughter, Alice in America as she was known to us, it appears that her name was Elizabeth Alice.  So she was following on with her mother's tradition!

sallysmum
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: FosseWay on Thursday 19 August 10 14:00 BST (UK)
My great-grandmother's name was Emily Caroline Ethel, but for some reason, for her whole life, she used the name Ethel.  I'd often wondered why, with two other very nice given names, she had to go for the "Ethel" option...then I found her on the 1891 census, aged 9, called Ethel  ;)  She had two aunts named Emily and Caroline, and her mother and both grandmothers were also called Caroline, so I supposed it was the practical option!

My great-grandmother, her mother, grandmother and numerous cousins/nieces of all three didn't care for the practical approach your Ethel took. At this point in my ancestry I start to wade through a sea of Charlottes. Not only are those three direct ancestors Charlotte, but several of their brothers married Charlottes and/or had daughters named Charlotte. Some of them had middle names (my great-grandmother was Charlotte Elizabeth) but didn't feel the need to reduce other people's confusion by using them!
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: EdCan on Thursday 19 August 10 16:24 BST (UK)
I have one with three given names.The only record of the proper name is the birth reg.All the rest of the records show him with two in any combination of the three.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Cell on Thursday 19 August 10 16:28 BST (UK)
Hi,
My hubby is known by his middle name   ever since he was a baby . He has  never been called by his first name, or used it  - His first name is just there on his birth reg  (  basically doing nothing).
 My father's  the same- known by his middle name since birth just like my hubby except for  two different reasons. My father was called by his second name from birth because his father had the same name. My husband was called by his second name from birth because the parents preferred that name to the one they had given to him for a first name.

It wasn't their choice, but the choice of their parents, and not the dislike for the names by the child itself - They've just never been called by their first names - Their second names are their first names.

My grandfather ( paternal side), My great Uncle (paternal side) , My great grandmother ( maternal side)  were all were known by their middle names from birth to name just a few from the top of my head from the many  of my lot  who used their middle names since birth.

My great uncle married and died  under hs middle name, My great grandmother too - it was  and is perfectly legal.

I would think  it's a pretty common  occurence in many families

Kind regards :)

Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Darwin on Thursday 19 August 10 20:28 BST (UK)
I always wanted to dump my first name which is Carole and use my second which I prefer, but I have never succeeded in doing it. I think its too late now  ;D

Carole

It's never too late - why not start here and sign yourself with your 2nd name. ;)
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: kojak on Thursday 19 August 10 21:26 BST (UK)
Has anyone else encountered many instances where relatives have used their middle names as first names throughout their lives? Two of my paternal great-aunts went my middle names, as did two sisters who were cousins of theirs. I must say, it can make researching people extremely confusing!

I would assume that they were known by their middle names because the child displayed a dislike for their actual first name, but that's refuted by the fact I have many comments on photos were children are referred to by their middle names as babies/toddlers!

Hi,

Yes.  This is very common indeed.  For example I have never been known by my first name.  Only my middle name.  In researching my wife's family history we even found an ancestor who wasn't known by his birth name of Thomas William Smith, but instead was known as William Stanton ! Yes I know what you will all be thinking, not the same man.  Wrong !  The exact same man (as his attestation papers revealed Thomas William Smith was previously known as William Stanton) Madness and just another hazard we all face when researching.  So, next time you are looking up a long lost Great ancestor called John, William or Thomas, don't completely dismiss a man of the same age, from the same town who happened to called Derek !!!  LOL. 

Good luck to all ye fellow researchers,

Kenny and Jane and Megbabalicious
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: justmej on Thursday 19 August 10 21:39 BST (UK)
A cousin of mine was given the same first two 'family' names that I already had, but has never been known by her first name and instead uses a shortened version of our middle name.  I think mum's objection at the time may have had something to do with that!

justmej
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Icicle on Thursday 19 August 10 21:59 BST (UK)
I blame my primary school teacher  ;D

I have a hyphenated christian name and it was always used, even though it is a bit of a mouthful, until I started school. The teacher declared it "too long" and shortened me down to the second part. That is how I have been known ever since.

The only documents that I appear in full are my birth and marriage certs and my passport. Oh, and my family tree of course  ;D
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Scales on Thursday 19 August 10 22:09 BST (UK)
I have 2 Aunts who are sisters called Peg and Margaret..... I always wondered why Peg which is normally short for Margaret had a sister also called Margaret.

It only when I stared my research did I find out that Peg was actually called Lilian May !!!

My grandfather who was their brother was Frederick Charles known as Charlie

Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: coombs on Sunday 22 August 10 13:17 BST (UK)
I have a Thomas John Roberts born in 1813 who died in 1889 as John Thomas Roberts.

My nans brother was George Henry John Stock but was known as Henry throughout his life. And a James Thomas Cornwell who was always known as Thomas.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: mongojoby on Sunday 22 August 10 15:17 BST (UK)
My Grandma tried to trace her uncle back in the late 1970s (he had emigrated to Canada in the 1920s, and she had lost contact with him some time before).  As far as she was aware he was called James (the only name he was known as within the family was Jim), so when she was ringing up Candian telephone boards trying to find him again that was the name she asked for.  When she was told there were no J's/ James' with his surname she just presumed he had died by then.

However when I started getting into family history a few years ago, and found the only matching birth registration online, I discovered James was infact his middle name (his first name being the same as his father).  I subsquently found him in all the local telephone directories under his full name, along with his death, obituary and burial records for him from the mid 80s.  He definitely carried on being a Jim though- the obituary of a friend he was buried with mentions him.

It was such a shame that something like that stopped my Grandma finding him, although she was pleased to discover he had lived to a good age.


Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Redroger on Sunday 22 August 10 15:43 BST (UK)
I was called by my second name at school which was my father's first name, and caused a little confusion in the family. Once I left school the practice soon stopped. It is nothing though to what happened to my mother, Emily Hannah Maud, she was known throughout her life as Jim, and she was almost 100 when she died. The reason was this: Her uncle my grandfather's brother migrated to Australia in 1903 unaccompanied at the age of 14. Mum was expected, but unborn, on his departure her uncle said to her father "If the baby's a boy, call him Jim after me". She wasn't a boy, but she was still called Jim!
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: coombs on Sunday 22 August 10 15:51 BST (UK)
Did you grandfathers brother remain in Australia or did he return home?

My great grandmother was Catherine Isabella but was sometimes known as Bella.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: danuslave on Sunday 22 August 10 16:05 BST (UK)
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The first names were after aunts of theirs.  However they were never known by these 1st names.  I asked her why that was but didn't really get a satisfactory answer!  I wondered why bother naming children thus if the parents didn't want to use the chosen names!


"If the baby's a boy, call him Jim after me"


I think these two quotes sum up what happened in a lot of cases.

If unmarried Uncle Hubert is the only one in the family with a little money and promises to leave some to your son if you name him Hubert, what are most people going to do?

If you like the name Hubert all well and good.  If you don't, you name the child Hubert Derek and call him Derek (except when Uncle Hubert is within earshot)

Similarly, if you've got a pushy granny who says 'all first born sons in our family have been called Thomas', you would have to be quite strong to go against her.  Particularly if you happened to be living with her at the time.

Heaven help the families with 2 pushy grannies.   :D

Linda
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Redroger on Sunday 22 August 10 16:14 BST (UK)
He remained in Australia for the rest of his life, and my side of the family lost contact! Recent research largely on this site has shown that in 1916 he was joined by the girl who became his wife, I think the marriage was arranged as 1) The village they came from had a reputation for it 2) She was 9 years old when he left England; I have also discovered that he was in regular contact with his only sister her until his death in the mid 1960s; we also saw her regularly but she never said anything to my mother or grandmother even when the migrant came up in conversation.
Regarding Linda'sposting above, apparently it was the rule for the oldest girl in each generation in our family to be called Melinda, after our daughter was called Angela, I suddenly found myself in the dog house. No one had told me of the rule, and I had been too dim to fathom it!
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: danuslave on Sunday 22 August 10 16:41 BST (UK)
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No one had told me of the rule, and I had been too dim to fathom it!


Lucky her - Melinda Angela would have been a bit of a mouthful   :D
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: coombs on Sunday 22 August 10 17:54 BST (UK)
As said middle names used a s first names can be confusing in genealogy.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: msr on Sunday 22 August 10 18:08 BST (UK)
I have always been known by my middle name which makes it a slight problem with appointments at doc, dentist or hospital etc as they will insist on calling out the first name on their record.   Have to keep a careful ear open so as not to miss being called.

Sister always known by first name, brother by second - that is until he went to high school where his first was used.  As a result, he's one name to family and another to his friends, workmates etc.   

Going further, dad used to call him Charlie which is neither of his names ::)

Susan
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Geoff-E on Sunday 22 August 10 20:12 BST (UK)
Both my wife and I have always been known by our middle names.

It was intended that my friend was to be John L.E.T ... apparently his uncle forgot the order of the names and he was registered as L.E.John T ... but he has always been called John.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: sirron on Sunday 22 August 10 20:52 BST (UK)
My son is known to everybody by his second name. It is a slightly unusual name which my wife wanted for him but I thought how can he go through life with that name so we named him Michael but the deal was that we would use the second given name.
The only people who now know him as Michael are officials and as somebody said earlier, if anybody asks for Michael, its not a friend or family member.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: ambers on Monday 23 August 10 00:58 BST (UK)
All of my father's siblings, including him, were called by their second name, so I was unable to trace them on BMD's...I was so glad when the 1911 census was released :)

My sister was also called by her second name, I don't know why as I wasn't. She found it a problem in school as she often got into trouble for not answering her name when she was very young. :-\

Ambers
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: originQuest on Monday 23 August 10 01:43 BST (UK)
This happens a lot in my family two - however, for two gt aunts I know why!  They are called Patricia Jean and Mary Jacqueline, and both are known by everyone by their middle names!  I only discoved this through my research, and even close relatives of their don't know this.

They were called such as my great gran liked their middle names but wanted them baptised in the catholic church, and so, they had to have a christian forename.

Another relation goes by her middle name, as her father foolishly added a forename when he registered the birth, without discussing this beforehand.  Officially her name is Harriet, but she has NEVER being known as this.  To confuse matters, this same relation is known as Dolly, due to the fact the midwife commented how she small she was when she was a baby!

Finally, I find that the name Mary is sometimes used as the name Polly; this is because Molly is a variation on Mary, and Polly is derivied from the name Molly!  This was probably due to the fact of Mary being such a common name, varients were used to distinguish between relations etc.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: msr on Monday 23 August 10 08:17 BST (UK)
I had an Aunty Mary, my mother's sister.   

Everybody called her Polly.     Everybody, that is, except myself, brother and sister.  Heaven knows why.  Mum and Dad both called her Polly.    When referring to her, Mum would say 'our Polly', but to us she'd say 'your aunty Mary'.   

I remember asking once why we didn't call her Polly as everyone else did.   I was told that I couldn't say Polly but could say Mermy, so Mary it was so as not to confuse!      ??? ??? ???

We're also trying to solve a puzzle in husband's family.  There is a photograph from early 20th C of 2 women at a new grave.  Aunts Bella and Polly.    Bella no problem with, but Polly  ::)     No Mary in family so who is she?  No idea at all.  Still working on that one.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Nick29 on Monday 23 August 10 08:35 BST (UK)
The nickname Polly is often used instead of Elizabeth. 
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: msr on Monday 23 August 10 08:47 BST (UK)
Never heard that one Nick.   My mum was Elizabeth, her family called her Betty.

Aunty Mary was Polly.

I'll check with the others who are trying to solve the puzzle, but the Elizabeths in hubbies family were either full name or Bett.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Nick29 on Monday 23 August 10 09:49 BST (UK)
I didn't know it either, until someone here mentioned it, and the advice arrived just at the right moment for me.  About a year ago I found some cousins on my father's side of the family that I'd never met before, and they kindly copied some photos which they emailed me with descriptions of who they were.  One or two of the photos were of someone that the family always referred to as "Polly", but no-one seemed to know exactly who she was.  When I looked at the photos more carefully, a couple of them had the names and addresses of the photographers at the bottom of the print.  On one of them was the address of Newton Abbott, the birthplace of my great-aunt Eliza's husband !  Because her husband only lived for 5 years after their marriage, no-one in the family seemed to know the connection with Newton Abbot.   I was pleased to know that it wasn't all one-way, and that I was able to give them something back  :)

P.S.  Sometimes nicknames come about because of siblings.   My great-uncle was always known as 'Jack', because his younger sister couldn't say George when they were young.  He was known as Jack until the day he died.



Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Mark1973 on Monday 23 August 10 13:13 BST (UK)
I've had plenty in my tree using their middle names, which has always made searching fun ;D

Most of them used their middle names if someone in the household, their Father or Mother had the same name. My dad has always been known as Liam as his father was William too.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: coombs on Monday 23 August 10 15:26 BST (UK)
I have a middle name but have always used my first name. If I wanted to I could start being known by my middle name but I dont think I will.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Redroger on Monday 23 August 10 16:40 BST (UK)
Our son is the other way round, Andrew Peter, called Peter in the family, Andrew outside.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: danuslave on Monday 23 August 10 17:42 BST (UK)
I don't even have a middle name - how sad is that?

Linda
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Nick29 on Monday 23 August 10 23:15 BST (UK)
My wife hasn't either.  She's the only one in the family to have no middle name.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: HeatherLynne on Monday 23 August 10 23:41 BST (UK)
Aww!  You could always ask for suggestions for your middle name  :)  Might be prudent to let us know your surname initial though so that you don't end up as L.E.G.,  L.A.P., L.U.G. or somesuch!

I'm liking Linda Hortense, whaddya think?

Heather (no prizes for guessing my middle name!)
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: danuslave on Monday 23 August 10 23:52 BST (UK)
Hi Heather

Hortense is far too posh for me - have you seen my avatar?

Surname intial is S.  'Linda' seems to preclude anything starting with a vowel, or you finish up with an 'r' in the middle -
Linda r'Ivy for instance

Locally (I'm not though I've lived here 40 years) it would be pronounced Lindal.

One grandmother was Mercy Amelia - she hated the Mercy.  The other one was Eveline May.

I suppose Linda May would be OK, but somehow LMS reminds me of something else......

Submissions on a pc please (or even an RC)   :D


Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: originQuest on Monday 23 August 10 23:57 BST (UK)
Well, I don't have a middle name :(, or does my dad or grandad, and we are called the same name!  ???  Saying this, my dad uses his confirmation name on offical documents!  It confuses me sometimes, and I did broach him about this, and he was taught that was what happens when you are confirmed (in the Roman Catholic Church).
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: HeatherLynne on Tuesday 24 August 10 00:01 BST (UK)
There's a lot of Hephzibahs in my family, that's rather a spiffing name I think.  Let your hair down and go for something a bit exotic!  ;D 

A teacher at school used to tell us her name was Agamemnon (sp?), I guess she was looking for something unusual to go with her surname Brown  :)
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: danuslave on Tuesday 24 August 10 00:03 BST (UK)
I always though Agamemnon was a fella - or possibly a model of kitchen range (think about it!)
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: dbath on Tuesday 24 August 10 07:01 BST (UK)
Wow!  This was certainly entertaining.  I will admit that my wife and I named my son with the plan that he would use his middle name.  His first name was the name of the ancestor that first arrived in the US.  The ancestor's first son was named after him.  This continued until someone decided  to move the name each generation (first/middle/first/middle).  I explained this to my wife (after we were married) and told her what our son's first name should be.  She mentioned that there were probably too many people with that name, so she would agree only as long as we called our son by his middle name.  We agreed and it was done.  HOWEVER, my son wasn't in on the agreement--we went to school one time when he was in fourth grade and his teacher kept referring to a child we didn't know.  Finally, we realized she was referring to our son by his first name.  We informed her of his "go by" name, then, when we returned home, asked our son why he hadn't said anything.  We had moved to a new town and he felt the teacher was quite attractive and very nice, so he didn't want to make her feel bad when she used his first name.  Therefore, everyone that went to school with him in that town calls him by his first name.

As someone noted, it is also a great opportunity to find out who really knows you.  I called a great-aunt one time that I had never met.  When I finished explaining who I was, who I was trying to reach and how I discovered her name, she laughed and said "I know you have to be family.  No one has used that name for 60 years other than family and you couldn't make up the names of the three people you mentioned."  We had a great conversation after that.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 24 August 10 10:36 BST (UK)
On my mother's side, probably 19th century rural Baptists, I have a lot of Hephizabahs etc, along with the usual number of Elizabeths James etc. Though an unusual forename outside of the religious community , a series of Hephizabahs can be just as confusing as a series of John or William, which I have in profusion on both sides of the family. One I do like very much, and which has proved crucial in my research in tracing my father's family name from Wiltshire into Dorset is a single instance of the forename Osmond which was used in a 1599 baptism. I found it also in the 1641 Protestation return, and again in his will dated 1671. The major problem I now have is that the Dorset town he settled in was Blandford Forum, destroyed by fire in 1731, the copy will which shows severe signs of fire damage is a very rare survivor.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Gillg on Tuesday 24 August 10 10:49 BST (UK)
danuslave

Re reply #45 - I guess you live in the Bristol area, if you are known locally as "Lindal".  When I was a student there my landlady always called my friend Erica "Erical"! Where does that "l" come from, and is there any truth in the story that Bristol was once called Bristowe?

Gillg
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: nameless on Tuesday 24 August 10 10:50 BST (UK)
Gillg,

It was called "Brigstowe", I think from "The place of the bridge".
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 24 August 10 10:52 BST (UK)
Gillg, As I have heard the story, Bristol was called Bristowe, and became Bristol as a result of the habit (or dialect) of local people adding a final letter L to proper names which ended in a vowel. Perhaps an expert can confirm this?
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Gillg on Tuesday 24 August 10 11:02 BST (UK)
Thanks, nameless and Redroger.  I certainly heard the added "l" a lot when I lived there.  I'm not sure it was just added to proper names, though.  I'm sure it was also added to other words, such as "What a good ideal". 

Wikipedia has the following:
"A dialect of English is spoken by some Bristol inhabitants, known colloquially as Bristolian, or even more colloquially as "Bristle" or "Brizzle". Bristol natives speak with a rhotic accent, in which the r in words like car is pronounced. The unusual feature of this dialect, unique to Bristol, is the Bristol L (or terminal L), in which an L sound is appended to words that end in an 'a' or 'o'.[159] Thus "area" becomes "areal", etc.  "

Gillg
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: nameless on Tuesday 24 August 10 11:14 BST (UK)
I'm just an ordinary Bristolian but I have never added the notorious "l". 

People speak differently according to which part of Bristol they were born, perhaps because people moved there from various other counties.  I'd never heard anyone say "Gert Lush" when I read it on a tee shirt.

Gillg did you ever go to Bemminster?  (Bedminster)

Bristolians speak Proper English.  (Ducks behind a chair)
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 24 August 10 11:31 BST (UK)
Or Beemster (Beaminster) in Dorset? There seems to be a habit in English of scrambling long proper names into something shorter.The adding of the consonant to words that end in "a" or "o" in contradicted in the case of Bristowe, so I think the sauggestion of an ending vowel is likely more accurate.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Gillg on Tuesday 24 August 10 11:33 BST (UK)
My daughter used to live in Bemminster, sorry Bedminster  :) and since she is a good mimic she very quickly picked up a passable imitation of the accent.  

Gillg
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: nameless on Tuesday 24 August 10 11:41 BST (UK)
A lot of people from Somerset seemed to move to Bedminster.

Going back to the thread title, my Dad's ancestors used various names which makes it very difficult to trace. They seemed to use whichever they fancied each day.  How do I know if I'm searching for Edward, Thomas or George, especially as they were from other counties? 

I wonder if they were avoiding the law or rent man.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: danuslave on Tuesday 24 August 10 11:45 BST (UK)
I live in Thornbury, about 10 miles north of Bristol.  Actually there aren't that many 'locals' here, apart from the younger generation.  A lot of us are incomers

For some reason it's one of those places that's lots of people have heard of.  If I tell someone where I'm from, I often get the response 'Oh my aunty/second cousin twice removed/the lady I used to work with lives there'   And it's not even that big a place!

When I first came to this area (from Surrey, via Edinburgh Uni), my first introduction to the Bristol L was someone talking about that very popular car - the Ford Cortinal

I've never been able to work out what my son's accent is

born and bred here
mother from Surrey, father from Yorkshire (Bratford, as he would say)
maternal grandmother Surrey, grandfather Co Durham
paternal grandparents  Yorkshire

BTW - quote from the Alexander Armstrong WDYTYA

you can tell a family is posh if they don't pronounce their name the way it is spelt

Linda
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: nameless on Tuesday 24 August 10 11:55 BST (UK)
There's a nice website for Thornbury.  Shame my nearest ones are from Almondsbury.  Do you have a Mop now?
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: danuslave on Tuesday 24 August 10 12:26 BST (UK)
Mop was stopped in 2000, but I think Chipping Sodbury still has one.

I've often wondered why it was called a 'Mop Fair' and just found this

The Mop was a ‘hiring fair’ event held twice a year in Thornbury, in March and September.  The original intention was to bring people looking for work together with people looking for workers.  The term 'Mop' derives from the fact that each person was supposed to be carrying an implement to indicate the trade for which they were seeking employment and the mop was used by general domestic servants.

If I can help with anything from Almondsbury let me know

Linda

Sorry Nick29 this thread seems to have lost its way a bit   :D
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: nameless on Tuesday 24 August 10 12:30 BST (UK)
danuslave

Thank you very much for the offer.  I'll get back to you.

Link to explain Bristol name.  http://www.buildinghistory.org/bristol/saxonslaves.shtml

Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: kojak on Tuesday 24 August 10 22:16 BST (UK)
I have a middle name but have always used my first name. If I wanted to I could start being known by my middle name but I dont think I will.

Always?  Coombs...

:-)

Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Redroger on Wednesday 25 August 10 13:16 BST (UK)
A slight digression, but how would you spell the village of Sollerby in Lincolnshire? Answers here please.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: KenyB on Wednesday 25 August 10 16:39 BST (UK)
My father used his middle name as first name, and I have also discovered recently whilst researching my family tree that both my uncle & cousin did the same. I am unaware of the reason why.
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: danuslave on Wednesday 25 August 10 16:47 BST (UK)
A slight digression, but how would you spell the village of Sollerby in Lincolnshire? Answers here please.

Don't know Lincolnshire at all - something like South Woldsby perhaps?

Linda
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: msr on Wednesday 25 August 10 17:56 BST (UK)
Some of ours use mothers maiden name as middle name.

On the secondary subject:  Sollerby = Saltfleetby

How about Barlick, in Lancashire?
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Redroger on Thursday 26 August 10 12:07 BST (UK)
Saltfleetby correct! What about Barnoldswick for Barlick? unless it is a substitute for sniffing the barmaids apron ;D
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: msr on Thursday 26 August 10 13:41 BST (UK)
Well done Red   :)

Snuffy Harrod ?   
Title: Re: Using middle names as first names?
Post by: Redroger on Friday 27 August 10 20:42 BST (UK)
Never heard of that one! Give it a few days and then tell us please.