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I'm investigating my Grandfathers family....'McAuley'
Here's all the information I have...and I'm not sure where or what to do next.....
My grandfathers name was ' Dermot Francis Mathew McAuley' he was one of 16 children. (My grandfather is the left man in picture 1)
I'm not sure of his Birthdate...I know its late September...and its between 1924-1926...As he was around 76/78yrs old when he died in 21st December 2003.
He was a trainee Priest for the Catholic church. He came to England and met my grandmother whom he left the church for and became a Carpenter. He done some time in the RAF too, but not abroad. He also had a trade a cobbler.
Unfortunately my grandmother left him and remarried. Her name was 'June Blossom Bruce' She was born 12th June 1936 and Died 6th March 2004.
My grandfather then left my grandmother and had hardly any contact since then until he died. (ironically the two were not together for over 25yrs and died within 6 months of each other, and my Grandmother was a bit younger than him)
Details I have:
16 Brothers and Sisters...Born to....???????
Only siblings I know are:
SON: Dermot (Mac) my Grandad
SON: Mathew (Mattie)
SON: William (Billy)...
SON: Francis
DAUGHTER: Essie
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So thats 5 down, 11 left to trace names of...
(ive seen many childrens graves on the cemetery listings around the 1900-1930 range so I assume some of the 16 siblings never made it past childgood.)
I do know one of the brothers was a suitmaker/dressmaker....as he used to make my grandfather suits and coats...
They all grew up above a Pub at 108 Marleborough Street, Dublin.
Mattie McAuley (middle man of picture no 1)
So far Ive searched graveyards...and finally found Matties listing and his wife's Brigit. (both dead now and at Glasnevin Cemetery).http://www.interment.net/data/ireland/dublin/glasnevin/m/glasn_m02.htm
Billy McAuley (right man in picture 1 and left in picture 2)
Married Stella and Had 2 sons that I know of...Noel (right man in picture 2) and Richard (who died).
I know Billy died...This is the one gravestone I desperately need to find, as My mother and I thought long and hard as to where to spread my grandfathers ashes, as he was cremated.. And he was very close to his brother Billy....so I hope to find his grave to spread my grandfather near.
Essie Kavanagh (nee McAuley)
Married a man called Kavanagh? or Cavanagh....had a son and daughter called Murtagh Cavanagh (whom aparently done a Eulogy at my grandads funeral) and Olive Cavanagh (I met her at my grandfathers funeral, she lives in London somewhere, but I wasn't investigating the family then and didn't get her contact details)
Now Murtagh Cavanagh apparently worked for as a transport manager for Singers Clannad?
Also I think Essies family were based around Sheriff St Estate?
I'm going from Brighton, England to Dublin, Ireland in 2 days time to go to the cemeteries and to go to any pubs in the vicinity or churches to show pictures and ask around...
I wish I had come across this site earlier, As I need more information really but my flight is booked as its my birthday while I'm over there lol.
Any help would be much appreciated!
**I keep updating the information on this original post as well as replying as it helps me keep in check with the information im finding...***
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From 1904 to at least 1938, no 108 Marlborough St is listed as 'John Ward, dining rooms'.
The address is at the junction with Abbey Street Lower.
I dont see a good match for Dermot's birth in Dublin around the years you mentioned. It's worth noting that middle names are not always included in the initial registration, and are sometimes added later at baptism.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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From 1904 to at least 1938, no 108 Marlborough St is listed as 'John Ward, dining rooms'.
WOW Thanks Shane.....Where did you find this information from?
Thanks for tips also....Im onto my mother for more information but she has alot on her plate at the moment with things...SO Im having to do this alone!
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The address details come from various editions of Thom's directory.
In later years (1950s on) no. 108 Marlborough St was a pub called the Flowing Tide.
Shane
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just wondering about the estimated year of birth you have mentioned... if Dermott was 78 when he died in 2004, wouldn't that make his year of birth about 1926 ?
Shane
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just wondering about the estimated year of birth you have mentioned... if Dermott was 78 when he died in 2004, wouldn't that make his year of birth about 1926 ?
Shane
Um yes....Sorry I have a friend helping me one end of the internet, and I asked him to find my grandfathers DOB...he just told me years...Never thought of checking it...DUH...Sorry!
Thanks for that....I wonder...as I have his ashes here, and know the crematoriam, if his records show his DOB online? hmmm - Next thing to go and investigate...
Just been looking at that pub you mentioned...It appears not to be there no more..wonder what is?
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If the age is correct - then there is a possible index match for Dermot's birth :
Name: Dermot McAuley
Registration District: Dublin North
Event Type: Birth
Quarter and Year: Jul - Sep 1925
Volume : 2 / Page : 361
Dublin North is the registration district which would include much of the north city centre, including Marlborough St.
Not sure what's at the address now..
And by a strange coincidence I think that's the same address that my GtGt-Grandmother gave on her marriage in 1877, the address was a small hotel at that time. The Pro-Cathedral (St. Mary's RC) is nearby, and also on Marlborough St.
Shane
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WOW, I cant thank you enough for this help Shane....
Ive got the Ashes/Urn here now....The details are on there...Im just trying to figure how to search for them....
That possibly is him...I know he was a bit older than my other nan (fathers mother) who was born in 1932...cos she used to fancy him lol
Now i have:
Honor Oak Crematorium....
Crem no: 122546
Date: 14.01.04 <---Cremated on
Now I looked inside and found a peice of paper with the information above on it and this date....21/12/2003....Now If I can remember rightly (as i was a mess at the time)....He did die just before Christmas as his ex-wife (my nan) died in the March just after him...and everyone was shocked how close they had died...seeing as they were not married or together for over 30yrs.
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It might be an idea to search for his marriage to your grandmother to confirm his details. A cert will give their father's name's and occupations. (would help confirm, or rule out, any births you find)
I not 100% certain which corner of the junction 108 is on, but one corner has been completely re-developed. As far as I can #108 was the Flowing Tide put up to the 1970s
Shane
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Ohhhh I just found something...
My grandfathers old driving licences..They are British ones...but its in an envelope...from Dublin.
Now i suspect my grandfather had been to visit Billy his brother, like he often did, as the return address on the back states:
Mr W McAuley
belview beds?
thomas st
dublin 8
The beginning of the envelope is torn, so if its a number on belview beds then i cant see..or a st thomas st? not sure...
Oh how i wish it has my grandfathers DOB on the licence but it just has his name and signature...
Tiny little red book....two of them....
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I'm almost sure that Thomas St is in the postal district of Dublin 8. It's the continuation of James's St - where Guinness brewery is located.
Shane
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It might be an idea to search for his marriage to your grandmother to confirm his details. A cert will give their father's name's and occupations. (would help confirm, or rule out, any births you find)
I not 100% certain which corner of the junction 108 is on, but one corner has been completely re-developed. As far as I can #108 was the Flowing Tide put up to the 1970s
Shane
Ah there i hit another wall - Nan and Grandad didnt have a nice relationship at the end...And unfortunately....of their marriage they had 3 children...Mark whos now deceased, Anne-Marie whos incapable/in hospital...and my mother...whos dealing with Anne-Marie...and sick with ME/CFS.
Im the only grandchild.
My nan...harder to back check...She was an orphan bought over from Germany with 8 other brothers/sisters and all put into orphanages and names changed...So Ive been told that her german or Jewish (we dont know which) family name was translated into 'Bruce' when she was here. but she was under 5yrs old, so she never recalled any of it. And when she passed, One sister had found us all and said she had tried so hard to do the family tree but got stuck at many hurdles.
I dont even know the date of my grandparents marriage :(
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if you know both names and even approx. date and place - it might be possible to locate the details required to order a cert. An England/Wales BMD index can be searched at : http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
The index is not complete for all areas or for more recent dates, but would be worth a look.
Shane
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Ah ha...im trying all these sites, and they want damn money...and im not sure its the right information before i shell out for them....
Three things I have found that have sparked my mind....
I recall that my grandfather was called 'Dermot Francis Matthew McAuley' at his funeral, and those two middle initials keep appearing on sites...
Secondly, for the marriage to my nan...the surname 'Cooke or Bruce' is appearing, which Ive heard family members mention.
And thirdly, looks like they got married in Surrey? which is peculiar as my nan was always around the Acton (ealing district) area.
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Picture of My grandad....Mac on left and his brother Billy on right...
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Oh right - sorry I wasnt to know...I was just trying to connect the tree...
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OK found out that in the 1939-1940 Electorial Register....
Mathew McAuley Polling MA No: 427
Christina McAuley Polling MA No: 428
Teresa McAuley Polling MA No: 429
Mathew McAuley Jun Pollimg MA No: 431
I wonder who was voter 430.....hmmmm
BY my estimation...if the main Mathew or the Jun? (does that mean Junior?) is my Grandfathers Brother then the 2 women maybe other sisters?
Mattie was 43yrs old when he died in 1960 so if so...then he maybe the entry Mathew McAuley Jun as he would have been about 21-22yrs old in this electorial year...So therefore that may mean that the other Mathew McAuley is his father (and my grandfathers father)....
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It seems my investigation is getting better...
Mathew McAuley - Father
Teresa McAuley -Mother
1 -Mattie McAuley - SON
2 -Francis McAuley -SON
3 -John McAuley -SON
4 -Billy McAuley -SON
5 -Dermot McAuley -SON
6 -Essie McAuley -DAUGHTER
7 -Christina McAuley -DAUGHTER
7 more to find!
Originally there were 17 children, one died....16 lived...7 of them are above...who are the other 7?
My Grandfather DERMOT MCAULEY - was the lasy Sibling to die.
Ive been told John McAuley was the second last to die...around 1985-1995? He was the Tailor/dressmaker brother.
Each Brother had a trade...My Grandfather was the Cobbler/Carpenter.
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1939-1940 Electorial Register....
Mathew McAuley Polling MA No: 427
Christina McAuley Polling MA No: 428
Teresa McAuley Polling MA No: 429
Mathew McAuley Jun Pollimg MA No: 431
I wonder who was voter 430.....hmmmm
BY my estimation...if the main Mathew or the Jun? (does that mean Junior?) is my Grandfathers Brother then the 2 women maybe other sisters?
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The other people at 109 Marlborogh Street on the '39 electoral register are :
John Baker (425)
Susan Baker (426)
Annie Dowling (430)
Esther McAuley (432)
I agree that Jun. on the register almost certainly stands for junior. Not sure from that if the Bakers also lived over the Dining hall, or the ran it under the name Ward..
Shane
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hi my names is james, my mother was a mc cauley born in 1941, she had 3 sisters who died very young from TB. they lived in 11 upper sean mc dermott street in dublin 1 just around the corner from malbourg steet, im not saying we are related cos my mother only found her fathers grave in glasnevin dublin a few weeks ago, his name was francis mc cauley he died from TB like his 3 daughters before him.margaret age 6 died 1th of jun 1946.and CHRISTINA who died age 6 30th april 1944. the first sister to past was age 5 past away 22th jan 1944, there was 2 brouthers who lived up to a few years ago oldest was michael better known as (micker) and then there was francis better known in dublin as (frankie) who was the youngest of the family,there mother remarried after the death of her husband francis, she married john kelly in dublin not sure of the year, now my mother is 72 now shes the last 1 left of her family, but you do look a little like her if you dont mind me saying, so good luck in yer search and i hoped i helped in a little way, bye bye..from dublin...
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sorry 1 last thing the name of the first to past was katleen mc cauly age 5, and i do know the Kavanaghs and murtaghs from sheriff street, the Kavanaghs live in portland row dublin and the Murtaghs live in seville place dublin, 2 very big familys.
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Ohhhh I just found something...
My grandfathers old driving licences..They are British ones...but its in an envelope...from Dublin.
Now i suspect my grandfather had been to visit Billy his brother, like he often did, as the return address on the back states:
Mr W McAuley
belview beds?
thomas st
dublin 8
The beginning of the envelope is torn, so if its a number on belview beds then i cant see..or a st thomas st? not sure...
Oh how i wish it has my grandfathers DOB on the licence but it just has his name and signature...
Tiny little red book....two of them....
This would be Belview Buildings,they were just off Thomas Street,they are long gone.
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Hi I am Brian mcauleys girlfriend,son of Noel mcauley who was billy/Williams son.please get in touch we can bring you to Billy's grave and give you any missing pieces of information you would like to know.looking forward to hearing from you,If you email me I can send you photos of billy.
Sonya
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Hi, was talking to Noel last night, he would really love you to get in contact,dermot was very close to his dad,your mam came over to visit in 1982 but left no contact number and Noel moved to another adress.please get in touch
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Hi my grand father was mcauley. His name was Francis and he passed away in 1934
He lived on Sean mcdermott street in dublin1 he was married to my granny Katleen dignam .they had 6 kids 2 sons and 4 daughters. 3 of there daughters passed away in 1934 from TB. Then my grand father passed away the same year. His wife remarried to a john Kelly but she died few years later.she had 1 daughters Maria. My mother who's the last one left of the family is still here today thank god. So we could be related down the line. I only found my grand father grave 2 years ago which my mother never seen until then.her brothers Michael and Francis he was also know as Matt. Well ill have to go off line now and good look in your seach . Regards james
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Hi
I’m Essie’s granddaughter.
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Are you Denise’s daughter Carly. If so I remember you when you were little.