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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: yt2 on Friday 13 August 10 23:21 BST (UK)
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I'm seeking information about Theresa Edith Green, b. Jun1863 Camberwell England.
Theresa married Joshua Batty Davy, 25Jul1881 Adelaide registry Office. They had three children:
Lemuel Edward Greene Davy b.14Dec1881
Lilly Maud Davy b. 1883
Edgar Walter Davy b. 1885
UK FreeBMD records Theresa's birth at Camberwell Vol 1d, page 515, but of course gives no details of parentage. Family records suggest she was the daughter of Edward William (Southouse/Catoir) Green and Mary Ann Green (nee Pritchitt) of Clerkenwell, London.
However, recent work on this forum at
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,469302.0.html suggests that Edward William Southouse Green may have died c.Jun1858, an event that fits neatly with other aspects of the family history.
Edward William and Maryann Green had two other daughters (Ada Kate b.1854 and Jessie Martha b. 1858) for whom there are ample records on the web (FamilySearch etc).
Given that Theresa's birth details challenge other family data I'd appreciate any help you can offer that might confirm or dispute any of these names, dates and relationships.
Thanks as usual
Whitey
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1881 UK Census
Seems to have Theresa E, born Camberwell, with parents Thomas and Ann :-\
Annie
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The Theresa E with Mary Ann as mother is shown in 1871 census as born, Barking Essex.
So there are 2 Theresa E's much the same age.
Annie
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Hi Whitey,
Here is the marriage
DAVY Joshua Batty 29 single father Joseph DAVY = GREENE Thersa Ellen 21 single father Edward GREENE 25 July 1881 Registry Office Hindmarsh Dist Hin 128 305
Cheers Kris :)
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Aniph
The 1871 census entry for Theresa E Green with Mary Ann as a mother .... born in Barking Essex matches another entry I have.
... is there any mention of her age, her father or her siblings?
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The three births
DAVY Lemual Edward 14 Dec 1881 Kadina Dist Dal 277 198
DAVY Lilly Maud 1 Aug 1883 Newtown Dist Dal 311 100`
DAVY Edgar Walter 25 Jun 1885 Newtown Dist Dal 355 64
Parents listed as Joshua Batty DAVY and Teresa/Theresa Ellen GREENE
Cheers Kris :)
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Unfortunately no BISA entry for this family, nor do I see her death to see if her age is consistant. Also not spotting an assisted arrival. The only Theresa GREEN born in SA (1858) had a father Thomas.
Cheers Kris :)
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1871 census living Kensington
Mary Ann Green 48 b Birmingham
Ada R 15 b Islington
Jessie 12 b Islington
Theresa E 9 b Barking
Elizabeth A Thorpe 13
Annie
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Looks like this is possibly Theresa Ellen GREEN born Romford (Essex) Dec 1/4 1859 4a 89
Cheers Kris :)
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I was thinking that one too :D
Trying to find her in the census!
Annie
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The age difference from the census where Teresa is 9 thus giving her a birth year of 1862 and the marriage to Joshua Baty Davy in 1881 where she is 21 thus giving a birth year of 1860 to my way of thinking is not that significant.
However if the father did die in 1858 she may have been born after his death giving her a birth year of 1859 at the latest .
Intersting conundrum....but then again we all have experienced inaccuracies in recorded birth year data especially with the census.
Jenn
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Annie I can't find them in 1861 either. Here they are in 1851 so Mary Ann is quite consistant with her birth details
HO107/1562 Folio 366 Page 42
14 New Road
Bermondsey
GREENE Edward 29 b Newington Surrey Piano Forte Tuner
GREENE Mary A Wife 28 Mar b Birmingham
PRITCHETT Eliza Vistor 24 Unm b Birmingham
PRITCHETT Eliza Visitor 5 b Newington Surrey
LEE Eliza Servant 17 unm b Bermondsey House Servant
Cheers Kris :)
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There is a death in WA for Joshua Batty Davy died in 1913 also a funeral notice for same in the newspapers no mention of family though, nor can I see a death for Theresa/Teresa or a remarriage.
There are details there for the son Lemual Edward Davy marriages and death.
The 1906 Electoral roll shows Joseph and lemual as miners in Collie no mention of Therese or the othere siblings.
There is this mariage in WA
DAVY LILLY M Female married WEST GEOFFREY S Male registration district PERTH number 406 1916
Jenn
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There is this death in Redfern Sydney :-\
Theresa E Davy 1900
parents Edward Davy? and Mary A
#3208
Annie
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Good find Annie
here is the other sons death in NSW
reg no 16031/1941
name DAVY EDGAR WALTER
father JOSUHA BATTY
mother UNKNOWN
registration district
HORNSBY
Jenn
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Cool Jenn :D
Theresa E is buried at Rookwoood Anglican 3/3/1900 Grave 9127
Annie
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Hi
Just adding to Annie's Cemetery details, I cannot see anyone located with her.
Sue
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Sadly no MI either.
Cando
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may help
sylvia
birth
Theresa Edith Green
1863
Apr/May/Jun
Camberwell
Greater London Surrey
1881 Census
Theresa E Green
17
born 1864
Thomas father
Ann mother
born Camberwell Surrey
Thomas Green 57
Ann Green 55
William A. Green 31
Thomas P. Green 20
Theresa E. Green 17
Joseph E. Green 14
Esther A. Goodyer 18
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Thank you all.
Looks like this is going to take me a while to sort out. The William Edward Southouse Green death (or no death) in 1858 is one complication - coping with multiple Theresa Edith Greens takes it to an entirely new level.
Maybe I'll regroup for a while then tackle the William Edward ### Green end of things first. There is a strong likelihood (but no certainty) that William Edward Southouse Green and William Edward Catoir Green were one and the same person (and the father of Theresa Edith) - the dates and places and parentage seem right but ......
Oh well, every good puzzle has multiple entry and endpoints, doesn't it. I'll rethink my data and the possibilities and get back later.
Thanks again for all the contributions.
Whitey
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Hi Whitey
Can you change the Heading to Theresa Ellen GREENE? Every record in SA has her middle name as Ellen so in fact the Theresa Ellen GREEN born Romford (Essex) Dec 1/4 1859 4a 89 is more likely the lady in question.
I didn't see anyone mention the fact that Joshua DAVY and Theresa Ellen nee GREENE had four more children in NSW.
26767/1887 DAVY Joshua B at MINMI
35770/1889 DAVY Nellie M at BROKEN HILL
8535/1892 DAVY Rose A B at BROKEN HILL
12496/1894 DAVY Jessie M at EDEN
Seeing the youngest named as Jessie M . . .
and the family named in the 1871 CENSUS posted in reply #7 . . .
as well as Theresa's death with parents named Edward and Mary A . . .
I conclude these facts cannot be a co-incidence.
Theresa Ellen nee GREENE born 1859 must surely be a sister to Jessie Martha nee GREENE born 1856 (in UK BMDs).
I am mindful there were a few Edward William GREENs but this one is more likely than a death in 1858.
Dec Q 1860 GREEN Edward William
St Luke Middlesex vol 1b page 358/388
Essie
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Just noting re the 1851 census quoted how the two Eliza Pritchitt's relate to Theresa Green - her mother being Mary Ann Pritchitt, baptism and marriage being :
Baptisms St Martin Birmingham county of Warwick April 1825
1825 April 5th No 1209 born 16th November 1823
Mary Ann Daur of John Martha Pritchitt of Essex Street cabinet maker
0825 April 5th No 1210 born 2d February 1825
Emma Daur. of John Martha Pritchitt of Essex Street cabinet maker
1843 marriage St Mary Lambeth
No 373 10th December 1843
Edward William Green full age bachelor salesman of Princes Street
Father Edward Smithhouse Green ??????????? [I think should say Southhouse, but it looks like Smithhouse, and I can't make out his trade]
Mary Ann Pritchitt full age spinster of Princes Street
Father John Pritchitt brush manufacturer
in the presence of Charles ????pell, Eliza Pritchitt
Interesting to note the second witness is an Eliza. In the 1851 census the two Eliza's are her sister who was baptised St Philip Birmingham 17 April 1827 (Married Henry Swinburne 3rd June 1851) and fairly certain despite a slight age discrepancy, the other Eliza is her brother James Joseph Pritchitt's daughter :
Page 129
Baptisms St Mary Newington Surrey 1844
Sep 8th born July 29th 1844 No 1027
Eliza Louisa D of James & Susan Pritchitt of Kent St brushmaker
I think likely the following is Theresa's mother and sister - on 8Jan1879 the immigrant ship Salisbury arrived in Adelaide, South Australia and amongst the passengers are:
Single Women
Mary Ann Green - domestic servant
Jessie Green - domestic servant
Theresa's other sister Ada Kate Southhouse Green had been in Australia for a year by then and information on Ada and her descendants can be found at http://bruerfamily.com.au/index.htm
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Thanks Roy
YT2
(For Essie … I’d be happy to change the topic title as you have reaquested but I have no idea how to do it. Perhaps if a MODERATOR reads this response they may be able to dit it for me, YT2)