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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: ladytodd on Friday 13 August 10 16:42 BST (UK)
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I live in England and trying to trace George Shepperson born 1842 Bingham Nottinghamshire. I have located a death record in the Australian records on Ancestry for a George Shepperson in 1912 Granville NSW Reg No 5963
parents Samuel & Jane. The only thing that draws me to this record are the parents as I know his parents were called Samuel & Jane. I am possibly clutching at straws but I would like to get hold of this record to see if he is the one I'm after. Can anybody tell me how I go about obtaining this record? Many thanks Ladyt
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Hi Ladytodd,
If you go to this site
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
Select deaths and put in your chaps details and then search, the record will come up and on the right hand column is an option to buy now. If you buy online it is relatively cheap.
A cheaper option is a transcription agent. In NSW we have three and all come highly recommended.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToTraceYouFamTree.htm#TranscriptionAgent
Contact them with the information you have and they will email you a transcribed version of your certificate.
Cheers
Siouxsie
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Thanks so much for that. Ladyt :)
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Hi Ladytodd,
Are you able to tell us whether GEORGE was a married man?
Sue
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Hi Sue, I don't know if he's married - not sure if he belongs to me. He had a brother Henry who went to Australia in 1864. I have him as a probable death in UK only because I couldn't trace him after the 1861 census. Whilst looking for info on Henry/Harry i came across the death record for George and thought he could belong only because the parents were named as Samuel and Jane - his parents names. I know there are plenty of Samuels and Janes as parents but thought too much of a coincidence not to research him. I can't find any emigration records for him but thought as I couldn't find him here he may have followed his brother to Australia.
Ladyt
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Hi Ladyt
This man came to Queensland.
SHEPPERSON, Henry 21 {unfortunately the year is missing from the record}. Ship, Bayswater. Record. Details IMM/113 70 Z1957 M1696
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp
This man came to Melbourne, but much too late for your time-frame.
SHEPPERSON HARRY Age 25 Date OCT1885 per LIGURIA B4 58 006
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=24
Not knowing anything about your GEORGE makes searching hard.
Are you able to tell us anything more please ;D
Sue
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I don't know if he came to Australia at all it was only while looking for Henry that I saw the record. As he has disappeared from any records in the UK assumed he followed brother to Australia. I don't know much about him only that he was born 1842 Bingham Nottinghamshire and was a Labourer. I'm prob barking up the wrong tree - there must be quite a few Geo Sheppersons in Australia so its a bit of a long shot really. Thanks for looking anyway. Ladyt
PS I saw that record for Henry - everything but the date - the most important bit! :(
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Corrected information below in post #12
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Thanks so much for that Merlin ;D
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Actually I'm in the middle of rechecking the date.
If you want to hang five, I'll be back with the corrections after checking the full passenger list :)
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This looks better:
Arrival: Bayswater 1256 tons
Master: Robert Morris
Origin: Liverpool
Via: Greenock
Arrival: Keppel Bay May 23 1864
Destination: Brisbane Jun 11 1864
Carried 131 adults (100 British, 31 Irish), 24 children and 9 infants.
AND on board one Henry SHEPPERSON age 21yrs :D
Do you need the full passenger list?
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That's great thankyou! I don't need a passenger list unless there are any other Sheppersons on there. One question though - I don't know whether it's me being stupid but destination Brisbane 11 June arrival Kepple Bay 10 June? Was 11 June an approx date? Also was the date of Jan 1864 the departure date ??? Ladyt
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Sorry, the passenger list is very hard to read so I have now transcribed this from the ships report.
The Bayswater left Liverpool, England 25 Jan 1864, arrived Greenock, Scotland 5 Feb 1864.
After a fairly prosperous voyage she cast anchor in Keppel Bay on May 23 1864, after a voyage of 108 days. She arrived a clean ship.
The passengers were then brought to town from Keppel Bay by the steamer Diamantinat, arriving safely on May 27 1864.
The Bayswater arrived Moreton Bay 11 June 1864.
Captain Robert Morris, and Dr. R. Bargory as Surgeon Superintendent.
No other Shepperson's on the passenger list.
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That's fantastic - more than enough info there - thanks so much ;D
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I see that Henry/Harry married Mary & had children in QLD.
I can't see any deaths for them in QLD do you know where they died?
Just trying to see if there are any leads to your elusive George :)
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Henry/Harry Shepperson married Mary Cochrane 2/4/1866 at FortitudeValley. He had four children Harry Dobbin Shepperson born 4/12/1868 and died 1870, Harriet Isabella Shepperson born 29/4/1867, Leonard Shepperson born 19/9/1870 Kangaroo Point died 1900 Waterloo NSW, Frederick Shepperson born 7/4/1872 but died 8/4/1872. We wasn't lucky with his children. Wife Mary died 1912 Sydney NSW. I can't find a death for Henry. Apparently bit of a wife beater (small piece in one of the papers) and ran off with an actress!! Ladyt
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I've found daughter Harriet Isabella do you have her info?
Perhaps he might turn up within the same area ::)
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I have a marriage for Harriet in Victoria to a David Eellett (think maybe it should be Elliot) in 1914 but that's all I have I'm not sure what year it was when he ran off with the actress but he did have a bookshop on QueenStreet,Brisbane.
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Harriet's marriage:
SHEPPERSON Harrietta Ysobel m. KELLETT David 1914 VICTORIA #4779
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Harriett's death:
KELLETT Harrietta Isobel age 53yrs d. 1920 MELB E #11388
Father: Shepherdson Henry
Mother: Etta KELLETT
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I have just found HARRY ;D
Got a bit to type up so back soon :)
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Harry's Death:
SHEPPERSON Harry age 47yrs d. 1888 CLIFTON HILL #8957
Clifton Hill is in Victoria.
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There was an inquest into his death as he died in a lunatic asylum:
SHEPPERSON Harry age 47yrs d. 1888
Place: Yarra Bend Lunatic Asylum
Reference: 1085
Cause: Brain Disease
Occupation: Lunatic
Couldn't help but laugh at the occupation ::)
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He didn't live long then after deserting his wife - serves him right. Looks like the actress made him lose his mind I wonder who she was? Fancy putting his occupation down as lunatic. With regard to Harriets death her Mother is down as Etta Kellet - I suppose it could be her mother-in-law? :-\
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Yes, probably MIL or SIL.
I can lookup & see if David & his family were from Victoria if you like.
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Yes please - if it's not too much trouble - thank you :)
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Harriet also left a WILL you might find it interesting to read.
You can search for & download it here:
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=54
Click on the second link: VPRS 7591 P2; when you open her page file.
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These is no link to click on just a couple of lines going on about errors. Went into the menu at the side to put all the info in but 'they' say there is no info. what else can I do to be able to read it?
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Just go to the search page here & type KELLET in the surname & you will see her in the list:
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/indexes/index_search.asp?searchid=54
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Managed to bring it up - that is seriously bad handwriting!! She didn't leave much to her husband that I could tell and she left all her furniture etc to her friends - don't understand that! I was thinking that her husband may have been married before and older than her as there wasn't any children that I could find. I think she only married after her Mother died in 1912 as she was 47. Thanks for all your digging - you are a star! ;D
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That's because he deserted her a few years later:
KELLETT, David Joseph.
Deserted wife Harriette at Collingwood in 1918.
A bootmaker, 36-38 years old, his mother lived at Collingwood, his sister was Mrs. OHLSEN.
Harriette’s letter on file. 12 pages and photo.
From the Victorian Police Gazettes
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David's death:
KELLETT David Jos age 71yrs d. 1951 LDALE #19066
Father: Richard
Mother: Gtrude Charlott JOHNSTON
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David's birth:
KELLETT David Joseph b. 1880 CWOOD #7709
Father: Richd
Mother: Gertrude Charlotte WILSON
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Harry's burial:
Boroondara General Cemetery - (Kew Victoria)
SHEPPERSON HARRY
Date: 07-Sep-1888
Grave Location: BAPT A 0263
Section Name: Baptist
Service: Burial
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David's burial:
Boroondara General Cemetery - (Kew Victoria)
KELLETT DAVID JOSEPH
Date: 25-Mar-1951
Grave Location: PRES A 0384
Section Name: Presbyterian
Service: Burial
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Perhaps David married Harriet because he thought she had money ;D It is sad though. It wasn't a very lucky family :( Have you got a link that I can go into to read about David deserting Harriet
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I'd say that could have been the case as he was younger than her.
The desertion reference is from the Police Gazettes you have to purchase a copy of the actual file to get the 12 pages which includes the letter & photo.
I wonder who the lady was she left it all too... all the way over in WA?
Any clues with the names?
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A photo would be interesting! The names of the witnesses are Fanny and Henry Beales from Perth WA. Fanny to get everything to sell and pay for funeral expenses and the upkeep of same plus it looks like £15 but I don't think that's right. If she died before Harriet then Henry would get it all. I have no idea who they are or whether they are any relation to her - it's a bit strange. I may see if I can get a copy of this desertion thing - just to have a look at the photo!
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The photo would be of him as it's a police file on David & the file is held at PROV & would need to be retrieved from storage. I will send you the details of how to purchase the file BUT be warned it isn't CHEAP!
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Fanny BEALES died in WA, can't see a marriage over there for her or a death for Henry.
Fanny's death:
BEALES FANNY d. 1928 PERTH #1318
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Fanny's burial:
KARRAKATTA CEMETERY WA
FANNY BEALES age 63yrs
Burial date: 22/08/1928
Death Place: EAST PERTH
Grave Location: WESLEYAN
Section: EA
Gravesite: 0516
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Thanks for your mail re obtaining records. It does look rather expensive so may have to give it a miss. If there had been a photo of Harriet then I might have thought about it - at the end of the day I'm just being nosey-
typical woman! The fact that he deserted her says everything really. I wouldn't expect anyone to go there personally for me. I think you have done plenty enough to help me today so I thank you for that. You have found out more than I could ever have done - you are a star ;D
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Hi,
So Ladyt.
The picture as it stands is..
You believe the parents of HENRY/HARRY SHEPPERSON were SAMUEL & JANE SHEPPERSON.
I am guessing you have some evidence for this
You have seen GEORGE SHEPPERSON'S death with the parents SAMUEL & JANE and wonder if they are brothers.
You say you have evidence of a brother of HENRY/HARRY named GEORGE (Initial posting)
To this point, no connection between the two has been discovered >:(
The purchase of the certificate for the death of GEORGE in NSW (per reply #1) will give you a lot of information if the informant had the knowledge and may be the only way to confirm a relationship.
Sue
:-[
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Ladyt,
Interesting, some directories have a H Shepperson as a bookseller and stationer in Queen St Brisbane between 1868-1874.
Also there were 3 Shepperson persons with miners rights for prospecting 1870-1874 at Ravenswood North Queensland.
Regards
Gerry
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http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27464562?searchTerm=beales+henry
Henry Beales wife of Fanny Beales died in Geelong in Victoria in 1917
FOUND A RELATIONSHIP
Arthur Beales who was the brother of Henry married Elizabeth KENDALL daughter of Joseph Kendall
Jenn
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Hi Everyone, Thanks for your continual digging whilst I was sleeping!! Its all very, very interesting and I will prob try and get the death certificate for this George Shepperson which was my original query. But I have gained so much more info on Henry its fantastic. I did know he had a bookshop but didn't really know for how long or whether he deserted the bookshop as well as his wife and family - all for an actress! ::)
Re the 'Sheppersons with mining rights in North Queensland'- how would I go about getting more information
on this. Thankyou all so much Ladyt ;D
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Ladyt,
Can you PM me an email address, I have a photo to send to you :)
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Ladyt
There is a marriage notice in the Brisbane Courier for Tuesday 17th April 1866 for the marriage at Fortitude Valley (Brisbane) on 2nd April 1866 of Harry Shepperson late of Bingham to Mary Cochran of Porterdown Ireland. (the article is actually longer than what I have wrritten)
You can view this at the following address.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1265854?searchTerm=shepperson
Regards
Gerry
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Thanks for that :) I don't suppose you have a link for the three Sheppersons who had miners rights in 1870-1874 ??? Ladyt
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See what I can find out.
There is a fair bit of information in the Brisbane papers of the day about H Shepperson and to have a bookshop in Queen St Brisbane and live at Kangaroo Point or Fortitude Valley he must have been doing ok.
A warrant was put out for his arrest for assaulting his wife in 1875 plus he and a Mr Howard were involved in the theatre in the late 1870s.
Gerry
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I knew that Henry was a bit of a 'wife-beater' but haven't got any details to confirm this - he must have had a criminal record then :o Wait to hear if you find anything about the miners rights - Thankyou
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Hi Ladyt,
An item from the NSW Police Gazette Aug 18 1880
Sydney. -A warrant has been issued by the Central Police Bench for the arrest of Harry Shepperson , charged with unlawlawfully deserting his wife Mary , of No . 62, Myrtle -street, Darlington , leaving her without means of support. Shepperson is about 36 years of age , 5 feet 9 inches high, medium build, dark hair , moustache , and Imperial , otherwise clean shaved; fashionably dressed.
Cheers Kris :)
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Blimey
at 6 feet 9 inches high he would literally stad out in a crowd!!!
Jenn
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Oops sorry Jenn typo - its 5'9 :-[
Kris :)
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well that cut him down to size in a hurry
kind thoughts JEnn
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Was just about to reply with more or less the same comment about his height - was going to say where did all the tall genes go as we are quite a short/average height family. He sounds a bit of a rat with his assaulting his wife think it was 1875c and then deserting her. He got his payback in that he ended up in a lunatic asylum and died in his late 40's :D Ladyt
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Ladyt
Regarding the Queensland Minrer's Rights for JH, WM & JW Shepperson.
Mining wardens issued mining rights for designated mining areas I have some information relating to Shepperson.
From the Queensland Government Gazette.
Miner's Right
J H Shepperson Licence No 63136 issued 30th May 1874 for Ravenswood Qld
WM Shepperson Licence No 35410 issued 22 Oct 1870 for Ravenswood Qld.
J w Shepperson Licence No 38454 issued 14th June 1871 for Ravenswood Qld.
Gold was discovered at Ravenswood in North Queensland in 1868.
J W Shepperson Licence No 54670 issued 14th Dec 1872 for Charters Towers, Broughton and Capoe Rivers.
Gold was discovered at Charters Towers in 1871 and the Palmer River in 1873.
There were thousands of prospectors who came to the north Queensland Gold fields in the 1870s many came frrom overseas and the Victorian Gold Fields as well. These Sheppersons were there in the early period of the rush.
Also there were unclaimed letters gazetted as being held by the Post Office for J W Shepperson as follows.
Address Barcoo 4th July 1868 letter code UK
Address Springsure 5th Sept 1868 letter code C
Address Rockhampton 6th May 1871 letter code UK
Address Tambo 6th Oct 1874 letter code O
Address Palmer 7th Nov 1874 letter code C
Don't know what the letter codes mean but probably where the letter was sent from.
Dont know any more about these Sheppersons but they may have been brothers or at least closely related who got the prospecting bug like may did including my past relations who went to Charters Towers.
Regards
Gerry
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Thank you Gerry - I will have to look into them and see if they belong to my family. Thanks again Ladyt
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Hello,
Is this Joseph Kendall the man from Shropshire who was transported to VDL on the MOFFATT in 1842 aged c19?
Julie in Hobart
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Hello Julie,
I do not know a Joseph Kendall - David Kellett was my interest.
Ladyt
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Hello Julie,
I do not know a Joseph Kendall - David Kellett was my interest.
Ladyt
I am very interested in Joseph Kendall, Julie. I know you hav'nt logged in for a few years, but Joseph Kendall is a relation of mine! Please get in touch asap.
Rich
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Hi first post. This is a quick question for Merlin. I am trying to confirm my ancestor arrived on the Bayswater in 1864. His name was John Wotherspoon and came out with his wife Elizabeth Buchannon and 2 children. They turned up in Rockhampton that year.