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Title: Help to decipher Welsh place name -- COMPLETED, thanks
Post by: MerciaAnglii on Friday 13 August 10 13:42 BST (UK)
Help to decipher Welsh place name please.


Here are two documents refering to the same person, albeit ten years between each document.

The transcript for the 1st doc reads,  "Wareham, Denbighshire, Wales",  but I can't find a Wareham on a map.

The transcript for the 2nd doc reads,  "Brinham, Wales",  but I can't find a Brinham on a map either.
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: gortonboy on Friday 13 August 10 13:46 BST (UK)
could it be Brynymaen

http://genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Brynymaen/index.html
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: gortonboy on Friday 13 August 10 13:54 BST (UK)
or,,how about  berse/bersham

http://genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Berse/index.html
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: JonathanC on Friday 13 August 10 13:56 BST (UK)
I think Wrexham for the first...
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: genjen on Friday 13 August 10 13:56 BST (UK)
The first one is surely Wrexham?

Jen :)

Ooops, snap!
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: gortonboy on Friday 13 August 10 14:00 BST (UK)
berse/bersham is in Wrexham,,, :)
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: nainmaddie on Friday 13 August 10 14:54 BST (UK)
 I totally agree with Wrexham for the first doc.
If Gortonboy says Beresham I will bow to his knowledge.

Maddie
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: Gadget on Friday 13 August 10 15:05 BST (UK)
Take it from a local girl - it's spelled Bersham  :D

Added - but I wonder if it's really Bryn<somethng> - spelled on the census as Brin....


There are quite a few Bryn.... around the Wrexham area  :)
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: gortonboy on Friday 13 August 10 15:08 BST (UK)
nothing to do with knowledge,,i just looked on genuki for parishes in denbighshire begining with B,,, ;D
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: Gadget on Friday 13 August 10 15:14 BST (UK)
Maddie Mercia
 
If you could give his age/dob, we Denbighshire born and breds might be able to check some local records  :)


Gadget (I see it's circa 1825 on the 1871)
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: Gadget on Friday 13 August 10 15:33 BST (UK)
Well -he's born Longton, Staffs on the 1851 - HO107/2007/185/43  ::)
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name
Post by: MerciaAnglii on Friday 13 August 10 16:33 BST (UK)
Thank you all very much for your help

The persons name is David Hughes, b abt 1826.  He spent most of his life in Longton, Stoke-on-Trent.

Gagget is correct in saying his earlier census's have him recorded as being born in Longton, but I think this is either a mistake on the part of the enumerator, or, perhaps David Hughes deliberately misled the enumerator, as I have read that many people of that time were suspicious of the census??

Thanks to you all -- I see now (on a map) that Bersham is just on the south-west outskirts of Wrexham, & I can see a Bersham Rd that runs pretty much into the centre of Wrexham.  It never occurred to me, until you mentioned it, that the census might be referring to Wrexham, & I would never of got Bersham!  It did look like Brin - something on the 1881 census.

Your info has just helped me to find what i think are David Hughes's parents:  William Hughes, b. abt 1806 in Hope Parish, Flintshire (7 miles north of Wrexham), & Margaret, b. abt 1801 in Gresford, Denbighshire (3.5 miles north of Wrexham),
Title: Re: Help to decipher Welsh place name -- COMPLETED, thanks
Post by: nainmaddie on Friday 13 August 10 22:14 BST (UK)
Hi All

I am so pleased that you were able to get the through the minor brick wall !

Gadget, sorry the spelling mistake caused by not reading with my glasses on, having been enlarging the script.

I love happy endings !!

Maddie