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I'm hoping someone can help my dear friend. Her father, John Reidy, was born in Wallsend in 1912. His mother was Elizabeth. Can anyone help with lookups for that area? Thanks, Sally
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Hello
modified - should have said Welcome to Rootschat! :)
John Reidy born 1912 (March Quarter) in Tynemouth district.
Tynemouth volume 10b page 399
Mother's maiden name was Lawler
She could buy the birth certificate from GRO.
I'll see if I can find anything else
Best Wishes
Morgan
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There's a possible marriage in the same area:
James Riedy and Elizabeth Lawlor in 1911 December Quarter
Tynemouth volume 10b page 480
Mistakes are fairly common on certificates and some spelling changed over time, so this may be the right parents for John.
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Wow, that's fantastic. Were there other Reidy's in the area? How would she go about getting the birth certificate? Thanks for all your help, Sally
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Hello again Sally :)
Certificate prices have increased this year. The GRO can provide them:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
However they don't do a checking service (i.e. some degree of verification of your order) so you may be better off with the local register office. I'm not familiar with the area, but I know Tynemouth records are not all in the same place. Perhaps someone can advise which would be the correct register office, or you can use the GRO service.
Here's a link with some useful info about Tynemouth:
http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Tynemouth/index.html
If your friend knows the exact birthday, that will help. The birth certificate will confirm the details of John's parents, e.g. names, maiden name, Father's occupation.
This site tells you about what info is on BMD certificates:
http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm
If you decide to send for the certificates, you can post here again so that someone can help look for John's parents.
Good Luck
Morgan
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Morgan,
Yes, Wallsend town and wider parish was covered by Tynemouth Registration District from 1837 ( A wee bit quirky in that Register Office was in town of North Shields- even Tynemouth Parish Church lay in town of North Shields !)
Tynemouth RD covered a wide area in south east Northumberland, including Wallsend ( lying between Newcastle and Tynemouth/North Shields)
Tynemouth RD changed it's name in 1936 to Northumberland South.
With the creation of the new county of Tyne and Wear in 1974 out of the southern bit of Northumberland ( and a north bit of County Durham)
the same Reg Office divied up it's records, some to Northumberland Central and Newcastle, and get the rest and got a new name of North Tyneside Reg District.
Sally, I was surprised to see that on 1901 census, there were only 10 Reidy folk in all of Northumberland - all one family under Ireland-born Michael, a Customs official, and Ellen Reidy. Living in the town of North Shields. (Census page ref 4603-77-10))
Also on 1901 census ( 4796-93-30)) was Elizabeth Lawler, 13 yr old dtr of Ireland-born widower Thomas, living in Vine St, Wallsend.
Michael
Newcastle
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Hi,
It's been quite a while since I posted about REIDY in Wallsend, but I've been doing as much research as my Ancestry.com subscription will let me :).
James Reidy married Elizabeth Lawlor Oct 14, 1911 at St. Columba's in Wallsend. Would it be possible for someone to do lookups for anything related to Reidy at St. Columba's, please?
I know they had one child, John, born January 1912, but there may have been other children. It's also possible that at least one of the children died.
Also, I was trying to find James Reidy in the 1911 census in Wallsend, but was unsuccessful. He would have been single & a miner. I did find a James READY in Newcastle on the 1911.census.uk website, but it doesn't give me an enumeration district. If someone could do a lookup for me, or at least tell me the ED, I can look it up myself.
Thanks so much!
Sally
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Dec 1913 registered as James F Reidy, mother's maiden name Lawlor, Tynemouth 10b 438
This was the only one that came up even using phonetic spelling
Janis
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Hi
Unfortunately we can't do 1911 look ups but there are lots of suggestions for searching the free index on this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html
www.freebmd.org.uk is a good site for searching for births, especially after 1911 when the mother's maiden name is shown. I would assume that is what Janis has used, though the information is on Ancestry too.
Does the census information Michael gave you last year fit with that from the marriage certificate?
Regards
Andrea
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Thanks so much. Yes, James Reidy & Elizabeth Lawlor are the couple in question. Michael provided the marriage info and the birth of their oldest son, John. The birth of a second son James fits in perfectly.
James Reidy is proving to be an elusive character. In my thinking, he should be in the area of Wallsend in April 1911 when the census was taken. His son John was born January 1912, exactly 9 months after the census. But I can't find anything on him, even with alternate spellings of the name.
When people moved to new locations and became members of the local Catholic Church, did they need to fill out information with the church that may have said where they came from? Do you know if the coal yards had any work records that may give employee information? I'd appreciate any help.
Thanks again
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Have you got their marriage certificate? I ask because that will give the name of both fathers and that may help find the families in 1911. An address might be useful too. Assuming Michael was correct with his 1901 info have you looked for that Reidy family in 1911?
Andrea
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No, unfortunately, neither of the suggestions that Michael provided in 1901 panned out. James Reidy's father's name was John. James was a coal miner. James' son John was born in Wallsend January 1912. James married Elizabeth Lawlor around October 1911. Elizabeth is listed in the 1911 census as single & 18 years old in Wallsend. James HAD to be close by when the census was taken, but I just can't find him!
Thanks for any help
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From Film of original registers of the RC Church, " Our Lady and St Columba", Wallsend. Source: Tyne & Wear Archives.
Marriage 14 Oct 1911.
James Reidy of 15 Jubilee St, son of John. and,
Elizabeth Lawlor of 16 Diamond St, daughter of John
Witnesses
Thomas Digby of Wallsend
Margaret Ann Knight of South Shields
Wilfred Downey Miss. Ap
Baptism
John Reidy born 27 Jan 1912, baptised 18 Feb 1912, son of James and Elizabeth Reidy, nee Lawlor
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The Baptism Register included indexes in surname alpha-order.
One index covered 1898-1913. This included one Reidy, the bapt above.
The next index covered 1913-1920. This included no Reidy !
I have seen a document which held the name and signature of John Lawlor, the father of bride Elizabeth. He clearly signed his name Lawlor.
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Michael
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Thanks so much! I did some detective work and discovered that James Reidy was identified as James Knight in the 1911 census in Wallsend.
The marriage certificate was the tip-off. Margaret Ann Knight of South Shields was one of the witnesses. I looked up all the Knights in South Shields and found a Margaret Ann that seemed to fit. Then I looked up the Jubilee Street address that was listed in 1911 census. This was the home of a known relative of my friend...the Mullens lived there. There was a James Knight listed that fit everything that I knew about James Reidy.
I wondered if the Mullens identified him as James Knight because they knew his mother & step-father. I looked up prior censuses and found James Reidy listed as a step-son.
Now that that's been solved, I want to find out more about James Reidy's parents. I know his mother was Margaret Toker from Durham County. His father was John Reidy. It appears that James was born in about 1886, but that his father was somehow out of the picture by 1889 because Margaret Toker Reidy was married to Richard Knight by that time.
Can you help me with any research on Durham county?
Again, I'm very grateful for your help!
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Hello :)
You can find Margaret Toker with her family on the 1881 census, using Familysearch:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
Found the marriage of Margaret Toker and John Reedy in 1884 (June quarter)
Easington volume 10a page 579
Kind Regards
Morgan
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I can't tell you how helpful this message board is. I so appreciate it.
I'm trying to figure out the marriages of Margaret Toker. Her first marriage was to John Reidy in 1884 in Easington, Durham, England. Son James Reidy was born about 1886. Father John Reidy was out of the picture within a couple of years because in the 1891 census Mother Margaret is the wife of Richard Knight living in Westoe, South Shields, Durham, England.
Richard Knight & Margaret have several more children and can be found in all of the censuses through 1911.
Now my question.....the marriage of Richard Knight and Margaret Ready is listed in the FreeBMD Marriage Index in January 1908 in Tynemouth, Northumberland (vol 10b)...about 20 years after they're first listed in the census.
Assuming this is the same Richard Knight and Margaret Reidy, are the marriage indexes civil registrations in England as opposed to a Catholic Church record of marriage? What would be the reason their marriage would be listed so many years after they were together? Did something special happen around 1908 that would have been beneficial for them to register their marriage?
Also, if anyone could possible give me more information on the details of that marriage, I'd greatly appreciate it!
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Hello :)
If that is the correct marriage, it would have taken place in 1908. You could try to purchase the certificate giving their names, ages, Richard's occupation, and 1901/1911 addresses as criteria for the marriage.
Perhaps John Reidy was still alive somewhere so they couldn't marry sooner. Have you checked freebmd for possible deaths? Also a birth certificate for one of the younger children may give Margaret's name, but not definitely because she probably gave Knight as her surname.
Kindest regards
Morgan