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General => The Common Room => The Lighter Side => Topic started by: Inchworm on Monday 09 August 10 19:12 BST (UK)
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Well, is tonights eoisode going to be as good as the others have been so far?
The marmalade connection should be interesting, although he does know quite a bit about his family already. :)
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I am looking forward to seeing his story.....
Jane
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I read last week in my local newspaper monty found out he is closely related to his wifes first husband but, it wouldn't be shown
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Yes it was interesting.I would have liked to hear about the Dons too. Perhaps they were ag labs - not!
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Thoroughly enjoyed this progamme. And I found Monty Don to be interesting and charming. I am sure they could do a whole series on his interesting family!
Abiam2
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Ah sorry to say sky messed up recording tonights episode. No sign of repeat during the week? Athletics on the friday slot of last weeks repeat :( Anyone spot another time?
Sorry no i player facility in this country
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I enjoyed it, Monty seemed genuinely interested. I think there was enough there for another programme.
I would love to go back in time to talk to Ann Hodge, what a strong character she must have had to up sticks & leave her family to go to the other side of the world.
Betty
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Glasses on, glasses off, glasses on, off..... ;D
Seriously, it was very interesting. However I would have liked to have found out who ended up caring for the family after Ann stayed in NZ and the father died. There's always so many little loose ends that no-one ties up.... :-\
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Great episode, I loved the fact that he took notes and showed a genuine interest!
Also, what was this Religious Census that was mentioned, I've never heard of it.
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I was engrossed with this one! Monty had great empathy with all the relations they investigated.He was very interested and made thoughtful comments about each discovery.There were a lot of loose ends, as mentioned in another post, especially the fate of all those children left without their mother!
Kooky
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Glasses on, glasses off, glasses on, off.....
And not even the same glasses - at least 2 different pairs!
Seems a genuinely nice man with an interesting family. Agree with the comments about loose ends, but that often happens.
Linda
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Another great episode in this brilliant series.
I have found Rupert Everett's to be the most entertaining so far!
Regards
Ron
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I can't say that this was a good episode for me. Monty Don kept mumbling - despite rewinding, I still couldn't make out what happened to his brother and sister. The story was 'fairly' interesting, but I suppose Dervla is a tough act to follow :)
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I found it very interesting, and the Keiller family letters were fascinating. The Keiller connection had obviously been very well researched already. I wondered what had happened to all the employees in the Channel Islands who suddenly lost their jobs when the company closed down there and moved to London?
Jennifer
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Monty Don kept mumbling - despite rewinding, I still couldn't make out what happened to his brother and sister.
Glad it wasn't just me that had trouble ;D On the whole though I enjoyed this one.
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I found this one very interesting and enjoyable too. Ann Hodge must have been a redoubtable woman!
It's interesting that the early New Zealand settlers were quite a middleclass lot. There is a fantastic gallery in Dunedin with portraits or photos of the first settlers, and we found it quite remarkable that there was a university there about 20 years after the first settlers arrived. The Dunedin ones were mainly Scots I think - not sure about Christchurch.
Also liked Monty and his obvious interest. He had some good research questions for the team to tackle.
Anne
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I enjoyed it. He has a calmness about him- no drama- and did try to empathise with the various characters.
At first, I thought that there was a theme of absentees going in the series but then remembered that there wasn't one in Dervla's programme but my goodness - a woman who leaves her family was quite a turn up.
However, bearing all those children to an unhappy, unfulfilled husband might have been just too much.
It was pointed out that there were servants and Monty Don's ancestor was away at school so perhaps he found it quite easy to manage them.
I can't see baby Harriet, 1 in 1851, after that census. :-\
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Also enjoyed the programme and intrigued by Ann Hodge. She appears to have had eleven children in thirteen years - perhaps leaving the country was the only way to avoid having any more! Seems as if Monty's great grandmother Charlotte Augusta had a twin called Harriet Vere who died at birth or soon after. Very tough on all the family with a mother in NZ and a father drowned.
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A further thought - I believe that Christchurch settlers (mostly English) were required to have a letter of recommendation from their vicar - I wonder who wrote one for Ann Hodge.
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Yes that Harriet died and they obviously called the next child after her but she disappears. :-\
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Was Ann's maiden name mentioned, did any of the children end up with her family??
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4 yr old Charlotte is a 'visitor' in 1851
HO107 2121 410 28
The other children are with their Dad, the vicar, Charles Hodge
HO107 2121 254 35
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I can't say that this was a good episode for me. Monty Don kept mumbling - despite rewinding, I still couldn't make out what happened to his brother and sister.
According to my OH it was a car crash (that was the point I got up & put the sound through the hi-fi so I could hear the rest clearly) ;)
I enjoyed this one - a good mix in the type of story - religious husband & emigree wife and a successful business. When we heard Guernsey OH commented that it was a bit early for tax avoidance - to find that wasn't the case! I did wonder about what happened to their 100 employees when the business was transferred to Silvertown(liked Monty's comment on the 25 men & 75 persons).
I think he was genuinely interested and therefore came over well - the reaction when he realised the identity of the painting he'd grown up with and then when he produced it struck me as the sort of feeling I suspect many of us get when solving a family puzzle.
As ever there were plenty of loose ends that sound interesting - what happened to those taken by their father to New Zealand (apart from Vere sent back), for example? Plenty of material for more than one programme in the wider family.
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a woman who leaves her family was quite a turn up.
However, bearing all those children to an unhappy, unfulfilled husband might have been just too much.
With her youngest child so young, I wondered if she was suffering from postnatal depression, no doubt not recognised or understood in those days.
Found it an interesting programme, each one throws up new ideas and resources for our own research (even after all these years of researching I am still learning).
Pat ...
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I thought Monty's episode was really good, the series for me is definitely getting more interesting as it progresses.
He did seem genuinely interested and like Mark says, I thought it was good too he was taking notes. He also kept the portrait of Rev. Charles Hodge, which I am sure means something more to him now, if if Monty himself was reserved about him.
One thing that did make me laugh...he went up to Edinburgh and they filmed him looking at a certificate from Wandsworth and the census on ancestry! I wonder if the unseen footage will show more about any Scottish documentation he uncovered before heading to Dundee???
Matt ;)
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With her youngest child so young, I wondered if she was suffering from postnatal depression, no doubt not recognised or understood in those days.
Pat ...
That thought crossed my mind too at the time and I am not sure now I can recall how her journey was funded. It's one thing going back to family but to a place where even now would still be daunting was either very brave or very foolish. I expected tragedy to come to her but then it was revealed that she lived to a ripe old age.
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Also, what was this Religious Census that was mentioned, I've never heard of it.
i didnt see the program (have sky plussed it though) but was it the religious census of 1766 (Ireland) you refer to or a different one?
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I have just looked this up
-1851 population census, taken on the 30th/31st March, was the first census to ask detailed questions re structure of the household, ages etc. Along with this census two other censuses were taken:- an educational census of all schools (including Sunday Schools) asking about the number of students, teachers and running costs, and a census of Accommodation and Attendance at Worship generally referred to as the Religious Census taken on the 30th March
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Hi, I thoroughly enjoyed this one. I was particularly struck by Monty taking notes. I have never seen anyone do this before (I stand to be corrected though) and was impressed that he was taking it very seriously and with obvious interest.
I would like to have met Ann Hodge she must have been an incredibly brave lady.
Regards
Kathb
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The Ecclesiastical Census was taken in 1851 as well as the population census
The returns for England and Wales are now among the Home Office records in The National Archives (HO 129 ).
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09fe/ *
In 1851, in addition to the census of population a census was taken of places of worship. Although this was purely voluntary, most places of worship made returns.
Clergy completing the returns were asked to discover 'how far the means of Religious Instruction provided in Great Britain during the last fifty years have kept pace with the population during the same period, and to what extent those means are adequate to meet the spiritual wants of the increased population of 1851'.
You can read more at the National Archives website *.
Pat ...
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Hi, I thoroughly enjoyed this one. I was particularly struck by Monty taking notes. I have never seen anyone do this before (I stand to be corrected though) and was impressed that he was taking it very seriously and with obvious interest.
I'm sure I spotted Dervla holding what appeared to be a notebook in a couple of scenes although I didn't see her writing in it.
Jean
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These programmes are getting better and better. I'm even managing to stay awake to the end.
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It reminded me of how much Gardeners World has suffered since he left (and I know he had to through poor health). I miss his intelligence, deep thoughtfulness and spiritual calmness - a lot of the time it's descended into trite rubbish since he left the programme.
Carole
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daughter Harriet died 11 July 1856 - from the 19th c newspapers
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daughter Harriet died 11 July 1856 - from the 19th c newspapers
Thank you :)
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It reminded me of how much Gardeners World has suffered since he left (and I know he had to through poor health). I miss his intelligence, deep thoughtfulness and spiritual calmness - a lot of the time it's descended into trite rubbish since he left the programme.
Carole
I totally agree Carole and that was what made last night's episode so good and kept my partner watching all the way through too, Monty is intelligent, asking some really thoughtful questions and it was so nice to have a calm programme for once.
As for mumbling, not Monty, far too well spoken to mumble! ::)
Kerry
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Loved this episode, Monty Don came across as genuinly interested in all he found out, as was so engaging in his conversations with all the people he had to deal with. What a lovely man, as said before it just reminds you what is now missing from Gardeners World.
Sadly though I had major problems with about the first 10 minutes, he speaks so softly and the background music was far too intrusive that I missed a few bits that were said.
I would have been interested to know more about the relationship connection to his first wife, and I notice no mention was made of his previous career as a jewellery maker. I suppose with only 1 hour they do have to be very selective on what information they decide to put out and also have to respect the wishes of the "suject" of the show.
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I can't say that this was a good episode for me. Monty Don kept mumbling - despite rewinding, I still couldn't make out what happened to his brother and sister.
According to my OH it was a car crash
From wikepedia
Don has a twin sister and three other siblings. His twin later suffered a broken neck and blindness in a car crash when she was 19.
Times article October 29, 2006 "He gave up his jewels but found gold in the garden"
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As for mumbling, not Monty, far too well spoken to mumble! ::)
Kerry
OK Kerry, in that case, would you please tell me what Monty said about his brother and sister at the opening of the show ? I listened to it twice, and I couldn't make it out. My wife also asked me what he said because she couldn't understand it, and at least one other RootsChatter had problems too ! :)
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I didn't hear it either, LOL!
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sounds OK - car crash and heart attack mentioned.
Go to about 55 seconds in, thru to 1:15 ish
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tfpvn/Who_Do_You_Think_You_Are_Series_7_Monty_Don/
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As for mumbling, not Monty, far too well spoken to mumble! ::)
Kerry
OK Kerry, in that case, would you please tell me what Monty said about his brother and sister at the opening of the show ? I listened to it twice, and I couldn't make it out. My wife also asked me what he said because she couldn't understand it, and at least one other RootsChatter had problems too ! :)
Thought it was just me :-* rewound it three times and still didn't get it. I suppose that must be one of the reasons why I gave up on Gardeners World when Alan Titchmarsh left >:(
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As for mumbling, not Monty, far too well spoken to mumble! ::)
Kerry
OK Kerry, in that case, would you please tell me what Monty said about his brother and sister at the opening of the show ? I listened to it twice, and I couldn't make it out. My wife also asked me what he said because she couldn't understand it, and at least one other RootsChatter had problems too ! :)
Actually I was being facetious but I think he said they were in a car crash. ;D ;)
Kerry
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he did - and Mum had a heart attack.
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why I gave up on Gardeners World when Alan Titchmarsh left
And gone downhill ever since. I liked WDYTYA with Monty Don, but didn't like him on Gardeners' World and that Toby man they've got now is much worse. They should have just stuck with Joe Swift and Carol Klein (but of course she's too old for the BBC ::)). Now there's someone I'd like to see a prog about. She started off as an artist, so I wonder what her background was.
Lizzie
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I found this the most interesting so far in this series and, unlike many programmes that run to several series, WDYTYA seems to be getting better!
I just wish I could remember to switch it on so I didn't have to rely on iPlayer to catch it!
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I also found the sound track terrible, the mix was awful because he is softly spoken the background noise (music ::)) cuts across it.
My family are always joking that I turn the tv up but this was at that level which I find difficult to hear.
I did hear his mum had a heart attack but not much before that as I was fiddling with the sound controls.
Nice man though, he came onto the BBC FH forum a while back when he was looking into the family.
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sounds OK - car crash and heart attack mentioned.
Go to about 55 seconds in, thru to 1:15 ish
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tfpvn/Who_Do_You_Think_You_Are_Series_7_Monty_Don/
Thank goodness for Iplayer. I keep forgetting to record it!
Dee
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An excellent episode.
The joy of of it being about such a lovely and intelligent man was the icing on the cake. In complete contrast to Jeremy Clarkson's which may have been a good episode, I just couldn't concentrate on it as he irritated me with almost every sentence. ;D
Paul
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I very much enjoyed this episode
The two parts of the family were both good
One of the best I've seen
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So gald it was not just me who had problems with the 1st few minutes of this programme.
With regards as to who WE would like to see on this show, I would imagine that they contact lots of people who, believe it or not, actually turn down this golden opportunity!!!! Mad or what?
Would aslo love to know how many they have on their shelves that have been made but not yet scheduled for showing. We know that the Kevin Whately episode was not shown for I think 2 series.
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There's a lot of judgement of the individuals whose family history is researched. If it was me I would think twice.
Anne
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I really enjoyed this episode and it certainly caught my attention when I heard Rev. Hodge was one of those that drowned from the Royal Charter... two of my own relatives died in the same tragedy.
justmej
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I enjoyed this episode too. Mind you I kept shouting at the screen GO TO NZ and find out more about ANN! Did she marry again and what happened to here over there....
Dee
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I enjoyed this episode too. Mind you I kept shouting at the screen GO TO NZ and find out more about ANN! Did she marry again and what happened to here over there....
Dee
The death of an Ann HODGE (76) was registered in NZ in 1890.
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Thanks for that Geoff. I wonder if she made the newspapers or anything there....
Dee
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almost Completely off topic!
i remember buying earrings from Monty Don when he lurked in a basement emporium on Beauchamp Place.
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I found this the most interesting so far in this series and, unlike many programmes that run to several series, WDYTYA seems to be getting better!
I just wish I could remember to switch it on so I didn't have to rely on iPlayer to catch it!
Bill
I got a HD recorder with freeview on it so I could record the series because I forget too... I works brilliantly!
Dee
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I can't say that this was a good episode for me. Monty Don kept mumbling - despite rewinding, I still couldn't make out what happened to his brother and sister. The story was 'fairly' interesting, but I suppose Dervla is a tough act to follow :)
This really made me laugh. My daughter and I rewound this part about 5 times trying to work out what he said, we thought he said. my brother and sister had a car bunken and all sorts of other weird things, eventually we realised he said "Car crash"
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Only now have I managed to see this episode, excellent all round.
I did pause play at one stage and read some of the typed material, (was it the part of the service after the death of Rev. Hodge?) did I spot something about Ann Hodge having a relative in New Zealand? did she go out to join up with some other family member there? or could she have been there before her marriage? I think more could be teased out on her story, what her maiden name was and where she came from? Surely she must have had some particular reason to go out to New Zealand.
I dont think there are any New Zealand censuses to help us.
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Bill
I got a HD recorder with freeview on it so I could record the series because I forget too... I works brilliantly!
Dee
Dee
I've got 2 Freeview recorders - I just forget to set them! I wish they had a function to record a whole series like the Sky boxes do! :(
Bill
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I can't say that this was a good episode for me. Monty Don kept mumbling - despite rewinding, I still couldn't make out what happened to his brother and sister. The story was 'fairly' interesting, but I suppose Dervla is a tough act to follow :)
This really made me laugh. My daughter and I rewound this part about 5 times trying to work out what he said, we thought he said. my brother and sister had a car bunken and all sorts of other weird things, eventually we realised he said "Car crash"
Have to admit we did that as well and also rewound it a long way back so that subtitles would work (sky seems to take a while to realise you want to read what's being said!) and then still had to replay a couple more times! We ended up about 10 mins behind with all our messing about but a good episode.
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just been on over here and they still havnt fixed the sound track. imo it was one of the best iv seen. i have never heard of monty but he was genuinly interested in what he learnt and it went back far enough to keep me interested. they are showing them in a diff sequence here, bruce was first now monty
perth
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Bill
I got a HD recorder with freeview on it so I could record the series because I forget too... I works brilliantly!
Dee
Dee
I've got 2 Freeview recorders - I just forget to set them! I wish they had a function to record a whole series like the Sky boxes do! :(
Bill
Just noticed that the Freeview/Freesat recorder* on my Panasonic Viera TV doesn't have a 'series link' function, but it has a function where you can set a recording to record on a daily or weekly basis, at the same time and channel.
*Actually it's a recording function which works when you plug a USB hard drive into the USB socket on the TV.
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That helps. I am very lucky in that mine does do series recording :)
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Missed this in August so was interested to see it this morning. A very interesting story, but what made the episode for me was the part that dealt with Retford as I live not 1/2 a mile from St Saviour's church. It was good seeing somewhere I know so well on the TV .
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My Panasonic Freeview recorder likes to record every single edition, when set to record a whole series. So you get all the repeats too!
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Bill
I got a HD recorder with freeview on it so I could record the series because I forget too... I works brilliantly!
Dee
Dee
I've got 2 Freeview recorders - I just forget to set them! I wish they had a function to record a whole series like the Sky boxes do! :(
Bill
Just noticed that the Freeview/Freesat recorder* on my Panasonic Viera TV doesn't have a 'series link' function, but it has a function where you can set a recording to record on a daily or weekly basis, at the same time and channel.
*Actually it's a recording function which works when you plug a USB hard drive into the USB socket on the TV.
Yeah! I bought one of those, so now I just have to remember to set it for the first programme in the series!
Only trouble is, it doesn't have a dual tuner so, if I am away, when it's on my daughter won't be able to watch TV while it's recording! ....... grrrrrr!!!
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I get the repeats too but at least if you look via the info button you know you can delete those without looking at them... I use the standby button and watch the tv (cos thats got freeview too) if theres something else I want to watch.. Found that out by accident one day! ;D
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Did anyone manage to find out what Ann HODGE's maiden name was.
One of the sons who went to NZ died in 1932, Henry Kirke HODGE.
Ian C
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Hi,
I went on G....e typed Monty Don WDYTA then clicked on Daily Mail site(4th item down)and there was an article with write up of programme dated 30 July 10 and at the very end of the article it states that one final story which never made the programme was about Ann Hodge.
Through her Scottish Erskine ancestory which dates back to Sir Alexander Erskine of Gogar,guardian to James 1st of England whom he brought up at Stirling Castle.It turned out Monty Don is related to his first wifes first husband.
Kathy