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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: RnD on Monday 09 August 10 02:38 BST (UK)
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I am looking for the parents of Ralph Russell Shorto.
DOB: 23 May 1908 Place: Portsmouth
We know a little about his naval career, and the fact he was awarded
the "Distinguished Service Cross" in june of 1940, following the 2nd Battle of Narvik.
We also know he died 22 NOV 1956 and was buried in Naples, Italy while still actively serving in the Royal Navy.
We also found a 4 line obit referring to his mother as Mrs. H.R. Shorto of Recife, Brazil.
We have not been able to locate any other information.
Can anyone help me locate his parents???
Any information is greatly appreciated.
Cheers from Australia
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Hi
UK Incoming Passenger List
Liverpool England July 1919
"Deseado"
Helen SHORTO 49
Mary SHORTO 12
Constance SHORTO 10
Ralph SHORTO 9
Wilfred SHORTO 7
Last country of permanant residence = Brazil
86 Whetstone Lane Birkenhead Cheshire... not sure about this address but wonder if it might be their intended address in England or the address of a relative in England.
Cheers
Karenlee
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With luck this is his brother Wilfred and maybe their father...
UK Incoming Passenger List
Southampton England July 1938
"Arlanza"
Embarked at Pernambuco
SHORTO Henry Ralph Trenchard aged 63 Merchant Last address Brazil
Address in England ... Royal Bank of Canada 6 Lothbury London
SHORTO Wilfred Russell aged 28 Merchant Last address Brazil Address in England..... Bank of London and America 6 Tokenhouse Yard London
Looks as though both of these men travelled back and forward from Brazil to England. One voyage in1935 gives their depature address as Recife. Not finding Henry and Helen travelling together however.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi Karen,
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That was quick!!!
Thank you very much for the information.
You and your efforts on our behalf is appreciated.
Cheers,
Diane
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Hi
Ralph's birth is listed on FreeBMD.. if you order this certificate that should tell you who his parents were.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi RnD
Here are some mentions from The Times newspaper:
17 Oct 1939 - Deaths
SHORTO On Oct 11 1939, suddenly, at Pernambuco, Brazil, Henry Ralph Shorto OBE
23 June 1941 - Marriages
SHORTO:RAE - On June 14 1941, at Peebles, Lieutenant Commander Ralph Russell Shorto, DSC RN, to Kathleen Mary Rae.
31 Oct 1945 - Births
SHORTO On Oct 29 1945, Reiverslaw, Peebles, to Kathleen (nee Rae) wife of Commander Ralph R Shorto RN, a son
27 Nov 1956 - Deaths
On 22 Nov 1956, in Naples, Captain Ralph Shorto, Royal Navy, elder son of Mrs H R Shorto, of Recife, Brazil
1 Nov 1938 - Forthcoming Marriages
Mr W R Shorto and Miss Rae
The engagement is announced between Wilfrid Russell, younger son of Mr & Mrs Henry R Shorto of Pernambuco, Brazil, and Lilian Margaret, eldest daughter of Mr & Mrs D M Rae of Reiverslaw, Peebles
16 Dec 1933 - Forthcoming Marriages
The engagement is announced between Lieutenant R R Shorto, Royal Navy, eldest son of H R Shorto OBE and Mrs Shorto of Pernambuco, Brazil, and Amy Margaret, eldest daughter of Mr & Mrs F James Deck, of Bichadero, Young, Uruguay
15 Apr 1935 - Forthcoming Marriages
Lieutenant-Commander W G Brittain RN and Miss Shorto
The engagement is announced between Geoffrey, elder son of Mr & Mrs W F Brittain, formerly of Port Elizabeth and now of Johannesburg, South Africa, and May Russell, elder daughter of Mr & Mrs H R Shorto of Pernambuco, Brazil
13 April 1966 - Deaths
On 8 April 1966 at Dartmouth, Helen Frances Shorto, aged 90, formerly of Recife, Brazil
Hope this helps - Dazey
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Google Books has an entry in the Catholic Who's Who and Year Book 1952
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09up/
SHORTO, Comdr. Ralph Russell DSC RN, serving in HMS Thunderer, b.23 May 1908, son of Henry Ralph and Helen Frances Shorto, married 1941 Kathleen Mary Rae, 2 sons. Educated St Anthony's Eastbourne & Downside. Entered the Royal Navy 1926, served WW2. Rec: Golf, Cricket, Sailing, Motoring. Address: Manadon, Plymouth
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This could be when he got his OBE:
London Gazette 30 March 1920
Henry Ralph Trenchard Shorto Esq
Manager of London and River Plate Bank, Sao Paulo
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Henry Ralph Trenchard Shorto was my great-uncle, the brother of my grand-mother, Maud Shorto, who died in Vancouver, Canada in 1949. She emigrated to Canada in 1913 and married Alex Seymour in Alberta. She had two daughters, Margaret and Dorothy Seymour. I was aware members of the Shorto family moved to Brazil but had no details as to what happened to that side of the family. I had been told that Capt Ralph Shorto had served on HMS Rodney during World War II.
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Henry Ralph Shorto's parents were Henry Shorto 1846-1913 and Jane Mackay 1846-1894. Let me know if other info is needed. Are we related?
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Hi,
My apologies for taking sooooo long to reply, we too are a navy family have been organizing, his next posting and the move.
At this point it looks like we may be cousins. I have nothing concrete yet.
I have a fair bit on Capt. Ralph Shorto, RN, and only a bit about his personal life. If you would like this info, please send me an email
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and I will be more than happy to share it.
Cheers from Australia,
Diane
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Henry Ralph Trenchard Shorto was my great-uncle, the brother of my grand-mother, Maud Shorto, who died in Vancouver, Canada in 1949. She emigrated to Canada in 1913 and married Alex Seymour in Alberta. She had two daughters, Margaret and Dorothy Seymour. I was aware members of the Shorto family moved to Brazil but had no details as to what happened to that side of the family. I had been told that Capt Ralph Shorto had served on HMS Rodney during World War II.
Wilfrid Russell Shorto 1910-1958 &1938 Margaret Lilian Rae
1. Denise Shorto 1942- &1967 Heinrich, baron Thyssen-Bornemisza 1921-2002
1.1. Alexander, baron Thyssen-Bornemisza 1974-
2. Roberto Shorto & Dido Goldsmith ca 1955-
2.1. Maxime Shorto 1977-
3. Charlene Shorto & Antoine de Ganay 1964- & Carlos de Souza
3.1. Sean de Souza
3.2. Anthony de Souza
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I know that this is an old post, but I've just come accross it while looking for some information about my family. Ralph Russell Shorto was my Grandfather. I never met him, but would love to know more about him if anyone can help me. I know quite a bit about the family now, but would love to know more. :)
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I was very glad to read your message. Ralph Shorto was my cousin once removed. His father was my grandmother's brother. She was Maud Shorto and she emigrated to Canada in 1913 to marry my grandfather, Alexander Seymour. They lived in Alberta and had two daughters, one being my mother. Maude died in Vancouver in 1949. I remember when I was growing up my mother would tell me stories of her relatives in Brazil! I regret I never met them. If I can answer any questions I would be more than happy to.
Regards
David Clark
Kamloops, Canada
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I realise that your last post is two years old, but I am intrigued about your relationship with my uncle Ralph Shorto. I am the daughter of his sister Constance with whom he was very close. He came to Dartmouth to visit. I would be delighted to hear from any Shorto cousins.
Constance Edwards
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I'm very glad to hear from you. My mother always use to tell me about her cousins in South America. As you can see from my previous posts, my grandmother, Maude Shorto, came to Canada in 1913 to marry my grandfather. She lived in Drumheller, Alberta and moved to Vancouver in the 1920's. Her other grandchildren are currently living in Glasgow and Arran. Their mother was also Maude's daughter. I'm not sure to what degree, but seems we are cousins!