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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: RedLadybug on Sunday 08 August 10 05:15 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I would be very grateful if someone could lookup the Marriage of Sam MESSENT and Sarah FOWLE
They should have married about 1814 possibly in the St Georges region. Samuel and Sarah's first known child, Elizabeth, was born circa 1814, place unknown. Their second child, Mary, was born circa 1815 in St Georges, Middlesex. Samuel MESSENT was born circa 1788 in Weatherfield, Essex and Sarah (maiden name unknown) was born circa 1793 in Barnes, Middlesex.
Thanks,
RedLadybug
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Hi
MESSENT (?MESSENS) Sam.
FOWLE (?TOWLE) Sarah
1813
Christ Church Newgate London
The Marriage Register for St Leonard Foster Lane and Christ Church Newgate Street shows..
Samuel MESSENS of this Parish Bachelor and Sarah FOWLE of the same Parish Spinster were married in this Church by Banns this 16th Day of May 1813.
Both bride and groom signed the register
Witnesses were H DAWES and J BURNLEY
Cheers
Karenlee
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That fits! If only it gave more detail. Like ages and parents. lol. Can't have everything. :) I've been looking for this marriage for decades!
Thanks for such a quick reply, Karenlee.
Cheers,
RedLadybug
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Baptism Register
St John of Wapping
Tower Hamlets
Elizabeth daughter of Samuel and Sarah MESSENT of St George Middlesex. Born March 1st 1814 Baptised July 3rd 1814. Father's Occupation Grocer.
Karenlee
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Oh, hugs, Karenlee! That's my great, great grandmother and I've never found her actual place of birth! That's wonderful.
You wouldn't happen to be able to look up the rest of the family would you? If so, I'll list all the one's I know - there's 11 of them in total from Elizabeth in 1814 to Letitia in 1836.
Hugs,
RedLadybug
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I'm looking but not finding at the present time.... but I'll keep going...
So great that we got her for you.... ;D
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Yes. It's great. I'm still grinning!!
Here's what I know:
Elizabeth b March 1st 1814 Bapt July 3rd 1814 (you just gave me that. :) )
Mary Anne b c 1815
Samuel Romsey b c 1816
Benjamin b c 1820
Philip b 30 April 1822
Eliza b c 1824
Jemima b c 1825
Joseph b c 1828
Sarah b c 1831
Julius b c 1834
Letitia b c 1836
Hope that helps,
RedLadybug
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Not finding anymore baptisms with the resources that I have access to sorry. There are a couple of possible marriages though if you would like them...
Cheers
Karenlee
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Thanks for checking, anyway, and yes, I'd love the marriages.
I think there should be 4, maybe 5. The whole family except Joseph, I think, emigrated to Adelaide, South Australia by 1861, some even before 1841 so finding them in censuses is impossible!
I have:
Elizabeth m 1833 William Henville BURFORD
Benjamin m 1849 Mary Ann KNIGHT
Eliza m 1854 Samuel STOKES
Jemima m 1851 Thomas Temlett BROWN
Joseph m 1853 Margaret Gotham BARBER
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Not sure which, if any of these are yours, but here we go...
Marriage Register
St George in the East
Tower Hamlets
William Henville BURFORD of this Parish a Bachelor and Elizabeth MESSENT of the Parish of Saint Paul Shadwell, a Minor and Spinster.
Married in this church by Licence and with the consent of Samuel MESSENT the natural and lawful father of the bride a minor. this 16th day of May 1833.
Both bride and groom signed their names
Witnesses were Samuel MESSENT and Mary Ann MESSENT
woops just saw the bottom of your last post.. sorry..do you have full details of these marriages or just the years and the participants??
Karenlee
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I only have the years and the participants so what you are giving me is all new and fantastic. Thanks so much. :D
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Okay .. in that case then... ;D ;D ;D
Marriage Register
St Marylebone
Westminster
May 10th 1849
Benjamin MESSENT Of full age Bachelor Oilman of St Marylebone Father = Samuel MESSENT Oilman
Mary Ann KNIGHT Of full age Spinster of St Marylebone Father = James KNIGHT Undertaker
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Benjamin Dale BROWN and Elizabeth KNIGHT
Karenlee
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Marriage Register
St Andrew Holborn
City of London
Jan 31st 1854
Samuel STOKES Of full age Bachelor, Shopman of Holborn Bars. Father = Thomas STOKES Farmer
Eliza MESSENT Of full age Spinster of Holborn Bars. Father = Samuel MESSENT Oilman.
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Samuel ? HICKS and James HEWITT
Karenlee
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Marriage Register
St Mary Stepney
Tower Hamlets
Feb 20th 1853
Joseph MESSENT Of full age Bachelor, Oil and Colour Man of Bromley. Father = Samuel MESSENT Oil and Colour Man
Margaret Gotham BARBER Of full age Spinster of Dean Street Shadwell. Father = John BARBER Engineer
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were John BARBER and E?? MESSENT
Jemima either married in a Reg Office or the relevant Church is not yet available on the Index that I search.
Karenlee
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Children of Joseph and Margaret...
Baptism Register
St Mary Bromley St Leonard
Tower Hamlets
Margaret Sarah daughter of Joseph and Margaret Gotham MESSENT of Bromley. Born Dec 11th 1853 Baptised Jan 22nd 1854. Father's Occupation Oilman
Caroline Letitia daughter of Joseph and Margaret Gotham MESSENT of Bromley. Born Oct 2nd 1855 Baptised Oct 21st 1855. Father's Occupation Oilman.
Joseph John son of Joseph and Margaret Gotham MESSENT of Bromley. Born Aug 23rd 1857 Baptised Sept 13th 1857. Father's Occupation Oilman.
Jessie daughter of Joseph and Margaret Gotham MESSENT of Bromley. Born May 16th 1859 Baptised July 3rd 1859. Father's Occupation Oilman.
Cheers
Karenlee
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This is wonderful, Karenlee. You are adding so much to my family tree. :D
I wonder if you are able to find any births/baptisms of the children of Jemima MESSENT and Thomas Temlett BROWN? I know that had at least one, Letitia, who came out in the ship with them in 1858 but they may have had others as they married in 1851. I found a Letitia Brown b 1855 in Poplar, London in the FreeBDM but don't know if that's the correct one.
The other baptisms to find would be the STOKES children. The family also came out in 1858 with both children dying on the voyage. Such a tradegy. They were Selina & Samuel.
Thanks again for all your help,
RedLadybug
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I am not getting anything for either family yet...but I will keep looking for you...
Cheers
Karenlee
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I do see in one of the Australian Papers that W H BURFORD went on and married his sister in law Mary Ann.
Karenlee
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Yes, he did! But he didn't have any children by her so she raised her sister's children and didn't have any of her own. Then 18 years later Mary Ann died and William Henville Burford married again six months later but outside the Messent family this time.
And that's not all that happened in this family - it happened with the Samuel Stokes, too. Eliza died and so Samuel married her younger sister Letitia Messent! Letitia did go on to have 4 children by him so she raised her sister's 2 surviving children and hers!!
A bit strange it happening twice in the same family. So out of 4 sisters there was only 2 husbands!
Also, the information you just gave me shows Mary Ann as being the witness at Elizabeth's wedding and then she ends up marrying the groom!
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Dear Redladybug,
I am possible related to Sam Messent e-mail me at (*)
Vickig Thanks
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Hi vickig
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Dawn
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Possible connected to Sam Messent know of a cousin in the USA who is from Margaret Sarah Messent daughter of Joseph Messent & Margaret Gotham Barber; sorry about the way the last message went out, was looking for the pm but couldn't find it thanks Dawn
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I am related to Sa Messent and Sarah Fowle's too
Kay Collins England
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Hi Kay
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
RedLadybug hasn't been online here since 2011.
If their email address hasn't changed, they should receive a notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn