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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Berkshire => England => Berkshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: majnan75 on Friday 06 August 10 15:35 BST (UK)
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
So where did the name Harland come from?
Pres the birth cert of HArold - does that say mother was Ethel Cumby nee Harland?
(I see he was bn 1889 Wandsworth district)
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St Michael Battersea
1888 May 9, Harry Greville, s/o Henry John & Ethel Maud CUMBY, 62 Silcott Road, Mercantile Clerk, born 1888 Feb 3. Died same year according to FreeBMD.
Five other CUMBYs baptised at same church on same day, all adults or older children of William Adolphus and Matilda Cordelia CUMBY. Henry John would appear to be their son as well according to census.
Ian C
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There is a William Harry CUMBY born Mar qtr 1887 Wandsworth, who died Sep qtr 1887 Wandsworth. More than likely a son of Henry John and Ethel as well, which would mean they were probably together from 1886 or even 1885.
Can't see any marriage anywhere, or any sign of them, or son Harold born 1889, in 1891. Henry John is around in 1861, 1871 and 1881. If he was a mercantile clerk, he may have been out of the country.
Ian C
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I see in 1901 that Harold is known as Frederick Harry, and as you say is in a poor law school in Berkshire, not with his mum and her yuonger children.
His place of birth is given as 'unknown' which implies there isnt much contact with his mum.
I do just wonder about this entry in 1891:
RG12 452 108 32
25 Mascotte Str Putney
Charles White 54 Harness maker bn Shevinton Berks
Matilda wife 53 bn Rettenden Essex
Maud E something 5 neice bn Putney
Frederick Gambie 3 'children' bn Putney
Any chance this Fredk could be Harold? MAybe just a red herring, but there is a Berkshire connection and he was born in Putney (Wandsworth reg district)
No idea of his relationship to the Whites!
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The two children are bracketed together as
Niece)
Child )
so possibly someone was trying to indicate that they were children of a niece (or nieces)? 'Child' has been made plural, apparently as an afterthought.
Charles White's place of birth is Steventon.
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Mercantile just means commercial or trade. Most clerks would be based in an office, I wouldn't see this as an occupation particularly likely to involve foreign travel.
You mention a possible connection with the shipbuilding Harland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Harland)family, have you looked into them at all?
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As there are no HARLAND births, marriages or deaths in Reading Registration District between 1837 and 1900 I wonder if you had considered that her birth name might not be HARLAND? She might have been a widow when she married (or cohabited) with Henry John, having previously been married to a HARLAND. Also, she could have taken the name HARLAND if her mother (either widowed or single) subsequently married a man of that name. Although costly it might be an idea to get birth certificates for her other children to see if she always gave HARLAND as her maiden name.
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I wonder if Ethel had been married before? Or was still married to someone else? Might be worth getting the other children's birth certificates to see if the mother's (and father's) name is the same? Doris and Reginald are with her in 1901 and 1911. She said she had two children, none died , in 1911. Probably she had misunderstood the question .......... She also said she had been married for 20 years.
Doris Cordelia Cumby Apr/Jun 1892 Richmond S. 2a 401
Reginald Cumby Jan/Mar 1897 Fulham 1a 195
I notice all the children at the West London Parish School in Staines have no place of birth given, so I don't necessarily think it means no contact with his mother.
I looked at the 1871 census for Ethel M (anything) born Reading c. 1865, and there aren't very many. It might be worth following them all up? There is an Ethel M Miller aged 3, daughter of an army captain on half pay. She is at school in East Grinstead in 1881, and is an Ethel Maud. I don't see her on a quick look in 1891.
They're not at 1 Chivalry road in 1891 - it's a Potts family.
Anne
Sorry Orpheus - we had the same thought at the same time
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