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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Surrey => Topic started by: gheel on Wednesday 04 August 10 22:39 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have found some street names on the census and have tried to google map them to see where they are but I'm not sure of where they are today. Can anyone help?
1861 Census for Frederick Oram b. 1845 Hertford
Looks like Hain Road West or Harn Road West
Civil Parish: Kingston
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County: Surrey
1871 Census
8 Wilson Street
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County: London
1881 Census
20 Manor Stree
Civil Parish: Newington
County: London
1891 Census
6 Victoria Road
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Town: Peckham
County: London
I'm in Australia and fairly new at researching so am very unsure of all the different parishes and counties in England. Thank you for your help
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Hi gheel
Could the Kingston one be Ham? I used to live not far from Kingston and there’s a Lower Ham Rd. (It runs North-South though, so I don’t know where the West would come in!) Then there’s a Ham St in Ham itself, just North of Kingston.
As for Wilson St, it could be the one within the City of London near Moorgate (where I used to work), just north of the Bank of England – a couple of miles from St Pancras. Try googling Wilson St London EC2
Eddie
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There was a Ham Road West in Kingston - see
http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Kingston_Registration_District,_1861_Census_Street_Index_S-T
Eddie
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Hi
Victoria Road Camberwell changed to Dulwich Wood Park
Wilson Street Pancras to Coley Street (just off Grays Inn Road - the address given on the census)
Not sure about Manor Street? Newington in 1881 - can't see it in 1881. Can you check that one again please.
The Ham Road West had disappeared (been renamed?) by the time of the 1871 census, because it doesn't appear on that census according to the 'Historical Streets Project'
Regards
Valda
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Thank you Eidde & Valda
Had another look at the 1881 census and it was Manor Road. Does that make a difference?
Do any of these streets still exist?
Thanks
Gail
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Hi
You can find both the street names that were given on Google maps
In a city of millions of people with thousands of streets some of which will have similar names yes it does make a big difference
In London three Manor Streets changed their names in 1912 and eight Manor Roads changed their names between 1912 and 1929. One of those was in Newington. The name change was to Carter Street. The street shows clearly on Google maps as well. Google will also show you modern day photographs
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4HPEA_en-GBGB236GB236&tab=wl
Regards
Valda
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You can also look at the enumeration description on ancestry which will tell you the names of adjacent or nearby streets to help pinpoint the area.
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Further to this enquiry re Manor Street, I believe it is Manor Place in Walworth, in South London. This the area know as Newington for Family history researcher.
If you Google Manor Place Baths theres a lot of info on there regarding the Baths, it had a swimming pool and ladies and gents baths which people used to visit when they didn't have a bath in their own home.
Some of the commments on there may give an idea of times past, there is also a map which shows how the baths are located, I don't know about the numbering of the houses in the street.
Hope this is of some interest
Gossip64
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Hi
The census address will either state Manor Road or Manor Place. They were very close to each other but different streets. That may account for the later name change of the smaller of the two which was Manor Road to stop any confusion between them. If you use Google map 'get Directions' and put in Manor Place Newington and then Carter Street you can see how close they were. Walworth was an area in the Parish of Newington
On the 1881 census it looks like these two piece numbers though Manor Place being longer may be in more than one piece number
RG11 552
RG11 538
see parish map for Newington
http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/parishes/parish_map.htm
Manor Place Baths wasn't opened until 16th March 1898
Regards
Valda
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1891 Census
6 Victoria Road
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Town: Peckham
County: London
Victoria Road, Peckham was the north end of Bellenden Road. The road still exists but the houses at the that end have been replaced by flats and shops. Try google-mapping it. I've found the Godfrey Edition of old ordnance survey maps very useful with changing London street names.
Christine
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I come across this site about changing street names . Don't know if it will be of use to your needs, I have found it useful to locate places.
http://www.maps.thehunthouse.com/Streets/Old_to_New_Abolished_London_Street_Names.htm#G
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Manor Road 1886
Another good site, it has a lot of old maps.
http://mapco.net/londongoods/goods20.htm
You need to go down until you see Kennington Park, click on this map and it will enlarge it, scroll to the right of the park and you will see Lorrimore square. Manor road is just to the right of it. It is now carter street.