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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: Bilham on Wednesday 04 August 10 21:47 BST (UK)
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Good evening!
I'm researching a Thomas Couch. He married Sarah Tuxworth in Goulceby in 1829 (I have the full record). The 1851 census states that he was born (I think as it is not 100% clear) in Langtree, Devon. This is where my research goes cold. Any information on him and his family in Langtree (presumably from parish records and the like) would be greatly appreciated. I'd also be interested in understanding how and why he travelled all the distance from Devon to Goulceby in Lincolnshire.
Yours hopefully
Bilham
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How old is he in 1851 as we need a birthyear
What was his occupation in 1851 as that may be a hint as to why he travelled to Lincs
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Hi Carol
Thanks for the response, sorry for the delay my local server took the day off!
In 1851 he was aged roughly 52. The census form is quite difficult to read but I think it says that he is a miller.
The 1841 census is clearer (he was in Tealby Lincolnshire at that time) and shows him as a miller.
Thanks for your interest.
Bilham
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Hi Thomas Couch is my 2nd great grandad he came to live in Crowle,North Lincs , his daughter Sophia was born at Crowle 1850, He was a miller and when he died left it 2 his 2 sons,unfortunately it has gone but it stood at the top of Mill Road Crowle. But his mother and farther seam to be lost.
M.Proctor
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A volunteer offers to look up parish records at Langtree see http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Langtree/index.html
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On Freereg: http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.
Langtree All Saints,
THOMAS COUCH baptised 28 January 1798
Son of James and Dorothy Couch.
File number 31390
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FamilySearch shows baptisms to James Couch and Dorothy in Buckland Brewer, about 4 miles from Langtree:
James 1788 *
Margaret 1786
Elizabeth 1791
Susanna 1793
Joseph 1793
(They are the only Couch baptisms in batch C05004-1.)
These could be siblings of Thomas.
* Indeed, in 1851, James Couch, born c1789 in Buckland, Devon (transcribed by Ancestry as "Ruckland") is living in Claythorpe, Louth reg dist, Lincolnshire with his wife and children, all born in Lincolnshire.
James Couch married Sarah Cook, 1827, Goulceby, Lincolnshire.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NKZX-TXM
They are the only two Couch marriages in Goulceby at familysearch.
James and Sarah had daughter Ann, baptised 1827 and buried 1829, in Goulceby:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NGHQ-RV3
I would venture to guess that it was the parents of Thomas who moved the family to Lincolnshire.
There are several Ancestry/Mundia trees with Thomas in them, one at least showing parents James and Dorothy and brother James.
Maybe Bilham has managed to find all this by now -- but in any case maybe it will help Marion!
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The parishes of Buckland Brewer and Langtree adjoin each other. The village centres are about 4 miles apart but both parishes are very scattered with a lot of outlying farms and cottages, so the family probably didn't move very far for Thomas's birth. The distance from Langtree to Lincolnshire is considerable and not a direct journey even today. I wonder why they moved and how they travelled?
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Hi All, Thank's for all your help in finding Thomas's familey, Also found his grandparente John Couch and Margarette Littlejohn can enyone go eny further.
Marion
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You're welcome, Marion! Me, I only have access to what's on line, but if anyone has better access to parish records they may be able to help.
Jan -- that's very true, it isn't always how it looks on google maps. ;) So that means ... my partner's great-grandfather who lived in a little village in Nottinghamshire, as I discovered last week, could actually have been playmates with my great-grandmother who lived in the next village over, maybe not really 5 miles apart at all! And three generations later, after various emigrations and movements around Canada and even the US, here we are living in the same house.
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Freereg have 3 births to John and Margaret Couch all baptised in Langtree-James(presumably the father of Thomas) in 1750, John in 1754 and Thomas in 1755. Sadly there are no earlier records.
In 1878 there was a Reginald whose father was a police constable so it looks as though some of the family stayed in Devon.
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Not sure anymore why I did it (think it was an unrelated Couch project) but some time ago I started to research James Couch, miller from Langtree who moved to Lincolnshire. In case it helps:
James Couch was a miller in Claythorpe, Lincolnshire.
He was the son of James Couch, miller of Langtree, Devon, who died on 28th March 1841, and Dorothy who died at Langtree in early 1846 aged 95.
James Couch married Sarah Cook at Goulceby, Lincolnshire on 21st April 1827
His infant daughter Jane died on 3rd April 1838
Louth Death June 1838 Jane Couch
1841 Census
Belleau
James Couch 50 N
Sarah Couch 40 Y
Mary Couch 10 Y
John Couch 8 Y
Elizabeth Couch 5 Y
James Couch 1 Y
His eldest daughter Mary Ann married at Belleau on 28th December 1846, Henry Laister of Bawtry, Yorkshire
1851 Census
Claythorpe
James Couch Head 62 Miller Ruckland, Devon
Sarah Couch Wife 51 Canningsby, Lincolnshire
John Couch Son 18 Claythorpe, Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Couch Dau 15 Claythorpe, Lincolnshire
James Couch Son 10 Claythorpe, Lincolnshire
Betsy A Couch G Dau 5m Claythorpe, Lincolnshire
Son John Couch aged 26, of Great Northern Railway, Kings Cross married on 7th November 1859 at All Saints, Islington, London, Emma Kezia Laister aged 31 daughter of Thomas Laister farmer of Masboro, Yorkshire. (Per FreeBMD Emma Kezia Leister)
1861 Census
Claythorpe
Sarah Couch Head W 58 Miller Conningsby, Lincolnshire
James Couch Son 20 Miller Claythorpe, Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Couch Dau 25 Claythorpe, Lincolnshire
Betsy Couch G Dau 10 Claythorpe, Lincolnshire
Thomas Couch G Son 3 Claythorpe, Lincolnshire
William Laister G Son 6 Ranskill, Nottinghamshire
His son Thomas James died 27th November 1863
1871 Census
Aby with Greenfield, Lincolnshire
George Crow Head 34 Woodman Aby, Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Crow Wife 35 Claythorpe, Lincolnshire
Fred Crow Son 3 Aby, Lincolnshire
Sam Crow Son 2 Aby, Lincolnshire
Joseph Couch Step S 13 Millers Bo Claythorpe, Lincolnshire
Sarah Couch Mo Law 70 Annuitant Coningsby, Lincolnshire
James died on 18th October 1855 aged 68.
His widow, Sarah, died on 18th January 1873
Burials at Belleau St John The Baptist
21st October 1855 James Couch aged 68
3rd February 1873 Sarah Couch aged 72
Louth Death Dec 1855 James Couch
Louth Death Mar 1873 Sarah Couch aged 72
Burials at Belleau St John The Baptist
6th August 1869 James Couch aged 29
13th May 1866 John Couch aged 33
30th Jan 1883 John George Couch aged 2 months
Free BMD
Louth Birth June 1840 James Couch
Louth Marr Dec 1846 Mary Ann Couch & Henry Laister
Louth Birth Dec 1850 Betsy Couch
Louth Birth Jun 1853 Thomas Couch
Louth Birth Sep 1857 Joseph Couch
Louth Marr Mar 1864 Elizabeth Couch & George Crow
Louth Death Sep 1869 James Couch aged 29
Children
Mary Ann Couch c1831
John Couch c 1833
Elizabeth Couch c 1836
Jane Couch 3rd April 1838
James Couch 1840
JOHN COUCH
Son John Couch aged 26, of Great Northern Railway, Kings Cross married on 7th November 1859 at All Saints, Islington, London, Emma Kezia Laister aged 31 daughter of Thomas Laister farmer of Masboro, Yorkshire. (Per FreeBMD Emma Kezia Leister)
Birth of Emily Kate Couch reg Islington Sept 1860
Marriage of Emma Kezia Couch & Edwin John Laister or Thomas Lambert reg Rotherham, Yorks Jun 1867.
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Hi there' I have just joined the site, I found Marion P who is a distant cousin on it! I've been researching Thomas Couch of Langtree born 1798 for a few years now. He is my Great-great Grandfather. I have a copy of his will, and much information post 1829. Also, some regarding his wifes Sarah (Tuxworth) family etc. My concern with his connection to James and Dorothy is: The name Dorothy does not continue through the family. James and Thomas does continue throughout the 1800s & 1900s. As does Sarahs parental names Jonathan and Elizabeth. There may have been children named Dorothy who died in infancy which was most common at the time, I can find no evidence of this! indeed infant deaths were still occurring into the 1920s with the Couch family. I do not doubt the family connection to James and Dorothy, also the probability of Thomas of Crowle and James of Claythorpe being brothers is very likely. There are too many coincidences for them not to be related. My problem is 'why doesn't Dorothy's name occur? Also, once in Lincolnshire I can find only James and Thomas with a link to Langtree/Buckland Brewer. So I find the possibility of their father James coming to Lincolnshire unlikely. Any help or correction to my notes here would be appreciated. I have been briefly to Langtree, Tealby and Crowle as my father 'Fred (93)' still lives there, still to visit Goulceby, which will be soon. I hope to enjoy and discover new contacts and information on 'Rootschat' and will gladly answer any queries and divulge what information I have which is abundant! ....... Regards
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Dave, Just a query, where did you find out that James 1750 was miller, as I had him as a agricultural worker?
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"My problem is 'why doesn't Dorothy's name occur?"
Not all family names seem to get repeated through the generations. In general I've found a tendency for sons to have names from the father's family and daughters to have names from the mother's, though there's no hard and fast rule. The commoner names- James, John, Mary, Elizabeth seem to be repeated more often through the generations (probably why they are common-duh!), whereas more unusual names like Dorothy were probably either in or out of fashion and may have seemed outlandish by the next generation.
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I appreciate you reply concerning Dorothy. I still find it hard to believe, somewhere it wasn't repeated as a 2nd christian name even. As fashionable, these were agricultural folk, poor, work meant survival, open sewers were still common in Devon in the 18th & 19th centuries. I don't think fashion played a part in the choosing of names. I not 100% sure James (1750) is the father of James & Thomas, as another James born 1791 at Langtree, also Joseph (1793), William (1794) these could be cousins of course. It is quite tough researching pre 1841, as the evidence is brief to say the least! The Couch name is extremely common in Devon and Cornwall, and the christian name Thomas, James, John, William and Elizabeth ( Betsy ) even more so. Thanks for the reply its a great subject and we learn more everyday.
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Hi
Is this a connection to you?
Newspaper Announcement
Wedding at Belleau on 28 December 1846
Mary Ann eldest daughter of J Couch, Miller and Baker of Claythorpe to Henry Laister of Bawtry.
Regards
Schooner
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Indeed -- I referred on the previous page to James Couch, apparently a brother of Thomas, in Lincolnshire, and on this page Dave Jones posted the 1841 household showing Mary c1831, daughter of James, and the GRO reference to that marriage. ;)
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Have since discovered some old notes, concerning baptisms at Langtree, Devon. Sent to me by someone researching their own tree. He also was assisted by beharu@bcglobal.net I believe will do searches for a small fee! anyway:
COUCH James to John & Margette, Jan 10, 1750
COUCH John to John & Margarett, Apr 22, 1754
COUCH Thomas to John & Margaret, Dec 22 1755
The spelling of Margaret is probably a corruption of the name, quite common at the time!
COUCH John to Thomas & Dorothy, Feb 14, 1787. tax paid 3 pence.
COUCH James to Thomas & Dorothy, April 1789. tax paid 3 pence.
COUCH William to Thomas & Dorothy, Aug 14 1791. tax paid 3 pence.
COUCH THOMAS to JAMES & DOROTHY, Jan 28 1798
COUCH William base to Mary, May 15 1808.
I assume 'base' refers to 'bastard' as no father is given!
Cooch Dorothy to James & Dorothy, Feb 11 1781
Cooch John to James & Dorothy, Sept 28 1783, born Sept 13.
I'm sure Cooch is a corruption of Couch, the child Dorothy, may have died aged 13 see below.
As, Thomas was born to a Dorothy in 1798 I assume this was the child. This may also answer my question to why none were named Dorothy, clearly there was! Of course this is assumption, however with the size of the popultion of Langtree at the time. I consider it a safe bet all are related.
Burials
COUCH Richard, Mar 5 1758
COUCH Dorothy, June 20 1794, a pauper.
COUCH Catherine, Nov 15 1810
COUCH John LITTLEJOHNS Margaret, July 16 1751.
It does however seem to confirm James & Dorothy as parents of Thomas 1798!