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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: penny1 on Wednesday 04 August 10 02:00 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for a christening for Mary Hoggarth. She married Johnson Nicholson in Kilham in 1820. According to the 1841 census where her residence is Kilham, she was born about 1806 (it only says in Yorkshire). I have found several of Johnson and Mary's children were christened in Kilham at the parish church ( according to the IGI ) but I don't see Mary. I am looking to find her parents names. They were not mentioned on the entry of marriage that someone kindly looked up for me. Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.
penny
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When did she die? If she was alive in 1851 that would give place of birth.
Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
Her husband Johnson remarried in 1845. There is a death for a Mary Nicholson in 1842, district Driffield, so I think that is probably her.
penny
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There is a death for a Mary Nicholson in 1842, district Driffield, so I think that is probably her.
No it aint her. :(
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Hi Edmund
Can you tell us how you know it is not her?
Andrea
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I got the certificate years ago thinking it was her too, that was money well spent :P
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Mary Hoggarth was under 21 when she married, the marriage record, not IGI, states she married with consent of her parents.
From her marriage record in my possession I can state, that the marriage was on 10th September 1820, between Johnson Nicholson, a farmer's servant, and Mary Hoggarth, spinster, by banns with consent of parents.
Might I suggest you have a look at http://yorkshireparishregisters.webs.com/parishregisters.htm, who have transcribed the baptisms at Kilham. It's easy to get them, they are transcribed into excel format.
Mary Nicholson wasn't buried at Kilham, but a Johnson Nicholson was, 8 December 1857, aged 60. The only Mary Nicholson buried at Kilham was one in 1819, so after the marriage of Mary to Johnson Nicholson.
Tom
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penny,
I have this record:
There is this marriage at Kilham in 1845:- Source: Marriages at Kilham, from http://yorkshireparishregisters.webs.com/parishregisters.htm
Nicholson 1845 Page 31, No 62, January 25th 1845 - Marriage solemnized by banns in the Parish of Kilham in the County of York. Johnson Nicholson of full age, widower, labourer of Kilham [no father listed] and Elizabeth Johnson of full age, spinster of Kilham, father William Johnson, labourer. Married in the Parish Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England by me W D Tyson, Curate. This marriage was solemnized between us, Johnson his X mark Nicholson and Elizabeth Johnson in the presence of us, John Prudames, William Goforth, Richard Ashton and Richard Maltby
If you want the baptism of Elizabeth, daughter of William then in IGI there is a baptism in 8 November 1803, daughter of William & Ann, and that family were in Kilham in 1813 have children baptised-William was a mole catcher, according to the baptismal records, but I don't have the baptisms for Kilham prior to 1813, try http://yorkshireparishregisters.webs.com/parishregisters.htm
Tom
Tom
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Penny,
Further to my last message, I see that Elizabeth Johnson, wife of Johnson Nicholson, according to census of 1851, was born in Kilham about 1804, in which case this is her burial, at Kilham.
Nicholson 1890 Page 103, No 818 - Jan 29 1890 - Burial of Elizabeth Nicholson of Kilham, aged 86 yrs. J. Crosland, Curate (source Kilham burials: http://yorkshireparishregisters.webs.com/parishregisters.htm)
On that census of 1851, the only child at home with Johnson Nicholson & his new wife Elizabeth Johnson, is an Ann Nicholson, which as you no doubt are aware was the child of John Nicholson and his wife Mary Hoggarth. (baptism 26 February 1841 at Kilham-same source Kilham Parish Registers-baptisms 1813 - 1891 from http://yorkshireparishregisters.webs.com/parishregisters.htm )
Tom
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I got the certificate years ago thinking it was her too, that was money well spent :P
Thank you for your reply. There is a death registered in 1844. Do you believe that one is her or have you happened across her elsewhere?
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Penny,
Further to my last message, I see that Elizabeth Johnson, wife of Johnson Nicholson, according to census of 1851, was born in Kilham about 1804, in which case this is her burial, at Kilham.
Nicholson 1890 Page 103, No 818 - Jan 29 1890 - Burial of Elizabeth Nicholson of Kilham, aged 86 yrs. J. Crosland, Curate (source Kilham burials: http://yorkshireparishregisters.webs.com/parishregisters.htm)
On that census of 1851, the only child at home with Johnson Nicholson & his new wife Elizabeth Johnson, is an Ann Nicholson, which as you no doubt are aware was the child of John Nicholson and his wife Mary Hoggarth. (baptism 26 February 1841 at Kilham-same source Kilham Parish Registers-baptisms 1813 - 1891 from http://yorkshireparishregisters.webs.com/parishregisters.htm )
Tom
Thank you for the information Tom! I am inclined to believe that the Mary Nicholson buried in Kilham in 1819 is Johnson's mother (although just my thought..) She seems to be somewhat of a mystery herself... I will check into the parish baptism records at the site you mentioned and see what I can find for Mary Hoggarth. Thank you kindly for your help!
penny
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I got the certificate years ago thinking it was her too, that was money well spent :P
Thank you for your reply. There is a death registered in 1844. Do you believe that one is her or have you happened across her elsewhere?
I never got around to getting the 1844 one. His grandson Johnson married the year after his first wife passed away, so they didn't hang around long back then. Looks like these are the only two registered in the Driffield district.
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Penny,
Sorry I cannot find anything about the burial of Mary, the first wife of Johnson Nicholson in 1844. If Edmund wants access to any BMD at Kilham then he is welcome to send me a PM and I will oblige. I also have some info on the Bulmer family at Burton Agnes from the same source above.
Tom
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Thanks Tom, I have PDF transcripts of Kilham baptisms, marriages & burials in the 19th C, also Langtoft, Rudstone and Nafferton.
Bulmer's are a fairly recent addition (1919) .
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Edmund,
Perhaps you could assist me then-there was a marriage on 8th July, 1875, at Helperthorpe, (Family Search) Esther Ward to William Martindale, her father Joseph, his father George. Esther & William emigrated to South Australia in 1877, passengers on board "Forfarshire", with William's brother Robert.
Esther Ward in the census of 1861, is shown in Helperthorpe, aged 12, a scholar, with her mother Elizabeth, born East Luttton/Sutton. I have had a look for the location of Helperthorpe as adjacent to either East Lutton/Sutton, any chance you could confirm which place it is?
Tom
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Edmund,
Think I have solved it with combination of 1851 census & Genuki Luttons Ambo: The township comprises East and West Lutton (hence its name of Luttons Ambo or both Luttons), each of which forms a distinct manor, and the principal owners of the soil are Thomas Ness, Esq., lord of the manor of West Lutton; H. A. Cholmley, Esq., T. J. Bell, Esq., J. M. Mitchelson, Esq., and Lord Londesborough, lord of the manor of East Lutton. Mr. Noah Russell, Skipsea, has also some property here.
Tom