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Looking for information on John MacPherson b. 18.1.1833 Greenock brother James Drummond MacPherson b.1831
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Hi Moerangi
Kia ora and welcome to Rootschat ;D
Have you got any information already re: parents, Census or BDM etc for these brothers?
(so we don't go looking for what you already have!)
Did they come to NZ?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thank you Yes they did come to NZ John Is my great grandfather. I gather he came through the States as he was discharged from the Trinity Rangers during the Humbolt and Klamath Indian Wars in California in 11.10 1858. He married a Maori named Mariana Te Oha and their daughter Heni Tuia or Jane was my grandmother. John was a store keeper in Matata ( also known as Richmond in the early days)Bay of Plenty and also the first post master. He became well known in the Bay of Plenty. and died in Tauranga 13.8.1887 I have not been able to find his arrival in NZ and have really only begun to try to find out more about him. His brother James is listed as a Christchurch Merchant and owner of two boats in the 1860s. John also owned two boats in the 1870s. Is this any help?
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Hi Moerangi
On the IGI, extracted birth is :
James McPHERSON b 29 Jul 1829, Greenock - parents John McPHERSON & Jean DRUMMOND
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
Also on IGI, all extracted: - To those same named parents are:
Isabella McPHERSON, b 3 Jun 1831, Greenock
Christian McPHERSON b 14 Oct 1834 Barony Glasgow
Elizabeth McPHERSON b 1 Nov 1836, Barony Glasgow
Malcolm McPHERSON b 18 Mar 1839 Barony Glasgow
(the mother is "Jane" for the Glasgow birth; Jane/Jean interchangeable in Scottish names)
The following census, for this family:
1841: Melville St, Perth, Perthshire
John MacPHERSON 40, Exciseman, -N
Jane MacPHERSON 35 - Y
James MacPHERSON 11 - N
John MacPHERSON 8 - N
Christian MacPHERSON 6 - N
Elizabeth MacPHERSON 4 - N
Malcolm MacPHERSON 2 - N
Jessie McNAUGHTON 20, F.S. - N
1851 : 12 Salisbury Street, Laurieston, Gorbals, Lanarkshire
Head: Jane McPHERSON 48, widow, Annuitant, b Crieff, Perthshire
Son: Jas McPHERSON 21, unm, Merchants Clerk, b Greenock Renfrewshire
Dau: Christian McPHERSON 16, b Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Son: Malcolm McPHERSON 12, Scholar, b Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Son: Thos McPHERSON 8, Scholar, b Perth, Perthshire
The 1851 can be found on FreeCEN:
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Some of the children on the Census, I haven't found an IGI birth entry for. Not all parish records (up to circa 1873) have made it onto the IGI, for various reasons. Some scottish counties have better coverage than others - Lanarkshire is pretty good, but I think Perthshire less so.
If your John had already joined the Army by 1851, that explains his absence above. I do think this is your McPHERSONs - James may have adopted the use of middle name "Drummond" - his mother's maiden name - even though he was not baptised as such. Have often see this type of 'adoption' in people who have immigrated away (particulary but not only, in the Americas).
Scotlands People index in their wills section:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Jane MacPHERSON or DRUMMONOD (sic), Helensburgh, widow of John MacPHERSON, Perth
Died 28 Aug 1877 at Helensburgh (Bumbartonshire), Intestate - Admin 30 Oct 1877.
There are at least 3 John Mc/Mac PHERSON in the wills section which might be her late husband - but nothing to as yet positively identify. Two of them were boat captains/masters - I imagine an Exciseman might own a boat ? ??? Not sure if that's a valid imagination or not ;D
Cheers
AMBLY
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James Drummond McPHERSON was in NZ by 1859, according to the following:
http://canterburyheritage.blogspot.com/
"To the Right in the top photograph is the store of James Drummond Macpherson (1829-1894), built in 1859 on piers above the original beach....... A Customs Agent, Lloyd's Agent, Ship owner, General Merchant, Coalmonger and Farmer, Macpherson was the first representative of Mathieson's Agency, a London company which shipped merchandise to the colony on consignment."
He died in Waverley, Sydney on 1 Oct 1894, age 64
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
NSW BDM: Death in Waverley District - 1894 - James D MacPHERSON, father John, mother Jane
Death Notice AU and NZ
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3588574?searchTerm=Drummond+MacPherson
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
My Gosh - by 8 October 1894, a week after he died - they were Auctioning off his stuff (5th Column along, quite a way down)
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13971430?searchTerm=%22Drummond+MacPherson%22
Loads of mentions in the Aussie papers site, including marriages of his daughters etc. One of the daughters was named Kate Malcom MacPHERSON (his youngest). He was often referred to as J. Drummond MacMcPHERSON, sometimes justr as Drummond.
I saw the very nice Obit for your John in Papers Past - he was obviously very well thought of.
I came across this - a photo entitled "Portrait of John MacPherson's two daughters"
http://find.natlib.govt.nz/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?vid=TF&docId=nlnz_tapuhi204871
Wondered if they could they be your John's?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi there Amberly I am new to this research business and can't find the obit for John on the Past Pages. Could you tell me how to get it?
On looking properly at the Indian war discharge I find that John was mustered into the service of the State of California in October 58 and was honouraly discharged on 4 April 59 so only spent eight months as a ranger.
I would expect that he sailed from here to either Australia or NZ perhaps following James as he definately was owner in the Bay of Plenty of two boats the Bella and the Brunette between 1870 and 1875
Re the two daughters. I can't be sure - John had 6 daughters and two sons
Mary, Christina, Elizabeth, Jane, John, Catherine, Hugh and Isobel Jane was married in 1885 to my grandfather Harry William Burt
Many thanks for your help so far Moerangi
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Hi Moerangi
This is the link to his obituary in BoP Times:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09ef/
Cheers
AMBLY
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Kia Ora Moerangi. great to see another family member searching. I have been doing this now for about 6 years off and on and still im no where.
John and mariana are my GG GrandParents, i come down the line of John
Have photos of John, James , johns mother etc
went to a tangi several years ago at matata and went to awakaponga cemertery, so sad to see all the burt family and names i used to hear the old people talk about.
Hope to hear from you soon
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Dear LCR
Great to hear from you I gather like me you are in NZ I am one of those that you spoke of in your bit and am the grand daughter of Jane MacPherson.
I have just started to find out about John but it is a hard job though Ambly has been very helpful with a start.
I gather that there is someway that we can exchange emails or telephone messages but I am not sure how to do that Do you Know and would you be interested?
Looking forward to a reply Moerangi
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Hi moerangi
Thanks for the email. yes im living in the Bay of Plenty I do note there is a private message facility although "New members must make at least three postings before being allowed to use the PM facility."
I am looking forward to emailing and talking to you. and sharing information together.
Did you attend the macpherson reunion several years ago at rotorua
as soon as i have done more postings i will give you my email / phone etc
Cheers LCR
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Sounds great I have a feeling we might be related more closely and will look forward to further contact.
Regards Moerangi
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cheers Moerangi
looking forward to hearing from you 2
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Hi, This is the first time I have used rootschat. I found old chat messages which mention John MacPherson. I am a great grandchild of John MacPherson and Jane. Was hoping to get a bit more information. I live in Tauranga and noticed that you lived in the Bay of Plenty. Would love to see photos if you have them. Perhaps I have information that might be useful to you. Look forward to your reply.
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with greetings from Christchurch to Moerangi, LCR and AJC.
I am researching a circa 1879 photograph in the collection of National Library of NZ, titled 'Portrait of John MacPherson's two daughters (http://Portrait of John MacPherson's two daughters)'
Through research I have identified the girls as sisters, daughters of John Drummond Macpherson (1833-1887) and Miriana Te Oha (or Mariana Macpherson) (1852-1931). There are two other photographs of the sisters, taken in 1879 with their Macpherson cousins in Christchurch - the three photos can be seen at
https://canterburyphotography.blogspot.co.nz/2008/09/nelson-k-cherrill-christchurch.html
I have information that I would be pleased to share about these families and do hope (with your help) to be able to identify the two sisters, who are either:
Jane [Heni Tuia] and Elizabeth Macpherson
OR
Elizabeth and Christina Macpherson
It would be excellent if you were able to make contact. Please email Ken, care of email address found at:
https://christchurchartgallery.org.nz/about/contact
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Hi,
I am the great great granddaughter of John MacPherson and Mariana MacPherson, their son John Koa MacPherson (my great grandfather) is Christina Macpherson's brother.
I did find a newspaper clipping from papers past, Bay of Plenty Times, Volume XV, Issue 2280, 14 May 1888, where Christina Macpherson is applying for a publicans accomadation for a house in Matata, called the Horse Shoe Inn.
Matata is where John resided before he died in 1887.
jennifer71
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Hello
I am descended from Isabella Mcpherson, the daughter of Jane Drumond and John Mcpherson (married 08/09/1828 Campbeltown). Ambly has listed the 1841 census but Isabella is not showing, can anyone help with where she is then please ?. The previous posts are very interesting , I wasn't aware John Mcpherson was an excise man, and wondered why he moved from Campbeltown to Greenock but I suppose he would have moved with the job.
I would be grateful for any further info on Jane and John, there is a birth listed on the index on Scotlands people for Jane Drummond B 16/11/1800 Methven Perth(father listed as James) but not sure if this is her or not
Thanks
Andrea
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She doesn't appear on the SP Index either.
Quite possibly just missed?
Had a look at others & don't see her with Drummond g/parents but I haven't done an extensive search, I only looked at freecen.org.uk
Annie
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thank you for looking Annie
Andrea
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Kia ora my name is Te Aumihi Mapherson I come across your conversation as I was also looking for information on my gg.grandparents Mariana Te Oha and and John Macpherson...my g.grandparents are John Koa Macherson who married Rangikahiwa Macpherson(nee Marino) they had 9 kids. The youngest was my grandfarther Frank Macpherson.my father's name is Lance Marino John Macherson...ive just red these conversations to my parents who might be able to help with a few things... My dad says our kuia Mariana Te Oha was born on an island here in Rotorua called Mokoia island (Te motu tapu A Tinirau )..we also attended the Macpherson reunion a few years back and met a lot of family 😊 looking forward to hearing from you all
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Tena ra koe Te Aumihi. Your koro, Uncle frank and my koro Hugh are brothers. give my regards to Lance haven't seen him for a while. and to the rest of the whanau.you were very little when I last saw you when I used to visit aunty Mabel
enjoy your time with whanau searching Te Aumihi
arohanui
Latham Rodgers
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Hi Te Tarata
I was very excited to come across your message re the circa 1879 photograph in the collection of National Library of NZ, titled 'Portrait of John MacPherson's two daughters'
Elizabeth Macpherson is my great grandmother and I'd love any information and photos I can get about her.
I will contact the art gallery as you suggest.
I'm also very interested in finding out more about Elizabeth's husband my great grandfather George Pratt
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Tena koe.
John macpherson is my great grandfather. I remember your grandfather Claude Pratt visiting my mother several times in 70s and 80s just before he died.
Wonderful photo of Elizabeth, such a pity she died so young. I have visited her grave in Gisborne. I have some information in regards to George Pratt who was a Maori interpreter in Gisborne than in Wanganui where he died
Much regards
LCR