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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Dazey999 on Tuesday 03 August 10 22:04 BST (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can help me with this one please.
My gg-grandfather was Charles Barnett. He married Rachel Harvey in 1852 in Norbiton. In the 1861 census they are in Croydon, Surrey, and he's recorded as having been born c.1805 "board of apollo frigate - at sea?"
He was an excavator and I'm sure I've found him in 1851 in Surbiton, Surrey boarding at an Inn at "Seething Wells" which at the time was the site of a new waterworks.
His marriage certificate (1852) gives his age as 34..so born 1818. I know his age looks like 13 - but I'm hoping that's a mistake. Can anyone make out his place of birth please? The Apollo was built at Portsmouth and I think his father (James) would have been working on it in dock - rather than a crew member..but who knows!! Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance - Dazey
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54 or 56...........Sutton!
snaptoo
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54 or 56...........Sutton?
snaptoo
Sorry! seem to have managed to post it twice!!!!!!!!
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23 (so still ten years out); and Hants, Sutton (there is a Bishops Sutton and a Long Sutton in Hampshire).
There's a 20-24 year old Chas Barnett, labourer, in Croydon born out of county who may be your man (HO107/1078)
Richard
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There was no HMS Apollo at sea in 1805. The last of that name had sunk on the Spanish coast in 1804. Another, the fifth of that name, was built but had not been launched by 1805 as far as records show. I doubt if a pregnant woman would have been on a shake-down cruise. In 1806 it was operating off the coast of Italy.
There was always an Apollo since it was a class of frigate.
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Hi Dazey,
Can you please provide the reference for the 1851 census entry? I can't find it :-\
Cheers
Prue
Added: found it - HO107/1603/390/54 :)
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I have to say the name does not look like "Barnett" to me - more like "Barrett". The age is definitely written as "13". He is an excavator at the water works, and birthplace is definitely Hants (Hampshire). However, the first letter of the placename is hard to make out. The writing on the page is very nice and clear, and the letter doesn't match with any other "S" on the page.
It would make sense for it to be "Sutton" as according to the Genuki gazetteer, there are only two place names in Hampshire ending in "-utton": Bishop Sutton and Long Sutton :)
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Hi,
There's a district in Portsmouth, Hampshire called 'Fratton'. It's very near to the docks. It's another possibility.
Sue
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I would say Hants but difficult to decipher the other bit.
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This particular Charles Barnett is recorded as died in
Not, Graz-Umgebung, Styria, Austria in 1868. Agr 63. What on earth took him there at that age?
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Firstly..thank you ALL for you input and help. I must admit that I was guessing at Fratton (nr Portsmouth) but Bishop Sutton & Long Sutton are certainly worth investigating - thanks so much.
I have no idea where he went to after the 1861 census...have never been able to find a death for him and by 1871 his wife & children were 'lodging' with another man in Croydon! I don't think he was born 'at sea' but someone must have told him the story of him having been born on the Apollo - I can only guess his dad was working on building the new one (1804)...but who knows!
Died in Austria???? Where on earth did that come from, Hackstaple?? That's a new one on me, but nothing would surprise me about him!! Thanks again to one and all - Dazey
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1805
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Birth
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1848
Age: 43
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Marriage to Rachel Harvey
, , , England
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1865
Age: 60
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Death
Not, Graz-Umgebung, Styria, Austria
From the private member tree of Glyn Lewis on Ancestry.
Also on that tree summary there are children:
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o Emily Barnett
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o Birth
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+ 13 December 1853
+ in Norwood, Surrey, , England
o Death
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+ 25 April 1930
+ in Mayday, Surrey, , England
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1855
22 Sep
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Birth
Croydon, Surrey, , England
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1927
24 Jun
Age: 71
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Death
Croydon, Surrey, , England
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+ William Barnett
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+ Birth
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# 11 November 1857
# in Croydon, Surrey, , England
+ Death
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# 9 August 1927
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* Harriet Barnett
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* Birth
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o 1860
o in Croydon, Surrey, , England
* Death
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o 13 December 1933
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* James Barnett
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* Birth
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o 20 January 1862
o in Croydon, Surrey, , England
* Death
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o 22 May 1934
o in Coulsdon, Surrey, , England
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* Ellen Barnett
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* Birth
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o 21 January 1863
o in Croydon, Surrey, , England
* Death
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o 21 July 1887
o in Croydon, Surrey, , England
This may all be nonsense but they are linked on that tree to Charles Barnett b on the Apollo.
Sorry it is an ugly cut and paste job - best I can do working this way.
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Hackstaple - that's really good of you, thanks v. much indeed. William was my g-grandfather, so I'll try contacting Glyn to see where he got the info from. I can't help thinking it's an error - but, heh, who knows!! Thanks once again - Dazey