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Hi
I just discovered that my Uncle Colin was related to John William Glover, composer of "Moore's Irish Melodies" in 1859. John was born on 19Th June 1815 and died 18Th Dec 1899 in Dublin. I believed he never left Dublin.
Uncle Colin's grandmother Winifred Marion Theresa Glover was brought up by her grandfather Robert Edwards.
Winifred's parents were William Ferdinand Glover and Marion Edwards, William was an musican and he married Marion Edwards in Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
William and Marion been travelling around in UK, worked in theatres and they finally ended up in USA and settled there in Minnesota in 1894. I just discovered Marion and William had 3 children (Winifred was one of them) but I cant find two children. William and Marion left 3 children behind in England and settled in USA.
I would appreciate any help on the Glover family, whereabout they were born as William was also born in Dublin in Sept 1849. Did William have any siblings and who was John William Glover's wife? Any info on Glovers relating to Prof. John. W. Glover? I tried to find but I have hit the brickwall.
Kind Regards
Kerry Miller
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Hello,
have you seen this site?
http://www.archive.org/details/jimmygloverhisbo00glovuoft
best wishes
heywood
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Hi,
Possible in 1881 census
Visitors at 23 Adelaide St, Stranton, Durham
William Glover head married 31 Musician Dublin
Marian " wife " 26 Actress London
Robert " son 1 London
Rg11/4909 123/12
Same ? family appears in 1891 , Winifred there but no Robert .
Cathy
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Hi Cathy
Yes thats the same family. I have checked, Robert was with his parents and Winifred was with her grandfather (Marion's father) in that same year in 1891.
So now its two children Robert and Winifred. One more child missing. In 1900 USA census it is stated that William and Marion had 3 children and they are "living" William and Marion left England in 1894 and settled in Minnisota, USA then after that they just disppeared again.
Hi Heywood,
Yes I have read "Jimmy Glover's book" it didnt give out much information on his family :( Jimmy mentioned William Ferdinand Glover once in it and never said he was a brother or anything like that. He mentioned his father was John W. Glover being well known musican in Dublin. So I had to assume William and Jimmy were brothers?
I tried to google up on John Glover but to my surprise not alot of information about John despite he was being an famous composer ??? how strange!
Thanks so much for your help
Best wishes
Kerry
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Didn't Thomas Moore write the songs?
http://www.antiqbook.co.uk/boox/bailga/201-2333.shtml
It looks as though John Glover was an editor
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Hi Heywood,
Yeah thank you!
I better check out this Jimmy Glover, apparently he was all over the world especially to Paris due to his job being an musican. He said his two aunts were also musicans. Its real shame he didnt talk much in details about his family in his book :(
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Just discovered William Ferdinand Glover's son Robert Ferdinand William Glover! Robert was born in Newington, London, England! YAY!
Now one more child is missing!
Winifred Marion Thersea Glover born 1877 in Norwich
Robert Ferdinand William Glover born 1880 in London
a child would be the youngest that being missing?
Kerry
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Hello Kerry,
this is what i know of your GLOVERs .....
John William GLOVER (1815-1899) was a music teacher, lecturer, and organist at the Pro Cathedral, Dublin, and the Editor of Moore's Irish Aires. He married Catherine WADE (no date), they had children, Ferdinand, Lena, Emilie, Mary (she married James MACKAY), and William Frederick (he married Marion EDWARDS). The famous James M (Jimmy) GLOVER of Drury Lane Theatre was the son of Mary GLOVER & James MACKAY. Marion GLOVER nee EDWARDS was last heard of in Chicago circa 1911 and William Frederick GLOVER died in America or Hawaii circa 1913.
I hope this advances your research somewhat. Good luck.
Robert GLOVER, Australia (no known relationship to the above family)
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Hi Robert,
Thanks so much for your info on my Glovers.
Yes have their children, just discovered the eldest son Ferdinand died at age of 23 years old. And Lena was short for Madeline. And its William Ferdinand not Frederick. Yes he died in 1917 in New York, USA. Still cant find his wife Marion nee Edwards' death. Emilie died in New York. Madeline died in Southampton, England. I have their newspapers clippings. There's another daughter Elizabeth, she died in New York, USA.
Do you know anymore about a daughter Mary who married James Mackay? I already know about Jimmy. His book mentioned a brother. Do you know any info about his brother?
I have a Mary Jane Mackay and she had 2 children who were born after Jimmy. I dont know if she was the same Mary.
Thank you so much for your info, it helped!
Best Wishes
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
James Mackay aka Jimmy GLOVER of Drury Lane fame had on older brother named Michael, a musician, and a younger sister named Mary, a Harpist i have no dates......
The 3 children of William Frederick** & Marion Edwards were....
Winifred Marion 1877-1973
Catherine 1878-196?
Robert Ferdinand 1879-1970
How are you connected with these GLOVERs ..... as for me mine is tenuous - Jimmy GLOVER discussed in his book a famous at he time theatre fire in Dublin wherein the manager Henry EGERTON perished and JMG goes onto mention that Henry's wife was a distant relation. Henry or EGERTON's wife, Georgiana was my gt grandfathers sister.
I have found no connection yet nor have i found JWG's parents
Robert
** you have him as Frederick but my source has him as Ferdinand
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Hi Kerry,
Do you have an image of JWG if not i've attached one for you.
Robert
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Hi Robert,
That's really fantastic!! thanks so much for the picture of JWG!! Its really amazing!!! It is really lovely to see the names to go with face!
Right, I better put ALL of the info I have got on the Glover family.
John William and his wife Catherine nee Wade.
Their children in the order (so far as I know)
Ferdinand Glover (B1836 Dublin. died in the Hall in Dublin on 22 April 1859)
Elizabeth Glover (B1840 Dublin, died in New York, 30 Dec 1910) she was married to Daniel O'Sullivan and had 6 children (all children born in Missouri, USA and moved to New York, USA) Two of their daughters were opera or choir singers.
Mary Glover (birthyear unknown in Dublin) married James Mackay. had two sons Jimmy and now you have given another son's name Michael. Mary's husband James disappeared after he got out of prison? in Jimmy's book, his father was exiled to Jersey? Mary's death is unknown same goes for her husband James.
Madeline Glover known as Lina or Lena (B1847 Dublin died sept 1929 in London, England) she was married to Arthur William Gedge and had no children. Her husband died in Southampton.England. He had the will and left the money to his niece Catherine Glover, who was the daughter of William Ferdinand Glover.
Emilie Glover (B1848 died in New York on 1 Oct 1917) She married Samuel Grey in England. no children
William Ferdinand Glover (B1851 Dublin, Died 28th Oct 1917 New York, USA. He died of pneumonia. He married Marion Edwards. They had 3 children: Winifred Marion Theresa Glover, Robert Ferdinand Glover and Catherine Lilian Gladys Glover.
Winifred Glover was the one that I am related to by marriage as she was married to Thomas Marley Wood, they had 3 sons. One of their sons David Earle Wood had a son Colin Voce Wood who is my uncle.
My Uncle Colin was Prof. J.W Glover's Great Great Grandson.
My Uncle Colin doesn't know anything about this family, my aunt, his wife asked me to research his family tree and I told her what I have found and she asked me to do the book for my Uncle for Christmas this year as a surprise!
You mentioned the book Jimmy did, was that called "Jimmy and his friends"? Jimmy mentioned first wife, who was she? she died didn't she? then Jimmy married again to Kathleen Collins? Jimmy mentioned a son from 1st marriage?
You have made my day, I think its brilliant to see the picture of JWG. Its really wonderful! thanks so much!
Jimmy's brother Michael was an musician too? what did he do? where was he? did Michael have Ferdinand as in his middle name? I will try to find Michael and his sister Mary.
Jimmy mentioned two aunts? they were musicians too weren't they?
Thank you so much you have been brilliant help!
Best Wishes
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
You never asked where i got my information from - well it is quite close to you - study the attachments...
onebob
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Hello, While clearing out my late Aunt's house I came across a copy of Moore's Melodies edited by John William Glover c.1859. The 1901 Irish Census has a Maria Glover, Widow, aged 82 living in Dublin, you can access the website on www.nationalarchives.ie. I am currently doing researching my own tree and will try to get a copy of John Williams death certificate and forward it to you. Good luck with your research.
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Hi,
I got the following info on www.irishgenealogy.ie
John William Glover married Catherine Matilda Wade 28th April 1832 in St. Mary's Pro Cathedral Dublin
There is also the baptism of a John Glover on 27th June 1813 in St. Michael & John's Church Dublin - Parents Thomas Glover and Teresa Wade (possibly the John that you are looking for ??)
If you think this may be him I also saw a sister called Teresa !
Magdalene Catherine Glover was baptised 12th January 1847 in St. Mary's Pro Cathedral Dublin
William Frederick Glover was baptised 30th September 1849 in St. Mary's Pro Cathedral Dublin
Eliza Glover was baptised 25th January 1833 in St. Mary's Pro Cathedral Dublin
Emilia Teresa Glover was baptised 22nd September 1848 in Rathmines Church Dublin
Mary Jane Glover married James Mackey 23rd July 1860 in St. Andrew's Church Dublin
James John Mackey was baptised 18th June 1861 St. Mary's Pro Cathedral Dublin
Michael John Mackey was baptised 4th July 1862 St. Mary's Pro Cathedral Dublin
(William and Magdalena Glover were godparents at this christening)
Hope this is of some use
Tara