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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: AlexanderFields on Tuesday 03 August 10 08:14 BST (UK)
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I would appreciate help, please, in establishing the birth/baptism dates of John Mayhew and his wife, Emma (Wyatt), and Emma's burial details. I think they were both born at Great Oakley, Essex, John in 1830 and Emma in 1838. They married in 1860 (I don't yet know where) and seem to have spent their entire married lives at Moze Cross, Beaumont. John died in 1914, aged 84, and Emma in 1930, aged 92. John was buried in Beaumont St Leonard's churchyard on October 14, 1914. Was Emma buried there, too, or at Great Oakley, and when? Unfortunately I can't get to Essex RO to find out.
It would seem that Emma's birth info should be discoverable via the usual generally available sources, but I haven't been able to find it. John's birth, being pre-1837, must lurk in pre-Civil Registration territory, into which I haven't yet ventured deeply. Presumably it yields entries in parish registers only, and there's no documentation to be had? Please forgive and excuse my ignorance and naivety on this subject. I am pretty well a beginner at this fascinating pursuit. But I am learning!
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Hi Alexander,
Marriage;
John MAYHEW
Emma WYATT, June 1860, Tendring, 4a 315
Now the Cert will provide Fathers names and occp.
In the meantime I will see if I can find anything to save you from purchasing it.
Trish :)
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Do you have Census entries?
1861 census they have a Mary Mayhew, 72, Widow, with them. She is described as Mother in Law but more likely to be Johns Mother.
Possible Census;
1841 Census
Oakley End,
Beaumont cum Moze, Essex
HO107/338/3/Beaumont
Joseph MAYHEW, 45, Ag Lab, NOT born in County
Mary Mayhew, 46
Joseph Mayhew, 12
JOHN Mayhew, 10
All others born in County
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1851 Census
Beaumont, Essex
HO107/1779/381/28
Joseph MAYHEW, 54, Head, Mar, Ag lab, born Suffolk, Cople
Mary, 57, Wife, Mar, born Wix
Joseph, 22, Son, Unm, Ag lab, born Essex, Great Oakley
JOHN, 20, Son, Unm, Ag lab, born Essex, Gt Oakley
Although by 1861 census Mary has aged a little more she is born Wix, Essex
1861 Census
RG9/1093/105/20
John MAYHEW, 30, Head, Mar, Ag lab, born Gt Oakley
Emma, 22, Wife, Mar, born Gt Oakley
Mary Ann, 9mths, Daug, born Beaumont
Mary Mayhew, 72, Mother in Law, Widow, born Wix, Essex
Trish :)
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The only Emma WYATT Birth Reg I can find is ;
Emma WYATT, September 1841, Braintree, 12 27
It doesnt seem to work with anything unless her Parents were not married when the Children were born?
1841 Census
Great Oakley, Essex
HO107/338/21/Great Oakley
George WYATT, 29, Ag lab
Sarah, 25
Ellen, 5
EMMA, 2
All born in County
By 1851 Emma has extra siblings;
James 1843
Herbert 1846
Anna 1849
1861 EMMA is not at home so looks like she the right one married John Mayhew.
Extra Siblings born;
Alfred G 1852
Zahariah 1854
Isaac 1858
Charlotte 5mths
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With my resources I cannot find any Christenings/Births or Marriages as there is nothing on IGI, Pilot or FreeREG.
Hopefully someone with access to Parish Records will continue with what I have found ;)
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All Saints Gt. Oakley
Bap. 23 Feb. 1831 John son of Joesph and Mary MAHEW sic. labourer
Strangely there is no baptism for Ellen or Emma WYATT although there is for James and Herbert, half way down the relevant page an entry had been left blank except for the name of the cleric and NB, but there is no indication of what the note was.
John and Emma were not married in Gt. Oakley.
Jebber
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A little more to note.
Emma's parents George WYATT and Sarah SMITH were married at Gt. Oakley.
21 Feb. 1836 after Banns, both made their X.
The witnesses were John STARLING and Mary FROST her X.
Jebber
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Thank you, Trish and Jebber, for all that information. I am grateful to you both. A lot to consider there. Some of the census entries and all of the parish records are new to me.
I did know about the John/Emma wedding index reference and will send for the certificate. As John and Emma were not married at Great Oakley, it's possible they were wed at St Leonard's, Beaumont.
Otherwise, it seems that Emma will continue to elude me. It's odd that there's no record of her baptism, and even odder that there's a blank entry that might, just might, refer to her and her sister Ellen. How intriguing is that NB and how satisfying it would be to discover what it said!
Could it be that they were baptised at Beaumont?
Oh, and re. John's baptism, was his father's name really recorded as Joesph, or is that one of those typist's hiccups that I sometimes suffer?
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John's father was definitely Joseph in the PR's, I have double checked, he is also Joseph in all the census returns.
Jebber
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Good luck and let us know the outcome of the M/Cert :)
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Will do, Trish.
In the meantime, is there anyone with access to the parish records of St Leonard's, Beaumont, who would be kind enough to try and find out
(a) if Emma Wyatt was baptised there c 1838, rather than at Great Oakley, and
(b) if she was buried there in 1930, as her husband was in 1914.
I'm still puzzled that Emma's birth cannot apparently be found in the GRO index, although, as I understand it ,she was born after registration became compulsory (in 1837?). Perhaps she was one of those whose arrival in this world simply was not registered. But, as she lived until 1930, you'd think she'd have required documentary evidence of her existence at some stage in her long life!
Regards to all from AF
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Although registration began in 1837, it was up to the Registrar to go out and collect the information, it was not until 1875 that the onus switched to the parents, with omission punishable by a fine. many births went unregistered in those early years.
Neither my great-grandmother or any of her five siblings were registered, they were born between 1846 and 1863, I have had to rely on the Gt. Oakley PR's and their baptisms details for their birth information.
Jebber
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Thanks, Jebber, for furthering my education on the subject of Family History. AF