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Title: Which pub was here?
Post by: Trees on Sunday 01 August 10 09:16 BST (UK)
Does any one know the name of the pub that was at 52 liverpool Rd Eccleston St Helens please
it was kept by william Kay in 1871 and his widow mary in 1881. I would like to find something about its history I can find several closed pubs and inns in Liverpool Rd but this address should pin point the house
Many thanks and Cheers
rees
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Trees on Monday 02 August 10 10:40 BST (UK)
Using G...le Street View it looks like the pub should have been under the trunk Road shame Has anyone an  idea how I will fins what it's name was? I don't see them in Historic Directories Can anyone find them in An...y directories please?
Trees  thirsty for information on this one  ;D
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Bilge on Monday 02 August 10 10:52 BST (UK)
Could this be the place?

6 Ibid, 1891 Census (PRO: RG12/3022) Bridge Hotel, Liverpool Road, Eccleston, St Helens, Lancashire.
John G Hargreaves, Head, Married, 34 yrs, Licenced Victualer, born: Liverpool, Lancashire
Jane Hargreaves, Wife, Married, 33 yrs, born: Beaumaris, Anglesea
Annie Hargreaves, Daughter, 8 yrs, Scholar, born: Beaumaris, Anglesea
Richard Hargreaves, Son, 6 yrs, Scholar, born: Beaumaris, Anglesea
Dilys Gwendoline Hargreaves, Daughter, 2yrs, born: St Helens, Lancashire
John P Jones, Nephew, 16 yrs, Painter, born: Liverpool, Lancashire
Margaret Jones, Neice, 15 yrs, born: Kidsgrove, Yorkshire
Amy Oakes, Servant, 21 yrs, General Servant, born: St Helens, Lancashire
Mary McMon... ?, Servant, 20 yrs?, General Servant born: St Helens, Lancashire.
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Woody32 on Monday 02 August 10 10:59 BST (UK)
looking at the 1851 census No. 52 could be the star Inn...

rg9 2750
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Trees on Monday 02 August 10 11:02 BST (UK)
I wonder Mary Kay was a publican in 1881 but re married in 1884 she is with her new husband a Chemical labourer at 4 Stanley Cottages Black Brook in 1891 so she had left the premises now if I can find out how long Mr Hargreaves was there that would be a good indicator that his was the right pub Many thanks
Woody  brilliant what was the ref for that 1851 please
Trees
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Woody32 on Monday 02 August 10 11:27 BST (UK)
RG 9 2750
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Trees on Monday 02 August 10 11:52 BST (UK)
I need the fo and p number please  :)
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Woody32 on Monday 02 August 10 12:39 BST (UK)
 Sorry...RG9 Piece 2750 Folio 84
Title: Re: Which pub was at 253 regent Street Kirkdale Liverpool in 1850's and 1860's
Post by: SPlumb1 on Tuesday 03 August 10 16:48 BST (UK)
Hi can anyone help me with the name of a pub at 253 Regent Street Kirkdale Liverpool in the 1860's. Publican was a Joseph Mulvey. He had another address further down Regent Street and both he and his family are noted at both addresses in 1861 census (RG9 2720 district 59 page 46 IS THE FIRST ONE, I'd have to refind the second one)

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Trees on Tuesday 03 August 10 21:50 BST (UK)

Welcome to Rootschat SPlumb1  I have asked on the Liverpool forum for you along with a plea for information about the star i'll let you know if any answers come through :)
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Trees on Wednesday 04 August 10 10:58 BST (UK)
I had a reply about your pub on the Liverpool forum nothing about mine
"According to Kelly's Directory of 1860 Regent Road 253 didn't exist, the street shows less than 80, although it might have expanded later on. I can't find any trace of Joseph Mulvey as a publican also.
Best wishes,
Chas"

Sorry not very helpful but I tried
May be e mailing the local library would be an idea for both of us
good luck finding it
Trees
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: SPlumb1 on Wednesday 04 August 10 17:33 BST (UK)
thank you so much for trying Trees. Really appreiate it. I saw that Regent Road is an extension of waterloo and runs parallel the shore line. There is a smaller street off Waterloo part of the road called Regent street which is parallel to Porter Street. It's odd we can't find 253 but who knows, maybe a transcription error?

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: liverbird09 on Wednesday 04 August 10 21:56 BST (UK)
Hi SPlumb1 & welcome
I have just checked the census, Joseph Mulvey publican lived on Regent Road kirkdale L'Pool. 253 was the schedule No. not the house No. There is a photo of The Atlantic pub Regent Road on Flickr?  :-\
Good Luck with your search
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Trees on Wednesday 04 August 10 22:45 BST (UK)
Well spotted that often catches folk out fo there you go one myftery soved and one happy chatter Now can anyone tell be some thing about The StAR please
Trees
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: liverbird09 on Thursday 05 August 10 13:22 BST (UK)
Hi Trees
if you haven't already done so, take a look at Old Mersey times site and search St helens pubs.. transfer of licenses...It only covers the 1890's unfortunately but features the Star Hotel, amongst others... I couldn't spot any of the names you mention but you might.
I have an ancestor in Chester who was a publican on a census but in the trade directory she was listed as a beerseller..a lot of folk turned their homes into inns..worth bearing in mind during your search I guess. ;)
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Trees on Thursday 05 August 10 13:37 BST (UK)
Many thanks for that I have not found that site before looks like it will be useful
Shame it doesn't go back to my lot but i like to find out about the pubs they were at in general Its such a shame so many have disappeared with out trace. Pubs were very important places and often the center of the communities life
Cheers
Trees
Title: Re: Which pub was here?
Post by: Trees on Friday 06 August 10 13:41 BST (UK)
I am told the Atlantic was about  No. 160 so little by little we are finding that one
trees