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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Evelina on Saturday 31 July 10 11:19 BST (UK)
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McClure/McLure - Old Monkland. The spelling changed with various branches of the family starting with John McClure and his first wife Sarah Collins, their 5 children, then his 2nd wife Mary McMillan and their 11 children.
John born c 1812 wigtownshire died 1880 Old Monkland, he appears to have moved to the area for work from at least 1842 although he flitted back and forward to Kilwinning for a while.
1st wife Sarah Collins, details unknown, died poss before 1851 not on census, no trace John or Sarah 1841 census.
Children Alexander c 1836 Muirkirk - 1909 Airdrie;
David c1939 Muirkirk - 1912 Coatbridge (my direct relative);
Helen c 1842 Old Monkland - 1903 Coatbridge, married name 1st Hannah then 2nd Morgan;
John c 1844 Bothwell - 1915 Kilmarnock; He used the McLure spelling.
Agnes c1846 Old Monkland - unknown.
I have info on the above children and their marriages and their families except Agnes but I am always looking to fill in any gaps so if you are related please contact me. I am also happy to pass on any info I have.
I also have a lot of info on John's 2nd set of children with Mary. James 1854, Thomas 1855, Agnes 1857, Robert 1860, Mary 1862, Ann 1865, Margaret 1867, Jane 1869, Jemima 1872, Issac 1874 & Robert 1875.
Thomas, 1st Robert & Mary born Kilwinning rest of family Old Monkland. Cheers Evelina
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McClure/McLure - Old Monkland. The spelling changed with various branches of the family starting with John McClure and his first wife Sarah Collins, their 5 children, then his 2nd wife Mary McMillan and their 11 children.
John born c 1812 wigtownshire died 1880 Old Monkland, he appears to have moved to the area for work from at least 1842 although he flitted back and forward to Kilwinning for a while.
1st wife Sarah Collins, details unknown, died poss before 1851 not on census, no trace John or Sarah 1841 census.
Children Alexander c 1836 Muirkirk - 1909 Airdrie;
David c1939 Muirkirk - 1912 Coatbridge (my direct relative);
Helen c 1842 Old Monkland - 1903 Coatbridge, married name 1st Hannah then 2nd Morgan;
John c 1844 Bothwell - 1915 Kilmarnock; He used the McLure spelling.
Agnes c1846 Old Monkland - unknown.
I have info on the above children and their marriages and their families except Agnes but I am always looking to fill in any gaps so if you are related please contact me. I am also happy to pass on any info I have.
I also have a lot of info on John's 2nd set of children with Mary. James 1854, Thomas 1855, Agnes 1857, Robert 1860, Mary 1862, Ann 1865, Margaret 1867, Jane 1869, Jemima 1872, Issac 1874 & Robert 1875.
Thomas, 1st Robert & Mary born Kilwinning rest of family Old Monkland. Cheers Evelina
Hi! I have just started my family tree but have a McClure branch I am working on from my dad's side. I am originally from Manchester, UK, and dad's side of family has McClure's.
So far I have:
Hugh McClure, born 1776, Kirkowan, Wigtonshire
Wife, Alicia, born 1772 - town?
Son, John, Born in 1817, Ayr
His son, Alexander, born 1836, Kirkmichael, Ayrshire
On 1851 census John is shown as widower with son Alexander 15, David 12, and John age 6. And they are all listed as born in Ayr - this throwing me off, not sure if this is a different branch?
Alexander's son, James born 1860
James's daughter, Lavinia, born 1880 - she was my grandmother
I have seen many American threads referencing a David McClure who emigrated. And it appears this branch is not my direct line. Again, I am not American, I am Brit born. I need to do more work on the above as I feel I may have some errors as I am new to this and don't have much time to devote to it, and sometimes a couple of weeks pass before I get back to it. I am afraid I might be making errors.
Do you think we have common ancestors or simply some of the same names which were very common at that time?
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Hi USAmaggie
Welcome to RootsChat :)
You and Evelina do seem to be following the same line up which is great news always. Just some details for now...
What is the source of dates for births for Hugh and wife Alice? Alice/Allice shows with surname Milnay/Milnae/Milney. Can't easily see her birth entry but there are a couple of Milnay families around the right time in Wigtownshire which could connect to her family.
A lot of details there from Evelina's info. Some other to add here. Other children for Hugh and Alice:
Margaret 1808 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY93-WXK
Anabella 1810 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY9S-FZ9
John 1812 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY9S-F8R... already mentioned.
Elizabeth 1822-91 (Died in Barr By Girvan, Ayr and married an Alexander Rowan, from someone's online tree).
1841 census for John and Sarah (Collins) which fits well with 1851 and John showing as a Furnace Keeper in Gartsherrie for that year:
John MCLURE 25 Furnace Assistant Keeper b Scotland
Sarah MCLURE 26 b. Scotland
Alexr MCLURE 6 b. Scotland
David MCLURE 2 b. Scotland
Daniel Gallon 24 Furnace Lab b. Ireland
Roseann Gallon 20 b. Ireland
Address: Carlincroft Square, Old Monkland Lanarkshire
Monica
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Monica - thank you! What jumped out at me straight away is your mention of (Alexander) Rowan. On two census entries for Hugh and Alice/Alicia I was stumped to see two young kids with last name of Rowan. I didn't know if they were visiting or? Until I found the 1841 census with Hugh and Alicia and this:
John Roan Male 7, born 1834 Scotland
Anne Roan Female, 3, born 1838 Scotland
Then, on the 1851 census John is the only Rowan, (now spelled this way) with Hugh and Alicia. Which other family tree did you find their dad on?
As for your question about source for birth dates for Hugh and Alice/Alicia - I can only use the census at this point as I have no birth records, working on it. But, I did find this from the Workington page of Roots Web which confirms Alice's maiden name you gave me:
McClure, Hugh 78y
Old Luce #18, Hugh McCLURE, , Pauper, formerly Farmer aged 78 years born Ballantrae Parish, lived Old Luce 10y. Parents were John McCLURE, Farmer deceased and Mary McCLURE maiden surname NIMMA deceased. Wed to 'Allice' MILNAE. Children were Marg't dead aged 9y in 1811. Annabella 42. John 40. Eliza 38. 'Margret' 35. Died Mar 21, 5:30am at Dampark, Old Luce of Influenza & Bronchitis duration about 3w. Certifieed by William McCORNACK, Surgeon who saw deceased 10 Mar. Buried Glenluce Churchyard , certified by John McKIE, Undertaker. Informant was John McCLURE, Son. Registered Mar 22 at Glenluce, John ROSS, Registrar.
Thank you so much for your reply! I hope that Evenlina sees this. It looks like she hasn't posted in some time.
maggie
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I found this source to look up Hugh's church birth records or baptism https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/23322?availability=Family%20History%20Library I will make time to check it out at my local library.
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As transcribed on a/try for 1841:
Hugh M Cline 65 farmer, b. Scotland
Alicia Cline 69
John Cline 25
John Roan 7 b. Scotland
Anne Roan 3 b. Scotland
James Thompson 22 agr. lab.
Address: Boreland, Kirkcowan Wigtownshire
From 1851:
Hugh Mcclure 74, formerly labourer b. Ballantrae, Ayrshire
Alice Mcclure 78 b. Portpatrick, Wigtown
John Mcclure 37 son, unmarried, spaver b. New Luce, Wigtown
John Rowan 15 relative b. Colmonell, Ayrshire
Elizabeth McNellie 69 visitor sewer b. New Luce, Wigtown
Address: Oldpark, Old Luce Wigtownshire
Ok...I have an issue now :-\ Can't have son John in two places at once can we...
Son of Hugh and Alice, John, shows as living with his parents in both 1841 and 1851...and unmarried.
Cannot be the same John who married Sarah Collins and shows with her and children in 1841 and then post her death, with children, in 1851 as a widower :-\ Has anyone viewed the death cert for John to check on parents' details?
Monica
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MCCLURE, John
Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date:31 Mar 1812
Recorded in: New Luce, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Father: Hugh MCCLURE
Mother: Allice MILNAY
Source: FHL Film 1068039
MCCLURE, Margaret
Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date:23 May 1808
Recorded in: New Luce, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Father: Hugh MCCLURE
Mother: Allice MILNAY
Source: FHL Film 1068039
MCCLURE, Anabella
Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date:7 Feb 1810
Christening Date:20 Feb 1810
Recorded in: New Luce, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Father: Hugh MCCLURE
Mother: Allice MILNEY
Source: FHL Film 1068039
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MCLURE, Helen Stevenson
Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date:20 Nov 1842
Christening Date:18 Dec 1842
Recorded in:Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Father: John MCLURE
Mother: Sarah COLLINS
Source: FHL Film 1066602
MCLURE, Agnes
Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date:11 Oct 1845
Christening Date:12 Jan 1846
Recorded in:Coatbridge, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Collection:Dunbeth, Relief Church
Father: John MCLURE
Mother: Sarah COLLINS
Source: FHL Film 889486
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Thank you for those, partoon_researcher :)
The problem I am having though is that I am not sure that the John McClure mentioned previously is the son of Hugh and Alice, thereby throwing into question this line as detailed here :-\
Guess the death cert of John McClure, husband of Sarah Collins, will be key for this.
Monica
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Its possibly the wrong line for evelina but I think its still what maggie is after
MCCLURE, Hugh
Christening
Gender: Male
Birth Date:2 Jul 1775
Christening Date:3 Jul 1775
Recorded in:Ballantrae, Ayrshire, Scotland
Father: John MCCLURE
Mother: Margaret NIMMO
Source: FHL Film 1041333
MCLURE, Ennaple
Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date:19 Sep 1766
Christening Date:5 Oct 1766
Recorded in:Colmonell, Ayrshire, Scotland
Father: John MCLURE
Mother: Margaret NIMMO
Source: FHL Film 1041335
MCCLURE, Margaret
Christening
Gender: Female
Birth Date:5 Feb 1768
Christening Date:24 Feb 1768
Recorded in:Colmonell, Ayrshire, Scotland
Father: John MCCLURE
Mother: Margaret NIMMO
Source: FHL Film 1041335
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The problem for Maggie (and Evelina too) is that they are both working off the line of a John Mc(C)Lure who married a Sarah Collins and then went on to remarry a Mary McMillan after Sarah Collins' death.
David McLure born c. 1839, son of John and Sarah (Collins) is Evelina's line.
Alexander McLure born c. 1836, son of John and Sarah (Collins) is Maggie's line.
~ and therein lies the problem with the info we have...I might though be missing some obvious links here!
Monica
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Wow - I certainly have lots to look at and figure out. Thanks to both of you for your help! I will let you know how it goes. I am going to order some birth certificates to cross references above info and what I have already gathered.
it's funny because I always thought my dad's side was Irish. Doing this search I learned his family had only been in Ireland a couple of years when he was born, and that they were from Cumberland. And his mom's family is the McClure's. So I started searching Belfast, then Cumberland and now Scotland! My head is spinning!
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It does go dizzy sometimes ::)
You can only work back stage at a time, verifying details as you go.
From what you said earlier:
Hi! I have just started my family tree but have a McClure branch I am working on from my dad's side. I am originally from Manchester, UK, and dad's side of family has McClure's.
So far I have:
Hugh McClure, born 1776, Kirkowan, Wigtonshire
Wife, Alicia, born 1772 - town?
Son, John, Born in 1817, Ayr
His son, Alexander, born 1836, Kirkmichael, Ayrshire
On 1851 census John is shown as widower with son Alexander 15, David 12, and John age 6. And they are all listed as born in Ayr - this throwing me off, not sure if this is a different branch?
Alexander's son, James born 1860
James's daughter, Lavinia, born 1880 - she was my grandmother
This is what you have to work with and back ;)
Monica
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Your Alexander McClure married Helen Fraser in 1859? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT1Z-35M
Their son James that you have mentioned was born in 1860? https://familysearch.org
/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQBH-GM9
A daughter Sarah in 1862 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQHN-8CM
Did they move away from Scotland after this year?
Monica
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Thank you! I previously had Hellen, but hadn't found my 2nd source to confirm her details. This stuff is SO addictive!
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The one person I am struggling to find anything at all on so far for you is Lavinia, your grandmother :-\ Can we discuss her dates and futher details?
This looks to be James at home still with parents on the 1881 census:
Alexander McLure 45 Traveller Serving Machiner b. Kirkmichael, Ayrshire
Hellen McLure 46 b. Gartsherrie
James McLure 20 coal miner b. Gartsherrie
Address: Colt Ter Clellands Buildings, Coatbridge, Old Monkland
Don't think Alexander had more children other than James and Sarah. Sarah, aged 8, shows in the household with parents and James in 1871 at North Square 210, Old Monkland.
And then 1891, I wondered if this was son James married to an Elizabeth. However, no sign of a Lavinia there :-\ :
James McLure 30 coal miner b. Coatbridge
Elizabeth McLure 26 b. Shettleston, Lanarkshire
Sarah McLure 5
Helen McLure 3
Elizabeth McLure 1
Address: 11 High Sunnyside, Coatbridge
Monica
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Still no sign of a Lavinia showing for James and Elizabeth in 1901:
James Mclure 40 coal miner
Lizzie Mclure 36
Sarah Mclure 11
Lizzie Mclure 11
Annie Mclure 7
Agnes Mclure 5
Janet Mclure 3
Christina Mclure 1
Address: 11 High Sunnyside, Coatbridge
There is no obvious birth entry showing either on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Monica
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Hi USAmaggie and MonicaL
Sorry not been on for a while, trying to catch up with this posting. Alexander c 1836 Kirkmichael died 1903 Airdrie and Helen fraser born 3/5/1834 Gartsherrie died 1887 Old Monklamd only had the 2 children I could find James Fraser McClure and Sarah McClure. James 1860-1942 and Sarah 1862 to 1921. James did indeed marry Elizabeth Henderson and they had at least10 children, 7 of whom died i the USA, one in Glasgow and the other 2 in Coatbridge. Cheers Evelina
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Sorry should have mentioned I have the dc of my John McClure/McLure and his parents are listed as Alexander McLure and Agnes McCulloch which is borne out by the names of his 1st son and 2nd daughter as per the Scottish naming patterns. Cheers Evelina
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Hi, My husband is descended from Alexander McLure(his grandfather), son of John Rankin McLure etc and I am gathering information on the preceding generations. Stuck on the John McLure who was married to Sarah Collins. Would be grateful for help on this?
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Hi Alice Thanks for getting in touch, I am descended form John Rankin McLure's brother David McClure, note the different spelling, many of our relatives use either McLure or McClure but its usually all the same family. I will send you a personal message, cheers Evelyn