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Hi
I found my gt grandpa but I cant seem to go past that his father and mother, I think I have tried most areas.
JOSEPH HENRY READMAN B: 26/11/1894 DURHAM D. 1973
I thought that was enough to get me going but obviously I am missing something, anyone have a suggestion?
Thankyou kindly
Shazjoy
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Hi Shazjoy
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Is his parents William and Jane Ann living Gateshead in 1901? Am I correct in thinking you are looking for his ancestors?
Evie
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thanks evie
this is where I am unsure, he married Emily May Winter but that is all I know! I am guessing that his parents are William and Jane and yes I am looking for his ancestors...
thank you for the quick response
Shazjoy
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Hi
It is very difficult to trace back without knowledge of the names of a parent. To make sure you would have to get a copy of Joseph's marriage certificate. Guisborough 9d 1371 June Q 1920. This would give us his father's name hopefully.
I also had a look for his birth registration and could only find Joseph Henry [Redman] registered Q1 1895 10a 903, Gateshead district. I suppose this was possible seeing his birth date was given as 26 Nov 1894 on his death record. I'm not sure back then, but I know one has 42 days to register a birth today.
Has your family spoken about any other names, i.e. his siblings that might help to confirm his parents were William and Jane Ann?
If you wish I can give you the 1901 census but we can't be sure yet this is your family
Evie
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I do have a copy of marriage, says father is William and witness was a William David , the address was Arthur Place Redcar, unfortunately I have only 2 of my family who i have trouble getting information, reluctant to help me out, this is when I decided to go solo. I know of one child Joseph has (living).
Shazjoy
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This is excellent news, plenty of confirmation in your reply.
Will type up 1901 tommorrow for you and then we can get going on your family.
Evie
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1901 Census
Living Burn Street, Gateshead
RG13, 4757, 43, 3
William (transcribed as Redmond), Head, 30, Redcar, Bricklayers labourer
Jane Ann, Wife, 28, Sunderland Gateshead
Joseph Henry, 6, Felling, Durham
William David, 4, Gateshead
Arthur, 2, Gateshead
John Dixon, 8 months, no place of birth given
I found a possible marriage for William Redman to Jane Anne Jackson 1894 Q3 Gateshead, 10a 1081
To be certain of her maiden name William David's birth registration would be useful
1896 Q3 Gateshead, 10a 951.
However if you specifically wanted Joseph's you could always specify that the parents had to be William and Jane Ann before they sent it to you.
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1891 Census
Living 5, Allerton Terrace, Coatham, Yorkshire
RG12, 4001, 62, 5
Joseph Readman, head, 53, Joiner, Marske by the Sea, Yorkshire
Mary, Wife, 49, Coatham, Yorkshire
William, Son, 20, Bricklayers Labourer, Coatham
Harry, Son, 14, Scholar, Coatham
Anne Thompson, Visitor, 12, Scholar, Newcastle
I must thank Posteria for pointing me in the direction of this census as I was having problems and was unaware that Coatham was an area of Redcar.
Possible marriage Joseph Readman to Mary Dixon 1861 Q1, Guisborough District, 9d 625
Mary's surname would tie in quite well with William's son, John Dixon Readman
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I am happy to go further back with the census if you wish, but I know some people like to look themselves - your call :)
I will have a look for Jane Ann's parents for you.
Evie
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wow that would have taken me ages to find that. I would be so appreciated with my schedule I can only get 15 minutes per day.
I think my problem is I am trying 4 different families at once and getting confused. I think I will just stick with Readman clan for now..... I will write all this information up and let it sink in....
Thankyou again....
shazjoy
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Please check reply #6 it should have been Gateshead not Sunderland where Jane Ann was born.
I did find a family who I think are the parents of Jane Ann Jackson. They were Henry Jackson and Barbara Short. Married Gateshead June Q 1868, 10a 869.
Once again to be certain the marriage certificate of William and Jane Ann would prove her father's name.
I was hoping her surname was Allan re a later child of William and Jane Ann, Barbara Allan Readman, 1904.
However once again Posteria was able to help and found a marriage which looks very good.
Jacob Short, father of Barbara Short married Jane Allan 13 Dec 1835 Heworth, Durham. IGI M000982
A further note Jane Annie Jackson was christened 19 Feb 1873, Gateshead to Henry and Barbara (IGI)
Ok I will carry on with the census for Readman for the moment.
Evie
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1881 Census
Living Convalesent Home Cottages, Chaplains House, East Coatham
RG11, 4843, 62, 1
Joseph Readman, 44, Head, Carpenter, Coatham
Mary, Wife, 39, Coatham
William, Son, 10, Scholar, Coatham
Harry, son, 4, Scholar, Coatham
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1871 census
RG10, 4856, 75, 40
Peirson street, Kirkleatham
Joseph, 33, House Carpenter, Marske
Mary, 29, carpenter's wife, East Coatham
John T, 9, son, Scholar, East Coatham
Robert, 6, son, Scholar, East Coatham
William, son, 8 months, East Coatham
1861
Peirson Street, Township of Coatham
RG9, 3653, 20,33
Joseph, 23, Marske, Carpenter
Mary, 19, Coatham
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1851
Living Village, Skelton, Guisborough
HO107, 2375, 111, 9
John Readman, 39, Head, Joiner, Skelton, Yorkshire
Mary, Wife, 35, Marske
Ann, 16, Daug, Marske
Joseph, 13, Son, Joiner (app) , Marske
John, 10, son, scholar, Marske
Thomas, 8, son, scholar, Thornaby
Mary, 6, Skelton
Sarah, 2, Skelton
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this maybe coincidence but I have a sketch of Joseph and it says Died abt 1903 and he was a wood craftsman and the sketch was done by Arthur....
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Hi there
If your line definitely is Joseph READMAN m Mary Dixon then I have Joseph's father as John Readman b1811 in Skelton and his mother as Mary Patton b1816 in Marske in Cleveland. The Pattons were stonemasons in Marske and Coatham so you will find them in local directories
John Readman and Mary Patton were my gggrandparents so your Joseph was the brother of my ggrandfather William Readman b1853 in Skelton
John and Mary had 8 children (incl William and Joseph).
I would be interested to see the sketch you refer to as it would be the earliest image of the Readman side of the family that I know of.
I will dig out what other info I have on my Readmans and the relevant direct ancestors (and descendants) which go back to the mid 1700s and up to the 1950s as far as I recollect
Mike Readman
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Hi Mike
This is really good news for shazjoy. I take it you have the John Readman 1841 census for shazjoy.
Do you have the family of Jane Annie Jackson, if not, that is fine and I will continue on that line.
Evie
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I have the 1841 referred to but not I think Jane Annie Jackson - maybe off my line
Mike
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1891 census
33 Hylton Street Gateshead
RG12, 4183, 63, 34
Elizabeth Jackson, Head, 22, Whitburn, Durham
Jane, 18, Sister, Gateshead
Arthur, 16, Brother, Chemical Labourer, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
Louisa, 13, Sis, Scholar, Gateshead
William, 11, Bro, Scholar, Gateshead
Jessie, 7, Sis, Scholar, Gateshead
Margaret, 5, Sis, Scholar, Gateshead
1881
97 Abbott Street, Gateshead
Rg11, 5037, 131, 41
Henry Jackson, Head, 33, Iron Moulder, Newcastle, Northumberland
Barbara, wife, 32, Whitburn
Elizabeth, 12, scholar, Whitburn
Jane Ann, 8, Scholar, Gateshead
Arthur, 5, Middlesbrough
Louisa, 3, Gateshead
William H, 1, Gateshead
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For some reason I cannot find Henry, Barbara and Elizabeth on the 1871 census.
1861
Whitburn Village
RG09, 3792, 8, 10
Jacob Short, Wid, 54, Blacksmith
George, 22, Blacksmith
James B, 20, Blacksmith apprentice
Jane, 18, Blacksmith's daughter
Margaret, 16, Blacksmith's daughter
Thomas, 14, Blacksmith's apprentice
Barbara, 12, Scholar
Peter Allan, 10, Scholar
Edward A, 8, Scholar
All the family born Whitburn
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1851
Whitburn Village
HO107, 2399, 51, 21
Jacob, 44 Blacksmith
Jane, Wife, 38
Jacob, 14
George, 12
James B, 10, Jane, 8
Margaret, 6
Thomas, 4
Barbara, 2
Peter Allan, 6 months
All born Whitburn
1841
Whitburn Village
HO107, 299, 14, 7, 8, 1
Jacob, 35, Blacksmith
Jane, 30
Jacob, 4
George, 3
James, 1
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Hi Evie and Mike
Just having a quick look before work time. Wow lots of information to sift through, hopefully not busy at work so I can go through it. Thankyou for this, I am so excited you have no idea, I cant wait to start on the other half of the names (Norman) but its going to be just as tough. I have to say without people like you assisting people like me would give up.
thank you again
Shazjoy
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Hi
Looks like Jacob Short was the son of Jacob Short and Barbara Bland. IGI P001281 - extracted record
Jacob - born 17 Jun 1806, christened 24 Aug 1806, Whitburn
Siblings found
Jane - b. 3 Dec 1803, c. 1 Jan 1804, Whitburn
William - b. 15 Jun 1809, c. 24 Dec 1809, Whitburn
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Just a quick suggestion; - when looking further back than the records you already have, try to think laterally about the spelling of the name ... because "Readman" is one of the alternatives I've already found for the Redmaynes in my tree (they were Lancashire/Yorkshire). Others were Redmain, Redman, Redmon, Reidmon, Readmyne, Reedmayne ... the list seems to go on and on!
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I agree Deb, variations of spelling must be considered.
As Elizabeth and her siblings were living alone in 1891 I wondered where their parents were.
Barbara Jackson looks as though she may have died approx age 38 in 1886 Gateshead district, 10a 453
Couldn't find a suitable death for Henry but found a prisioner at Durham, Elvetham who was a widower aged 44 from Newcastle, occupation machine Castings Moulder. RG12, 4102, 124, 5.
In 1901 Henry appears for definite, remarried
RG13, 4755, 141, 34
3 Brunswick Terrace, Gateshead
Henry, 52, Head, Newcastle, Iron Moulder
Elizabeth, 51, Wife, Durham
Maggie, 17, Daug, Gateshead
Jessie, 20, Daug, Gateshead, Nail Factory Machinist
Lily Jackson, 14, Daug, Gateshead
In fact Lily was his step daughter. Henry I believe married Elizabeth Wight (White) (this is her married name not maiden name) 1894 Gateshead who was a widow in the 1891 census living with Lily.
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wow a prisoner, I wonder??? that would be interesting for me since its my line of work..... I am going through all the info this weekend now I have some space. I was hoping to hear back from Nike but not as yet, I hope I havent scared you Mike.
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Hi Sharon
You haven't scared me off - you should see some of my other ancestors! I sent you an email yesterday.
Mike
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Hello my name is Jaime and i am doing the family tree for my boyfriend and it seems he is related to these Readman.
Joseph and Mary Dixon son Robert married Mary Jane Chipchase which is me boyfriends Half Great- Grand Aunt. Her father was Robert Chipchase b.1848.
Mary has the same father (but different mother) as my boyfriend Great- Grandfather Robert Charles Chipchase