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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: revmother2 on Friday 30 July 10 11:30 BST (UK)
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ann hill married Charles Blower c1834 in Hinckley.
his dates were bpt Hinckley 29 april 1812 - died Hinckley 1st q 1873.
Ann b 1810-12, d Hinckley 2nd q 1901.
I know her mother was Elizabeth b Hinckley(probably) c1769, was living in 1851 aged 82), prob died Hinckley 1stq 1854 (NOt Stoke Golding)
Mr Hill b c 1770 died before 1851.
this is my mtDNA line, so I'm keen to find out more about Mrs Elizabeth Hill - ie her maiden name. So if anyone can find a date reference for Ann Hill's birth I can get her birth certificate.
thank you so much
revmother
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I havent followed the line at all as yet.. but I have a Hannah Blower b1759 married to a Thomas Argyle in my tree.... from around the same area
xin
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Hi xin
All my lot are/were Hinckley (some still there). Hill seems to be a very common name at that time.
Thanks
revmother
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ok
mine did move into Hinckley.. so there may be just one gene connected...
xin
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maybe - who knows :)
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You won't be able to get a birth cert for someone born around 1812, surely?
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Thats not the kind of news I'm needing!
Where do I go from here then?
revmother
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In the 1851 Census Elizabeth Hill is down as a Visitor. I would not take it for granted she is Anns Mother as she could be an Aunt or Grandmother.
She would be in her 40's at least when Ann was born so not impossible to be her Mother, but also old enough to be her Grandmother or Aunt.
Familysearch Pilot has a Ann HILL, Christened 7 September 1811, The Great Meeting/Presbyterian, Hinckley, Leics
Parents THOMAS and CATHERINE
Have you been able to find Charles Marriage or Childrens Christenings ( I have had no luck with my limited resources)
Did you get the maiden name Hill for Ann from one of the Childrens Birth Certs?
Trish :)
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Greeting’s Again. …Rev’d Mother………
Sorry I have to admit I’m struggling on this one for you……. :(
Even with my usual box of tricks. ……… :'(
It’s the “ Needle in a Haystack “ I’m afraid…….
I Can confirm the Following though. :~
MARRIAGE.:~ 1834. ( No Dates found….Yet. )
Charles Blower. ~ Ann Hill
Hinckley.
By Banns.
But I can put a bit more meat on the bone regarding the Burials :~
1857.
St: Mary’s Parish Church. Hinckley.
Parish Burial Register No’. 2188.
Elizabeth Hill.
Abode. …..Hinckley.
11th. September.
Aged. …..86.
1873.
Ashby Road Civic Cemetery Hinckley.
Burial. Register. No’. 2428.
Charles Blower.
Abode. …Hinckley.
16th. February.
Aged. …..62.
1901.
Ashby Road Civic Cemetery. Hinckley.
Burial Register No’. 7295.
Ann Blower.
Abode. …..Hinckley.
26th. April.
Aged. …..89.
MIKE. ….. ;)
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Hi Mike - hope you are well.
My brother (now the keeper of the trees) says
I think 'Trish' is probably on the mark. I (perhaps we) have been Assuming she was Ann Hill because we took Elizabeth to be the mother. We haven't actually got a baptism record or a marriage certificate to prove that she was Ann Hill. It has come about because of what I mentioned before - there are several strands of our family on this one 1851 census sheet, because the Elizabeth Blower living next door with the Jenningses definitely IS the mother of Charles Blower and Elizabeth Jennings, (and the census calls her 'mother') - and there is one of our Growdridges up at the top as well in house next to that - so they were all rubbing shoulders long before the families were intermarried. So I suppose we have guessed and maybe guessed wrongly. This means that Ann might not be Ann HILL at all. However if there IS one (as Trish has got it, and Independent Presbyterian sounds about right) then she is at least a strong candidate - and therefore v useful to have the parent names. We really are very short of records and have been going on the census rather too 'bravely' Keep at it I think your friends may help to unpick this mystery. Sorry to set a false trail, but if it leads to the right one it won't all be in vain.
So maybe we have to rethink this one a bit.
My brain can't cope with all this!
revmother
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Greeting’s Again. Rev’d Mother.
I too believe Trish may be on the right track……..
When you look at the Christian names of the children on that 1851 Census return
Knowing how there was strict rota in naming children back then
The eldest Child is named........ Catherine…….
MIKE. …..
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Hi Revmother,
Please dont go into a panic!
You are definitely on the right track up to the Marriage of Charles and Ann.
What we know thanks to Mike;
Charles BLOWER Married Ann HILL 1834, Hinkley
Deaths of CHARLES and ANN and their ages at Burial
Death/Burial of Elizabeth HILL and age at Burial (unknown at this stage if she is Anns Mother or how she is related)
Possible Christening of Ann HILL 1811 to THOMAS and CATHERINE
( If this is correct Thomas may be Elizabeths Son)
So if I have this right the Elizabeth BLOWER age 71 living with the Jennings is the Mother of Charles Blower and Elizabeth Jennings?
Trish :)
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We have been unable to find any of them in the 1841 Census. Is that correct?
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Hi,
1841 census
Grove Street, Hinckley
Elizabeth Blower, 55, Stockingmaker, y
with James 30, John 25, Catharine 20, & Samuel Blower 20: and Jane Alsop 73.
This we take to be Elizabeth (Hancock) who married David Blower, Hinckley 2 Oct 1803, mother of Elizabeth (later Jennings) (b 10 Mar 1806, bp Wesleyan 17 Apr 1808), Ann (bp 12 Nov 1809 St Mary's), (James c 1810), John bp 28 Dec 1812, Catherine bp 1 Jan 1816, Samuel (bp 14 April 1819) and CHARLES (bp 29 Apr 1812). Don't know who Jane is just now. David absent or decd.
Meanwhile
1841 Spring Gardens Hinckley
Ann Blower, 30, stockingmaker, y,
with Ann 4, William 2, Mary 2 months.
This we take to be Ann (?Hill) wife of Charles Blower with Catherine (1835) absent but the next three sprogs present. Charles junr dies in 1843, but Ann junr later marries Jesse Growdridge and becomes ancestor of revmother and myself....
Ann's husband Charles (aged 39) and daughter Catherine have reappeared and they have all moved into Grove Street in time for 1851 census, now with Elizabeth Hill in residence with them, and Elizabeth Blower next door with Elizabeth Jennings & co. Hence the assumption, evidently hasty, that E Hill must have been mother in law!
'Blower' is pronounced (and occasionally written) 'Bloor'.
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PS I have a note of the marriage of John Jennings to Elizabeth Blower at Hinckley, 16 Feb 1830. St Mary's.
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I love your sense of humour ;D
I havent heard the term "sproggs" since my Hippy days!
Yes, I had found all that also and agree that it looks reasonably good.
I spent a lot of time going through the Hinckley 1841 Census page by page.
Trish :)
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I would be getting Elizabeth Hills Death Cert if I was you.
You never know what invaluable info it contains.
Eg Jane Purdy , my G/G/Grandma died 1850 aged 84 in Morpeth, Northumberland. I had only found her on the 1841 census born Scotland c 1766.
Her Death Cert revealed she was the Widow of Robert Purdy, Weaver of Chirnside, Berwickshire, Scotland.
That enabled me to go back another generation.
Trish :)
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Thanks Trish
I wish there was an easier way of searching the census by address rather than by person - might then discover some of those gaping holes which seem to occur where whole communities fizzle off the map for a decade or two and just as mysteriously reappear later on - ! ::)
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I totally agree ::)
I am working my way through Hill Marriages c 1790-1811 at the moment;
There is this one so far;
RICHARD Hill to Elizabeth SUFFOLK, 09 July 1799, St Mary, Hinckley, Leics
I will keep plodding along but really think you need the Death Cert ;)
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Hi folks
Thank you everybody for your help. Just discovered that Mercian is brother to revmother! I didn't know he was on here!
I think I shall set the topic as completed. thanks again
revmother
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Hi folks
Just got a birth certificate today - for a daughter - Eliza - of Charles Blower and Ann formerly HILL! so there we have proof!
Brother Mercian is pretty sure Ann is the daughter of Thomas and Catherine.
He has found 8 children for them, all but 1 baptised at the Great Meeting (Presbyterian) Hinckley.
Catherine's maiden name appears to be RIVETT, Mercian has found a marriage of Thomas Hill to a Katherine Rivett at Burbage on boxing day 1785.
Thats us beginning to crack this line at long last.
Do you folk have anymore ideas on this topic?
Thanks for all your help
revmother
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Hi
mercian has been doing his stuff! This is what he has found:
Thomas Rivett, b. c 1670, had the following children in Hinckley:
*James, 4 Aug 1694
*Elizabeth, 8 Dec 1696
*Dorothy, 22 Oct 1699
*Thomas, 12 July 1702
*Robert, 3 June 1705
*Ann, 15 Feb 1707
*Winefrid, 31 Aug 1711
*Jane, 8 Aug 1714
*Mary, 7 Apr 1718
Of these, Robert is probably the same Robert Rivett who married Ann Everet at Burbage on 11 Oct 1725. They had in Burbage:
*John, bp 30 June 1726, d 13 May 1731
*Sarah, bp 12 Feb 1728, d 28 Mar 1729
*Michael, bp 26 July 1730
*Sarah, bp 7 May 1732
*William, bp 13 Apr 1735
*Martha, bp 12 jan 1738, d 15 Nov 1742
*John, bp 10 Apr 1742, d 28 Apr 1742
*Jonathan, bp 20 Jan 1743
*Robert, bp 10 Apr 1748
Of these, Michael is probably the Michael Rivett who married Sarah Woodcock at Burbage on 30 June 1752. They had in Burbage:
*Sarah, bp 14 Nov 1753
*John, bp 8 Oct 1755
*Joseph, bp 18 Dec 1757
*Sarah, bp 14 Aug 1763
*Cattearn, bp 29 Nov 1767
*Martha, bp 25 Mar 1770
*Michael, bp 16 Aug 1772, d 8 Jan 1773
*Michael, bp 7 Apr 1776
At this stage the spellings in the Burbage register are extremely eccentric. Cattearn 1767 is probably the Kitty or Katherine or Catherine Rivett who married Thomas Hill on Boxing Day 1785.
Thats the Thomas and Catherine that have been mentioned before!!
revmother