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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: AlisonT on Thursday 29 July 10 14:50 BST (UK)
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All I know of Mary Ann McNea is that, in the 1881 Census she is ?30 years old, married to Edward FRYD (aged 36) and states that she was born in Belfast. Her first of the seven children named , Emil McNea FRYD was also born in Belfast. She "got married in the Falls Road" so the family story goes. Any help would be appreciated.
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All I know of Mary Ann McNea is that, in the 1881 Census she is ?30 years old, married to Edward FRYD (aged 36) and states that she was born in Belfast. Her first of the seven children named , Emil McNea FRYD was also born in Belfast. She "got married in the Falls Road" so the family story goes. Any help would be appreciated.
Carl Edward Fryer married Mary Ann McNea 28th July 1869 at Saint Mary's Church of Ireland, in the parish of Shankill, Belfast.
will look for more info....
A male child was born to this couple on 15th July 1870 in Belfast No3 district..
Father's name recorded as Carl Edward Fryd, mother as Mary Ann McNea. There is no Chriistian name recorded for the child.
Further info. A Florence M M Fryd was born to this couple in 1871. The details can be purchased from www.ancestryireland.co.uk if required. Florence Mary Margaret Fryd died in 1871.Details again available from mentioned website.
OTTO
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Thanks for that , Otto. Any information as to Mary Ann's birth date and thence who her parents and ? siblings were would also be a great help.
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Mrs Mary FRYD appears as a sister to my great grandfather Walter Hunter MCNEA (b1861). Her name appears in the Brothers and Sisters section of the 'Family History' on a 1902 medical file for him. I thought I had the details of all his brothers and sisters from a parish register research done over 20 years ago. But this medical document also shows a further brother - William Gibson MCNEA to add to the list. I had a quick look on the Irish History Foundation website and a Mary Ann McNEA married in 1869 and her father's name is James McNea. But to be absolutely certain you need to get hold of a copy of her marriage certificate. My Great Great Grandfather was James MCNEA, an Architect and his wife was Margaret Hunter. Once you have a copy of the certificate, let me know and I will send you a list of the other brothers and sisters.
As an aside, when researching MCNEAs in the London Gazette, I came across Emil McNea Fryd - if you haven't seen this already, just google London Gazette and do a search.
I have only just registered on this site in order to answer your query so not sure about the etiquette etc about further info. I see Otto has posted, if he reads this I hope he will let me know.
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Mary Ann McNea - I did post a summary but being new to the system did not hit the reply button, however we share the same g-grandmother along with many others; she had ten children!
Mary Ann was born in Belfast in 1847 and died in West Ham in 1925. She maried Carl Edward Fryd in Dublin where her first child Emil was born in 1870. Later they lived in Heaton Chapel, Cheshire where Carl Edward is listed as a Provision Merchant and Agent. Later she lived in Prittlewell at 'Elsinore' in Hamlet Court Road, Now part of Southend on Sea. Her other children were Wilhelmina 1872, Edward 1873, Blanche 1874, Frederick 1876, Walter 1878 - 1956, Clarice 1880, Alex 1883, Herbert 1884, Ernest 1887. Carl Edward Fryd died in 1891.
I would be interested in any information relating to Mary Ann's parents or siblings.
I hope this is of help
Mickshobby
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Thanks to both Susan and Mick for posts. Frederick 1876 was my grandfather. My daughter has just produced the 97th descendant of Frederick and Lavinia.
I am also new to this site, so not sure of the protocol. May I ask your sources for the information you, and Otto have provided so I can obtain it/them for myself? My sister lives in UK but I'm downunder!
Regards, Alison
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AlisonT
Glad to have been of help. My sources were a genealogical chart prepared in1970 by Bodil Fryd and her father that covers the Danish Family back to 1670. My great-aunt Clarice provided Bodil with the much of the information regarding her siblings. This was confirmed where it directly related to my line of descent by my Aunt Madge. I put it all aside for about 20 years as I was working abroad.
My children insisted that I should dig further as the family was awash with various legends and tall stories, this had much to do, according to my father, with our 'Irish side' and the Irish love of a good yarn. Some tales I have discovered to be founded on fact!
The increased access to digitised information has helped as I have been able to access Danish records as well as the Census information up to 1911. Records of Births, Marriages and Deaths enabled me to verify much of my direct interest. For some reason I was aware that Frederick's wife was named Lavinia, but know little about any other descendants of Mary Ann other than Walter's descendants of which at my last estimate total only 16. One of Mary Ann's children emigrated to Canada where I had a very brief contact, through business, with the wife of one of his sons who had a typing agency. I believe another emigrated to New Zealand just after or before WW1, but have been unable to verify this.
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Alison and Mick - thank you for the info. I am in the process of updating my file on James McNea and children with the info I have found out recently. I hope to load it onto this post sometime today. All my sources are Ulster Historical Society searches done for my parents 30+ years ago - file no longer held by them. Also birth/marriage/death certificates to ensure that they were of the same family and not cousins! Some details appear in Census.
But especially for you Alison 'down under', google Wm Gibson McNea Apprentice 17 and you will see him appear on an 1877 passenger list from London to Sydney. Also on Ancestry it shows an entry for an assisted passage to NSW. I don't have a subscription to Ancestry so will have to wait till I visit the library next week to take a look.
Till then, kind regards Sue
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Susan
Many thanks for the information it has filled some gaps. It helps to establish Mary Ann's position in the family history.
Oddly, although in my parent's generation there were many jokes about our 'Irish' heritage, particularly a tendency to improve an already good story, Mary Ann, my father's grandmother was described as a Scot. I was therefore surprised to discover from the 1901 Census that she was from Belfast. The confusion was further emphasised because my grandmother's sister married an Irish schoolmaster whose family originally came from Waterford. Of course, no genetic connection, although the sisters were very close and he did have a great influence on my parent's generation.
Fairly obviously Mary Ann McNea from Ulster would have been what in the US would be described as Scot-Irish and the Scot part came down to my generation, but not the Irish.
Thanks again, Mick
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As promised, here are details of James MCNEA and his wife Margaret HUNTER. I had hoped to do a copy of a file I have but have been forced to re-type the main details, which exclude specific sources but you can find them from the website info I have given you.
Anything which I haven't made clear, please contact me.
James MCNEA and Margaret HUNTER
Margaret HUNTER
Birth: 1819? Ireland (source 1845 marriage – ‘age 26’, death certificate ‘age 64’ b.1828)
Father: James HUNTER (see note below)
Death: 17 Nov 1892, Bootle, Lancashire (source Death Certificate)
Marriage: 10 Jun 1845, St Annes, Belfast to James MCNEA, Architect (Ulster Historical Foundation (UHF)
Children:
Mary Ann MCNEA (1850-1925)
Elizabeth Grace MCNEA (1850- 29 Aug 1926 Lancs)
Margaret MCNEA (*24 Nov 1850 – still alive 1911 Ireland census)
James Alexander McNEA (*29 May 1853 – ? received WW1 Merchant Seaman’s Medal)
Harriet Jane “Hattie” MCNEA (*26 Aug 1857 – 24 Aug 1935, Southport, Lancs)
William Gibson MCNEA (1858 –
Walter Hunter MCNEA ( *13 Dec 1861 – 15 Dec 1902, Winwick, Lancs)
Clara Maude Maud MCNEA (*17 Feb 1865 – 24 Nov 1944 Southport, Lancs)
Notes:
Marriage details:Margaret HUNTER’s father is shown as James HUNTER, occupation Clerk to the Manor Court. Witnesses at her wedding were Thomas HUNTER and William HUNTER – were they her brothers/uncles? An 1843 List of Petty Sessions for County Down shows place where held: Hillsborough, Clerk : J & JW Hunter
20 Sept 1875 St James Church of Ireland, Shankhill, Belfast - Margaret MCNEA (b1850) married William NASH (1821- 28 Nov 1929, Great Crosby, nr Liverpool, Lancs) (source Marriage/Death Cert). The 1901, 1911 Ireland Census shows they did not have children.
13 May 1894 St Mary’s Kirkdale, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool – Walter H MCNEA married Mary Robina ROUTLEDGE. They had a son, Walter Hunter MCNEA b 1895 Liverpool. (source Marriage, Death Certs, UHF report)
Mary Ann MCNEA – WH Mcnea’s 1902 medical records showed Mrs Fryd had 9 children. Thinking that sadly one had died, I checked the freebmd website and found that Alexander and Herbert were one and the same person.
Elizabeth Grace MCNEA – her death certificate describes her as ‘spinster daughter of James McNea, an architect’.
The sources for the *births in Belfast are from the baptism parish registers of Shankhill Parish Belfast, St Annes Church of Ireland 1824-66 (UHF report). The details of deaths are from the death certificates I obtained. As far as I can see, only Mary and Walter had children. Hattie and Grace and Clara Maud all have ‘daughter of James McNea Architect’ on their death certificates. Walter has ‘Father - James McNea Architect’ on the marriage certificate, so I know I have got the right family and not cousins.
William Gibson MCNEA – he is named on the 1902 medical file of WH McNEA (b.1861) as one of his siblings. Mary Anne MCNEA is shown as Mrs Mary Fryd on the same document.
James MCNEA
Birth:.1815 – age 30 years at time of marriage to Margaret HUNTER in 1845
Father: James MCNEA, Farmer (according to James McNEA’s marriage certificate)
Marriage & Children: see details for Margaret HUNTER
Occupation: Architect: see also website of Irish Architects, Irish Architectural Archive for descriptions of building he undertook.
Further info on addresses in Belfast, business and residential on lennonwylie website (ctrl F search McNea)
First appears in England Lancashire Census in 1891 as do the spinster daughters.
Death: 5 Jan 1896, Crosby, Lancs. Buried in Anfield Cemetery, Liverpool. Family members also in same plot include Margaret (wife) and daughters Eliz. Hatti and Maud. Also Henry Nash and Margaret Nash, although the description on the death certificate I have for Margaret Nash shows her more likely to be Henry’s sister than his wife Margaret (nee McNea).
Sorry if it is all scrunched up, wasn't when I typed it!
Rgards Sue
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Margaret Hunter (b1819)
Info that may be helpful in going back further in search of forbears of Margaret HUNTER (b. 1819)
You'll have to delete the 'Grand' and insert 'brothers and sisters' for Aunts and Uncles!
The 1902 Medical record of her son Walter H McNEA (1861-1902) gave the following information:
Family History
Maternal Grandfather: died age 80 years, cayse if death - old age
Maternal Grandmother: died age 70 years, cause of death
Maternal Uncles and Aunts: 12 in the family, all died between ages of 60 and 80. They went to America.
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James MCNEA, Architect (b. 1815)
Info that may help in search of forbears of James McNea.
You'll have to delete 'Grand', also exchange 'brothers' and 'sisters' for aunts and uncles!
The 1902 medical history of his son, Walter H McNEA (1861-1902), gave the following information:
Family History section:
Paternal Grandfather: died age 30 years, cause of death - fever
Paternal Grandmother: died age 90 years, cause of death - old age
Paternal Uncles: died - one aged 70 years, one aged 72 years
Paternal Aunt: died age 70 years
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I clicked 'post' instead of 'reply' so if my info on James MCNEA and Margaret HUNTER can't be read, please shout!
susan
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Just been doing a bit of FRYD family research and saw you're grandfather was Frederick (b. 1876). He's also my husband's great-grandfather (via Charles F M Fryd b. 1907). Just wondering what line you decend from.
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Hi Susan and Mick, and now Diane?
I haven't been able to get on with Family History for some while, but thought I must check here in Roots Chat, and what do I find? All this marvelous info. Many many thanks. If you need any details on the now 98 descendants of my grandparents Frederick William Fryd and Lavinia Mary Bishop, please let me know. I will try to attach a photo of supposedly Mary Anne McNea Fryd when I learn how!
Alison
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Would love to see a photo. Good to find some other Fryd family out there.
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Hi Diane,
I suspect you are married to Jonathon, who is the son of my oldest cousin, Richard. My sister is Rachel, who also has old family photos, and it might be easier for you to get copies from her. Glad someone else in the family appears to be interested in Family History.
Hi Susan, yes I verified that my Mary Ann McNea m. Carl Edward FRYD and her father was James McNea, so she "fits"
Hi Mike, I think I know where you fit into the FRYD tree too. I visited Aunt Clarice many years ago and she helped with information about her siblings.
I will check out any Aussie connections ie William Gibson McNea, did he stay here I wonder? Didn't one of Aunt Clarices sons go to live in New Zealand?
Regards Alison